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Will the books.Logos.com subscription be folded into this? How about future updates to FSB? I see both of these included in "Logos Now" as a good way to offer continuing marketing them.
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Nathan Parker said:
Will the books.Logos.com subscription be folded into this?
We thought about that, but we wanted to make sure it didn't overlap with Logos 6 base packages initially. It's an ideal kind of thing to include. It's likely that it will get added to Now eventually.
Nathan Parker said:How about future updates to FSB?
No plans for FSB, since it's still free.
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JH said:
For which books of the OT have the Propositional Bible Outlines been completed?
- Genesis
- Exodus
- Leviticus
- Numbers
- Ruth
- Esther
- Obadiah
- Jonah
JH said:Is there a timeline for the remainder?
No official timeline, but we plan to release regular updates—maybe in conjunction with each release—until they're finished.
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Phil Gons said:Nathan Parker said:
Will the books.Logos.com subscription be folded into this?
We thought about that, but we wanted to make sure it didn't overlap with Logos 6 base packages initially. It's an ideal kind of thing to include. It's likely that it will get added to Now eventually.
Nathan Parker said:How about future updates to FSB?
No plans for FSB, since it's still free.
Sounds good. We L6 base package owners are set for now, but about the time it "expires", adding it to Logos Now would be a great way to continue accessing it.
Sounds good about FSB still being free for now. I'll encourage more people to signup for Faithlife and use it.
Sounds good about the Chrome app as well. I'll be looking for it.
I would love to see this included in Logos Now (although the subscription price would probably have to go up). :-)
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I will really need to think about subscribing to Logos Now.
I don't think I have any need for additional tools, I don't mind waiting for the release of new features via Logos 7 and I'm happy with the cost of material (especially in the Sales that aren't March Madness).
However... I really really want access to the new web app. I've been eagerly awaiting an update to Biblia because I'd like to be able to access my notes from a desktop computer that doesn't have Logos installed on it. It would be very handy to have some kind of preview of the new (beta) app, or for somebody who has started paying for Logos Now to let us all know what features it contains.
I think I will wait until the annual $89 subscription is announced, as that will reduce the fee to $7.41 per month, which is quite small. On the other hand, I've a payment plan to pay off a pretty hefty base package (plus additional commentaries) which means my monthly payments are really high as things stand. And then there's that list of pre-pubs and community priced things that haven't yet reached pre-pub...
The one thing that would make me sign up to Logos Now immediately (and, indeed, to even pay a higher subscription) would be were it to offer a fuller range of completely up to date academic journals. Just saying. [:D]
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$9 a month for new cool features in Logos doesn't seem much at all, and I'm speaking as a poor missionary.
My question as a systematic theologian is: does it have any features that will benefit me? As it is I don't use 90% of the search & Bible study features I've gotten from L4-6, and I don't particularly feel the need for more. What I do use are the many specific resources related to my field. Does Logos Now have anything to offer in that direction, or will it in the future?
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing users' experiences and feedback about this service over the coming months.
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JH said:Bruce Dunning said:
Logos Now just gives us early access to the features which will be available for ownership at a later time with a new version.
That's not exactly what Phil said. He said it is "likely that some" of the Now features may make it into the desktop version, but nothing has been decided.
He also said that "Features that are code only and have no content dependencies will eventually be made part of the free core engine". The Logos Now page makes a distinction between "Features" and other things like datasets, media and so on. The features will make it into the standard Logos, the datasets and media may do so. (And, if I had to guess, I'd say the datasets will make it into L7 base packages, but the media may not, as it's served online.)
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Into Grace said:
A required monthly fee to have the latest robust software from Logos may backfire and alienate many.
Just to be clear, Phil has said:
Phil Gons said:Logos 6 users will continue to receive free updates to their software: bug fixes, performance enhancements, improvements to existing features, and updates to their resources, datasets, media collections, and interactives. Logos Now subscribers, in addition to these things, will receive access to a variety of new categories of ever-growing content—datasets, media collections, and interactives—as well as early access to new features.
In other words, you don't have to pay a monthly fee to have the latest robust software. All users will continue to get free software updates.
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Mark Smith said:
Into Grace said:A required monthly fee to have the latest robust software from Logos may backfire and alienate many.
The alternative is 'wait 2-3 years for the next major release of the software' to have the most robust software. There wasn't another option as far as I know.
What I see is Faithlife offering to let us get early use of tools and data sets as they are developed. They benefit by having a more level income stream that helps them keep developing tools and data, and users get the benefit of not waiting 2-3 years to use it. It remains to be seen if users will see the value and want to part with the money to get the benefit offered for their side of the transaction.
Mark,while this response makes the most sense to me financially speaking from everything I've read about Logos Now online so far, my problem is that we're paying about $200-$300 every 2-3 years to get the latest, cool Logos functionality, media, etc.; yet after that 2-3 years we're still going to have to pay the upgrade fee if we want some of that functionality and those resources to become a permanent part of our Logos/Faithlife library.
I love my Logos Bible Software and have always been a huge proponent of it. But the only way that paying for this makes sense to me, is if the Web App remained a permanent and free part of it, having access to my full Logos library of resources, and with much of the desktop app's functionality (which it currently does not appear to have). I can see paying 9 bucks (seriously guys, who are we fooling with $8.99/mo) a month for web access to a decent portion of my desktop software's functionality and resources. I would look at the "early access" stuff as bonus material.
So maybe Now should be marked more as an incredible new web app. that can do much of what your desktop software can do with access to your entire Logos library instead (with a bonus of all the cool new functionality and resources). Pitch that and I think there may be more bites. Faithlife already gives so much awesome stuff with the desktop version that I would have no problem seeing them want to charge for a web app that can do most of what my desktop app can do and I would be happy to pay for it (both to have the functionality and to see Faithlife have a more consistent revenue stream).
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I know the mantra of the day is "to be or not to be." But let's just say "be" is a given. My question is with all this new functionality is there a "value" oriented affordable way of receiving training to accommodate these features.
The current high priced method needs to change imho. And the release pace needs to match the release pace of the new features.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Another user -- the type who uses Pandora or Spotify instead of buying albums, who watches Netflix instead of buying DVDs, and who uses Google Docs instead of Microsoft Word -- wants everything online, in the cloud, accessible with a simple log-in from whatever device they happen to be using.
Here's the problem with that analogy: I can get the same thing in a "to own" format as in a "to rent" format for all of the examples you listed. CDs, DVDs, etc. -or- streaming. With Logos Now, that is not true. I would happily pay to own several of the new functional features / datasets in Logos Now, but that is not an option.
Here is a functional question: If I purchase a Logos Now subscription and want to use one of the subscription-only features, can I do so if I am not on the internet and/or my internet connection is down? Correspondingly do those features require internet connectivity for licensing (every time they're used), for actual functionality (i.e. the function resides in the cloud), or both?
Thanks,
Donnie
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Mark Davis said:
while this response makes the most sense to me financially speaking from everything I've read about Logos Now online so far, my problem is that we're paying about $200-$300 every 2-3 years to get the latest, cool Logos functionality, media, etc.; yet after that 2-3 years we're still going to have to pay the upgrade fee if we want some of that functionality and those resources to become a permanent part of our Logos/Faithlife library.
I hear you and I think it is a very legitimate concern. I am a supporter of having a portion of what I spend on Logos NOW go toward the upgrade cost of the next version. I know Faithlife is thinking about this, but it would be helpful if they would get specific and make a commitment.
Mark Davis said:So maybe Now should be marked more as an incredible new web app. that can do much of what your desktop software can do with access to your entire Logos library instead (with a bonus of all the cool new functionality and resources).
From what Bob said they are a long way from having a web app that is on a par with the desktop app. I think if they had that it would 'sell' very well as a rental tool either along with some rental content or as an adjunct to owned resources.
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I am going to try it out ... it all sounds like a great deal for nine bucks per month. I envision my most valued/go-to/reference type works as my download library and the occasional-use resources as cloud based. Works for me.
Plus, I am sure that if enough people sign up, it will have the very beneficial effect of smoothing out the revenue flow for FaithLife (which will mean better service and better development of products for end users).Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Donnie Hale said:
Here is a functional question: If I purchase a Logos Now subscription and want to use one of the subscription-only features, can I do so if I am not on the internet and/or my internet connection is down?
Donnie,
Of the following:
What does the first release include?
- Old Testament Propositional Bible Outlines (dataset)
- Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset)
- Commandments of the Law (interactive)
- Visual Copy Templates (media)
- Author Slide Templates (media)
- Logos Stock Images, vol. 2 (media)
- Media Browser (tool)
- Concordance (tool)
- Access to the beta of the Logos web app
numbers 1-3 and 8 work offline. Numbers 4-7 are online only. Obviously number 9 is online only.
I don't know how Faithlife handles the licenses. I do know I can go offline and access 1-3 and 8.
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What's the difference between Logos Now & Verbum Now? Will they diverge?
How does the release of any new software features interact with the open betas?
I'm still not clear on the path to ownership for those datasets that are not online only...
I appreciate the discussion. Some of it is becoming clearer.
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Donnie Hale said:
Here's the problem with that analogy: I can get the same thing in a "to own" format as in a "to rent" format for all of the examples you listed. CDs, DVDs, etc. -or- streaming. With Logos Now, that is not true. I would happily pay to own several of the new functional features / datasets in Logos Now, but that is not an option.
That's not quite true. There are a few original programmes that were initially only available to stream via Netflix or Amazon Prime, such as Orange is the New Black, Arrested Development, and House of Cards.
But, generally, you're right — and I would also much prefer that the new datasets were available to purchase. (Although, truthfully, I probably wouldn't purchase them, but I'd feel better knowing that I could [:)]).
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I totally don't understand this. So far I always thought that I was paying for content not apps. I've been really keen to see more of the logos features available online - call it a website or a web app I'm not sure why it is free to download and use an iPad app or the desktop app but $8.99 a month to get the same online.
If the new content were available to purchase as part of a base package I'd buy the content but I don't like the idea of not owning stuff which I'm paying for. I'm especially nervous about the idea of renting access to the library I purchased in the past even if it is on a new platform. I've been very pleased to see how quickly new platforms like Android were supported. I'm totally cool with the idea of paying for content but not so much the web app at least not on the basis that when I stop paying I loose access.
Please consider bundling the web app with a base package on the same terms as the desktop app ie. continued access.
The distinction between paying for content and trusting that the app will always be free is a very appealing part of logos in comparison to competitors.
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Randy W. Sims said:
How does the release of any new software features interact with the open betas?
The new data and features will not be part of the normal beta process AFAIK. The routine betas for Logos 6 will continue to test improvements to the existing program and any enhancements Faithlife has planned for Logos 6 already.
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John Goodman said:
The distinction between paying for content and trusting that the app will always be free is a very appealing part of logos in comparison to competitors.
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Mark Barnes said:
But, generally, you're right — and I would also much prefer that the new datasets were available to purchase.
Old Testament Propositonal Bible Outline 39.95
Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset 14.95
Commandments of the Law 5.95
Visual Copy Templates 24.95
Author Slide Templates 24.95
Logos Stock Media vol. 24.95
Total cost if purchased seperately: $135.70
Monthly $8.95
No's 7 - 9 of Phil's post seem to be code only which will probably be released in an update of the engine.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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John Goodman said:
I'm not sure why it is free to download and use an iPad app or the desktop app but $8.99 a month to get the same online.
Actually the web app is just a part, perhaps a small part, of Logos NOW. Most of the benefit of Logos NOW is in access to the new features and data sets. So to say you must pay $8.99 a month for this app overlooks the fact that you are getting a lot more than that for the $8.99. (I'd have to have a very special reason to pay that much just for an online app.)
John Goodman said:I'm totally cool with the idea of paying for content but not so much the web app at least not on the basis that when I stop paying I loose access.
Yet the web app has to be paid for all the time by someone, since it requires servers and serving to get it to work. Logos has so far absorbed the cost of that for the existing limited apps. I think Logos is envisioning something far bigger that what the iOS/Android apps currently provide. More data transfer means more cost. Logos is saying, "IF you want that it will cost to get it, and it will cost every month you want to have access to it."
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MJ,
Part of my point is being able to have the option or buying or "renting" and not being forced to "rent" if one wants certain features.
How many of those textbooks do you want to keep? Do you only want a textbook for a semester? What if you decide the textbook is important and have to keep "renting."
If you are only going to be in certain location for a short term period, renting a house instead of buying is probably the way to go.
I do not view Logos as a short term investment to use and get rid or even "flip." Logos is a long term investment.
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Bob,
See my response to MJ.
If you want something for the short term, renting is fine. Is that how I should be viewing my Logos investment? If the answer is "yes," that is troubling to say the least.
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Lynden Williams said:Mark Barnes said:
But, generally, you're right — and I would also much prefer that the new datasets were available to purchase.
Old Testament Propositonal Bible Outline 39.95
Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset 14.95
Commandments of the Law 5.95
Visual Copy Templates 24.95
Author Slide Templates 24.95
Logos Stock Media vol. 24.95
Total cost if purchased seperately: $135.70
Monthly $8.95
No's 7 - 9 of Phil's post seem to be code only which will probably be released in an update of the engine.
I stand corrected. The web price shows the cost (maybe eventual download) but the new content/features cannot be purchased independently of Logos Now.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Mark Johnson said:
I do not view Logos as a short term investment to use and get rid or even "flip." Logos is a long term investment.
I suspect virtually all of Faithlife's current owners have a bias toward owning. That isn't surprising.
I hope that in one form or another Logos NOW will be, at least in part, rent-to-own, that part of the rental fee will apply toward an actual future purchase of the data sets or features.
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Mark Johnson said:
How many of those textbooks do you want to keep? Do you only want a textbook for a semester? What if you decide the textbook is important and have to keep "renting."
Some of the textbooks I wanted to keep and still use 30 years later. Some of them I did not want to keep and gave to students more junior than myself when the occasion arose.. ... But the point is that what you want to simply use for a while and what you want to keep are different groups ... as is illustrated well by the statistics on current textbooks. My almas mater is finding students what to rent electronic copies to have in class ... and either rent or own paper copies to study in the dorm room. The point is that Logos is giving us a rent/buy option ... not forcing either option on us. We still have to see how useful the rent option will be. We know how the buy option works.
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I stand by my comments, look at google play for instance. You can pay for netflix style unlimited music but the songs you buy you own. iTunes also mixes rental and purchase. The website/webapp/app is the same whichever model of payment you choose. I've done bits of both. I'm not against Logos introducing rental. I'm disappointed that it includes improvements to their website and also that it excludes the option to purchase. I've invested huge amounts in Logos and always expected that one day rental would make it seem daft. I've never had a problem with that because I figure A) I'll still own it.
It's the best proposition at the time. C) Needs must I have bible study to do now.All that said, I like the idea of seperation between the software and the content. No need to agree with me but I understand the changes and I'm sorry but I don't really like them. IMHO the rental content could be/should be strong enough to carry its own weight without shackling the content and website together. Also I expect that one day they will be bundling something like my complete library into a rental package - great but at least do dynamic pricing/some kind of special offer for heavy investors so that I don't feel like I totally wasted my cash.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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MJ. Smith said:
Some of the textbooks I wanted to keep and still use...
Me too. I just wish they had been in Logos instead of the "dead tree" variety. [;)]
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John Goodman said:
All that said, I like the idea of seperation between the software and the content.
I agree with you, but a web app isn't software, and we weren't promised a web app when we purchased our base packages. I agree with you about the desire for it to be free, but I also understand that it will cost real money to develop and maintain... money that needs to come from somewhere. I think biblia.com is a good example of what we could expect to get for free... and how quickly it would be developed. I would love to see highlights, notes, guides, etc. on a web app... but I don't think that was going to happen without an inflow of cash. This <hopefully> provides that.
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I should add that I really do think rental is great and should go ahead. The more people who can afford to access these kind of tools and make good use of them the better. I just think there should remain some benefit to buying or having bought.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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alabama24 said:
we weren't promised a web app when we purchased our base packages. I agree with you about the desire for it to be free, but I also understand that it will cost real money to develop and maintain...
Yes but Logos costs money to develop and maintain and if you divide my total spend so far by months then I'm paying considerably more than this rental fee for it to be developed. They fund it out of my book purchases. I doubt I'll kick the habit;) The same is actually true for iTunes etc. I really think they could seperate content from platform even if its a web platform. The server costs for a web platform are probably lower than for me to download 10s of gigabytes of data as a one off? The more platforms the more buyers/renters all the better surely?
I'm not looking for a free ride, I'm looking for an enjoyable one which feels fair. I don't and haven't ever subscribed to a website because it doesn't feel fair. I do buy from Logos because I immensely enjoy using it to study and pray and the pricing feels very fair.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Joseph Turner said:Bob Pritchett said:
Russ (and others),
We have no intention or plan of ending support for the downloadable version. There is a huge, 20+ year investment in the downloadable technology, and it will take years to fully match that functionality on the web. Even then, there will be high value and utility in fast, offline, tech.
There is no plan to end downloadable software. Cloud based access is a complement, not a replacement.
-- Bob
This is comforting!
Most comforting!
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MJ,
You know much more about all things Logos then I do and I think this is my last post about this.
You wrote "The point is that Logos is giving us a rent/buy option." If that is true, I have no problem with and more power to Logos. However, this is not what I understand from this thread. It appears that one must buy a base package (which is not a problem), but that means that it is not a try rent/buy option. Second, there has been no confirmation from Logos in this thread (that I have read) that everything that is available in Logos Now will be available to buy (either now or in the future).
Maybe I just do not understand it correctly or I am missing something.
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Rayner said:
It would be very handy to have some kind of preview of the new (beta) app, or for somebody who has started paying for Logos Now to let us all know what features it contains.
Several people have mentioned this. We'll consider posting screenshots and maybe a demo video. We envisioned the free trial serving this purpose, though.
Right now it's basically Biblia.com with a new user interface that looks pretty similar to the desktop app with a few small tweaks. We've not added much new functionality to it yet. There's another thread about the web app that talks about our tentative plans for adding features.
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I will look into this more.
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John Goodman said:
Yes but Logos costs money to develop and maintain and if you divide my total spend so far by months then I'm paying considerably more than this rental fee for it to be developed. They fund it out of my book purchases.
You may spend way more than I do, but most people spend way more less than I do. I actually don't prefer the "pay for resources, software is free" model (although it currently benefits me)... but that is the model we were promised and are living under.
A few more thoughts:
- A large portion of your "book purchases" are going to the publishers and authors.
- A large portion of the remaining funds goes towards the cost of converting the resource to the Logos format.
- A large portion of Logos users make relatively small purchases. This is especially true with the advent of the mobile apps.
- This is really more of a subscription... I tend to buck against "rentals," but I love Amazon Prime and Netflix!
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Sean said:
My question as a systematic theologian is: does it have any features that will benefit me? As it is I don't use 90% of the search & Bible study features I've gotten from L4-6, and I don't particularly feel the need for more. What I do use are the many specific resources related to my field. Does Logos Now have anything to offer in that direction, or will it in the future?
Great question. As a PhD (ABD) in Theology with a love for systematic and historical theology, I'm passionate about seeing Logos become a better tool for theological study, not just for exegetical study. And I'm happy to report that we have some pretty cool things in the works for future releases that'll be right up your alley. In particular, there's a new guide section aimed at drawing out the riches of your systematics library.
In this release, the Concordance tool may prove useful for you. You can do some neat analysis of Calvin's Institutes, for example, to see what words he uses most in particular sections. A future version of Concordance will allow you to see everything Calvin cited, sorted by frequency. I see Concordance have broad use for exegetes, theologians, historians, and others.
If you have particular feature ideas, I'd love to hear them. Feel free to reach out to me at phil@faithlife.com.
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SHotchkiss said:
I hope they don't get the same books I have paid for included for 8.99 a month but oh well.
Logos Now doesn't really provide access to resources. It isn't a base package rental.
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Mark Davis said:
So maybe Now should be marked more as an incredible new web app. that can do much of what your desktop software can do with access to your entire Logos library instead (with a bonus of all the cool new functionality and resources). Pitch that and I think there may be more bites. Faithlife already gives so much awesome stuff with the desktop version that I would have no problem seeing them want to charge for a web app that can do most of what my desktop app can do and I would be happy to pay for it (both to have the functionality and to see Faithlife have a more consistent revenue stream).
I think we're going to have to present it differently to different users. As you can already see, some are really drawn to things others don't care about. I'm glad you're excited about the web app. I am too. I'm growing increasingly tired of desktop software, the risk of data loss with failing drives, the pain of Windows profiles becoming corrupted and requiring a format and clean install (my latest problem this past weekend!), etc., etc. I'm ready to go all in with the cloud for file storage and app usage. Logos is one of my few remaining apps that keeps me locked to a traditional computer. I'm really close to buying a Chromebook or Chromebox, and having Logos as a web app makes that feasible.
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John Goodman said:
I stand by my comments,
I assure you that the uproar at the added option in the beta forum was far more fractious than the response here - probably because of the average investment amount of the testers. However, in the to-and-fro of between Faithlife and the beta testers, most of us were convinced that it was a useful option that wouldn't make us feel shafted. I think the first real test will be when L7 is released ... how Faithlife insures that both the Logos Now and the purchaser only people feel that they received equal value for their money.
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Two things that would be interesting to see in Logos Now (or a similar subscription service, even if it meant a slightly higher price):
1. Journal updates. While Logos could still sell the big journal bundles for the archives, it'd be great to be able to subscribe to have all the latest journals appear automatically so I never have to worry about topping off my journal collections.
2. After Noet releases Britannica Noet Edition, being able to subscribe to updates to Britannica, as well as having tons of more articles become available as time goes on, would be handy to always have a state-of-the-art encyclopedia inside Logos/Noet.
Nathan Parker
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I also told Bob I'd send him some feedback on subscriptions, and I still plan to do that when I have a free moment. Actually Logos Now is quite low cost compared to what I was going to tell him I was interested in paying. :-)
Nathan Parker
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Beloved said:
I know the mantra of the day is "to be or not to be." But let's just say "be" is a given. My question is with all this new functionality is there a "value" oriented affordable way of receiving training to accommodate these features.
The current high priced method needs to change imho. And the release pace needs to match the release pace of the new features.
We plan to create free training videos and documentation and release them with each new release. Here are some short overview videos for the new Logos Now features, in case you missed them:
- Old Testament Propositional Bible Outlines Dataset
- Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset
- Commandments of the Law Interactive
- Concordance
- Media Browser
We plan to do more videos giving more examples of how to use these new tools and datasets.
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Donnie Hale said:
If I purchase a Logos Now subscription and want to use one of the subscription-only features, can I do so if I am not on the internet and/or my internet connection is down? Correspondingly do those features require internet connectivity for licensing (every time they're used), for actual functionality (i.e. the function resides in the cloud), or both?
It's easy to conflate subscription with web/online access, but it's important to keep them distinct. As I've explained to folks internally, Logos Now requires internet access in much the same ways as Logos 6 does. Some things work offline; others don't. There's nothing unique about Logos Now that makes it more dependent on an internet connection, and that dependency has nothing to do with the fact that it's a subscription and not a purchase/own model.
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Phil Gons said:
I'm growing increasingly tired of desktop software, the risk of data loss with failing drives, the pain of Windows profiles becoming corrupted and requiring a format and clean install (my latest problem this past weekend!), etc., etc. I'm ready to go all in with the cloud for file storage and app usage. Logos is one of my few remaining apps that keeps me locked to a traditional computer. I'm really close to buying a Chromebook or Chromebox, and having Logos as a web app makes that feasible.
Me, too, except I bit the bullet and have a Chromebook Pixel 2 on the way.
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Randy W. Sims said:
What's the difference between Logos Now & Verbum Now? Will they diverge?
Very little now, expect for access to app.verbum.com instead of app.logos.com. They will diverge more in the future.
Randy W. Sims said:How does the release of any new software features interact with the open betas?
We're doing private betas for new Logos Now releases. There may be opportunity for others to participate.
Randy W. Sims said:I'm still not clear on the path to ownership for those datasets that are not online only...
Ownership will be available in the future as part new base packages and crossgrades. Some items will likely be held back for Now (likely, things that are open-ended and ever-growing), but the bulk of things should be ownable at some point.
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Bill Anderson said:Phil Gons said:
I'm growing increasingly tired of desktop software, the risk of data loss with failing drives, the pain of Windows profiles becoming corrupted and requiring a format and clean install (my latest problem this past weekend!), etc., etc. I'm ready to go all in with the cloud for file storage and app usage. Logos is one of my few remaining apps that keeps me locked to a traditional computer. I'm really close to buying a Chromebook or Chromebox, and having Logos as a web app makes that feasible.
Me, too, except I bit the bullet and have a Chromebook Pixel 2 on the way.
Nice! Please let me know how you like it (phil@faithlife.com or philgons@gmail.com). I've been really close several times.
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Phil Gons said:
And I'm happy to report that we have some pretty cool things in the works for future releases that'll be right up your alley. In particular, there's a new guide section aimed at drawing out the riches of your systematics library.
YES! [Y] That will be great!
Logos 10 | Dell Inspiron 7373 | Windows 11 Pro 64, i7, 16GB, SSD | iPhone 13 Pro Max
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I see you have a Verbum Now as well.
It doesn't say the first month is free like Logos Now does. Is that just an oversight or do Verbum users have to pay for the first month?
Never mind! I can't read!
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