Can Resources Download to an SD Card?

Yasmin Stephen
Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

Is it possible for Logos resources to download to an SD card, rather than to the phone's internal storage?

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  • Kevin Byford (Faithlife)
    Kevin Byford (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,309

    Not at this time.

  • Yasmin Stephen
    Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭

    Not at this time.

    Thanks for the reply, Kevin.

  • Sean
    Sean Member Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭

    Curious--I keep seeing this question posted all the time. My phone (on Android Kitkat) has an option to set the primary storage either to the phone's internal space or to the SD card; I choose the latter, and resources download to it just fine. Do not most phones have this feature?

  • Yasmin Stephen
    Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭

    Do not most phones have this feature?

    Thanks for mentioning this; my Logos resources are now loaded on the SD card.

  • Sean
    Sean Member Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭

    Do not most phones have this feature?

    Thanks for mentioning this; my Logos resources are now loaded on the SD card.

    Oh terrific! I can't tell you how happy it makes me to have helped someone with this! [:)]

  • Ste McLean
    Ste McLean Member Posts: 2

    Hi.

    I've been having the same issue with Android KitKat (not able to save resources to SD card) only I'm on a tablet rather than a phone.

    Please can you tell me where you found the setting which sorted the problem? I know I can go into app settings and tell the device to move the app to the SD, and when I do this, the device says that it's been moved, but it hasn't. It only copies some of the app files over; not the resources, they're still on the internal storage.

    Is this an issue which is likely to be resolved when I get the update to Lollipop? Or is there any way that an option can be included in the app itself to specify where content is stored?

    I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help with this.

    Thanks.

  • Edil
    Edil Member Posts: 266 ✭✭

    As I posted in another thread mine is a LG but since it is running 4.4.2 the settings should be very similar. Can you please share how did you set the configuration to use the external card. Another questions? Will that work for apps that will be installed from that point onwards or it will move all apps, even those already installed? Control over what you can move to the SDcard will be preferable since I don't think that is a good idea to move all apps to the external memory.

  • Yasmin Stephen
    Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭

    As I posted in another thread mine is a LG but since it is running 4.4.2 the settings should be very similar. Can you please share how did you set the configuration to use the external card. 

    For me, it was in Settings >>> Storage; there is a section called Default Write Disk, with two options: Internal SD card and External SD card. I chose the latter. (My phone is using JellyBean.)

    Will that work for apps that will be installed from that point onwards or it will move all apps, even those already installed? Control over what you can move to the SDcard will be preferable since I don't think that is a good idea to move all apps to the external memory.

    I have no idea and, for my own purposes, I don't much care. Except for WhatsApp messaging, music and Logos, my phone is mostly just used as a phone.  Hopefully someone with more experience with this will be able to help you there.

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    The problem is that Google stopped giving access to apps to the SD Card in Kitkat and later. Some other apps are finding a way around this, but the Logos app doesn't employ this kind of thing.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • John Whitmire
    John Whitmire Member Posts: 2

    Logos needs to find a way. My phone gives me less than 1.5GB for apps, and Logos is by far the largest consumer of that space. I have loaded only about a dozen apps and cannot add any more because there is not sufficient space.

  • Donovan Neufeldt
    Donovan Neufeldt Member Posts: 8

    Yes, I just figured out how, and I have done it on my phone and tablet, both running kitkat.

    First, you need to root your tablet/phone, there are lots of tutorials on how to do this, and I prefer Odin method with TWRP recovery... works every time.

    If you have a new android device, rooting may void your warranty, so watch out, and do not unplug your device while it is flashing software/rooting, cause that is risky And could cause problems.

    After it's rooted, get the NextApp sdSDFix from the playstore, grant su(superuser) permision, and hit continue. This should make external sd card accessible to your apps.

    Before continuing, download as much of your logos library as you will want and are able to, including big image and video files. Keep going until your internal storage is almost full.

    Then get the foldermount app from the playstore, it is free for use with up to 3 apps, after that it is $1.99 for pro. It will move your app data to the external sd on a separate partition, linking the folders to make your device think it is on internal storage. Open it and grant su permission. Then select apps analyzer. Bible should be at or near the top because there is so much appdata. Select it and then press "create pair". It will then as if you want the destination folder to be created automatically, select yes, then select the check mark on top. It will then move all of your appdata to the SD card, and everything should still work just fine... you may need to log in again, but there should be no issues.

    It is a process, but worth it in my opinion.

  • Kevin Byford (Faithlife)
    Kevin Byford (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,309

    First, you need to root your tablet/phone

    FYI, Faithlife doesn't support rooted devices.

  • Donovan Neufeldt
    Donovan Neufeldt Member Posts: 8

    If Faithlife does not support rooted devices, it should support storing appdata on sd cards (like audible). I would not have rooted if I had that option, but logos was using abut 10 gb of my internal memory. I looked in settings, and searched high and low to find out how to set logos to store on exterm a microsd.

    Just put an option in settings: default download location, with the option to save to external sd.

    All logos resources are drm protected anyways, so they cacan't be used by other people no matter what. After spending thousands on logos, I'd like access the resources when I don't have wifi.

    The only reason people do the hard way is because there is no easy way.

  • Donovan Neufeldt
    Donovan Neufeldt Member Posts: 8

    If I wanted big brother controlling evrything, and if I wanted no expandable memory, and if wanted to pay twice as much, I would have gone with apple.

  • AJ Shortley
    AJ Shortley Member Posts: 1

    How is it possible that Logos would not provide a way to do this? Knowing that books consume large amounts of data, and their customers often spend thousands for their product/service?

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    The reason is Logos chooses not to invest the time or effort into finding a workaround for its app like other Bible apps did.

    That's there right.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • Donovan Neufeldt
    Donovan Neufeldt Member Posts: 8

    It is their right, nobodies contesting that, but at the cost and financial investment we make in logos software, I do not think the expectation is unreasonable. Logos does have good customer service and does things to improve. As the customers, we also have the right to say "Logos, this is really important to us... and as such we hope you make this a priority." 

  • Derek
    Derek Member Posts: 83

    Given the financial investment and customer loyalty (ive been a customer for 15 years), yes, I absolutely think we should have a voice to say this is really important.   

    And regardless of faithlife supporting rooted devices, I suspect the software will still work exactly the same on a rooted device.  ;)

    Logos needs to remember we are deeply financially invested in their platform.

  • Jonas Spurlock
    Jonas Spurlock Member Posts: 4

    Its is pretty rediculous to pay $3k for books and not have own them offline.  Tablets are todays technology, and with the capabilities available, this should be a priority. Searching and all the features is great, but for $3k i expect options to read my content offline (and not lug around my laptop!!)

  • Dan Francis
    Dan Francis Member Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭

    Its is pretty rediculous to pay $3k for books and not have own them offline.  Tablets are todays technology, and with the capabilities available, this should be a priority. Searching and all the features is great, but for $3k i expect options to read my content offline (and not lug around my laptop!!)

    Logos has always advised you to download to your mobile device only the items you need offline. I have over 7000 resources in my library and on my iPad/iPhone i have roughly 1200 items which i have been advised is more than I should have. There are plenty of devices offering you more than enough room to install all your items if you want. In the end Logos is not at fault because you bought  a device that is too small to meet your needs.

    -Dan

  • Kevin Byford (Faithlife)
    Kevin Byford (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,309

    Given the financial investment and customer loyalty (ive been a customer for 15 years), yes, I absolutely think we should have a voice to say this is really important.

    Please enter your suggestion on UserVoice - here are the instructions on how: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/65558.aspx 

    And regardless of faithlife supporting rooted devices, I suspect the software will still work exactly the same on a rooted device.  ;)

    This is not at all true.  We've seen issues in the past with rooted devices not displaying things properly, and there are a huge number of combinations of devices and root methods.  You are welcome to try whatever you wish with your device but you will have to support it if things don't work.

  • Barry Cushman
    Barry Cushman Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    On an android device I can download only the books I want (with no issues on a rooted phone either). However, on my windows tablet there's no app (just the standard software package), so it appears it's all or nothing as far as downloads are concerned, and it eats up most of the memory. (I have 32 GB.) Is there a way to limit local books on one windows device (the tablet) but not another (computer)?

  • Kevin Byford (Faithlife)
    Kevin Byford (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,309

    On an android device I can download only the books I want (with no issues on a rooted phone either). However, on my windows tablet there's no app (just the standard software package), so it appears it's all or nothing as far as downloads are concerned, and it eats up most of the memory. (I have 32 GB.) Is there a way to limit local books on one windows device (the tablet) but not another (computer)?

    Hi Barry,

    Welcome to the forums!  

    The Faithlife Mobile apps (Android/iOS) are not equivalent to the Faithlife Desktop apps.  If your Windows tablet can run Logos, it is likely running the full Desktop version and in this case there isn't any distinction between a "tablet" and a "computer" - your tablet is a computer, just a very space-limited (and probably quite slow) computer.

    To my knowledge the answer to your question is "no", although I'm not an expert on running Logos Desktop on Windows tablets (I'm better with the mobile apps, and this is the Android Apps forum).

    If you repost to the appropriate Logos Desktop forum I hope you might receive a more favorable answer.!

  • KarenCoker
    KarenCoker Member Posts: 23

     

    Help. you were able to get it to work but it didn't work for me.  Got root using odin, twrp.

    Tried many different apk managers, linksd2plus and rootchecker plus as well as several other free app managers.

    I granted root acces to the apps before using. None would move any part of Logos.

    I called tech spport today and they said it couldn't be done and asked me to open a support case.  they did not steer me to forum.

    Please describe the issue:

    I have a galaxy tab s with 32 GB internal and a128 GB SD card.
    I have given myself root access so that on my apps with content as well as the executable.
    I want to put the logos on the internal storage and the books on the sd, much like any cloud based app.

    Logos will not do this whereas I could do it with kindle, audible, music, etc. I am using linksd2plus a souped up apk mgr.  Ideas, my 32 is full and my 128 has lots of room.

    I have no trouble with the app except I want to move the. Files. Maybe  I could just move them command line and then force a link to mount when I start the app. Of course I will need to find them

    Karen

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭

    Hi Karen,

    You can use the DirectoryBind app to move your library to SD.

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/themes-apps/tool-directorybind-data-to-externalsd-t1410262

    I can confirm that this is working. Of course, it's unsupported.

    Jan

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,957

    On an android device I can download only the books I want (with no issues on a rooted phone either). However, on my windows tablet there's no app (just the standard software package), so it appears it's all or nothing as far as downloads are concerned, and it eats up most of the memory. (I have 32 GB.) Is there a way to limit local books on one windows device (the tablet) but not another (computer)?

    The Windows desktop application doesn't support selective downloading of resources. We're tracking that suggestion here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/100284.aspx 

  • Amen, if I drop $20,000 on a product I have certain expectations, Like when I make a suggestion you will happily respond by saying, "I will get on that right away sir". At this level anything else is just disrespectful and rude.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105

    At this level anything else is just disrespectful and rude.

    I hope you are kidding as it is unrealistic to think they could do that for everyone who has > $20,000 invested. An were they to do so, those with major investments would quickly run the company into the ground with the lack of a balanced market. I am embarrassed to ever get any recognition base on the size of my deposit, investment, income ... However, if your post was intended tongue-in-cheek, welcome to the forums [Y]

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Paul Unger
    Paul Unger Member Posts: 12

    First, you need to root your tablet/phone

    FYI, Faithlife doesn't support rooted devices.

    Can you point to where Logos says they don't support rooted devices? That would be unfortunate if they didn't--rooting a device is one of the first things a number of owners do... According to the Android FAQs:
    What devices support the Logos Mobile apps for Android?

    The Logos Mobile apps are compatible with most Android Tablets and Phones, as long as the [sic] support the "Google Play" or "Amazon App Store" marketplaces.

    As for moving resources to an SD card, I found this in the Android FAQs:

    I want to buy an Android Device. What size should I buy?

    Since the mobile apps access your books from the internet, there are no restrictions as to what size you have to buy in order to use the app, but some devices may require a "microSD" card to install applications.

    So, as far as Logos is concerned, there's some reason for having a "microSD" card...

    For what it's worth, I moved Logos to my SD card by doing:

    Settings > Applications > Manage Applications, select Bible from the list > Move to SD card

    Android 2.3.4 (Gingerbread) / Logos 4.3.9

    Paul

  • Kevin Byford (Faithlife)
    Kevin Byford (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,309

    First, you need to root your tablet/phone

    FYI, Faithlife doesn't support rooted devices.

    Can you point to where Logos says they don't support rooted devices? That would be unfortunate if they didn't--rooting a device is one of the first things a number of owners do...

    Yes, as a Faithlife Employee I mentioned it back in 2012 here on the forums (and in many other places on these forums):  https://community.logos.com/forums/p/58064/418402.aspx#418402 

    You can root your device if you wish but we don't officially support rooted devices (either Android or iOS).