Logos 7 - What should it offer?
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danwdoo said:To add to this I'd like a quick or simple default highlight option such as right-click on selected text and choose highlight. Having to open a panel, chose a highlight type is far too much clicking for such a simple function! Think the editing popup in Office.
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1. More helps for Greek students - those who are currently studying / those who have studied and don't have enough time to maintain their proficiencies without a little help from Logos 7. There are so many ways Logos is ALREADY tooled to provide quick access to paradigms (Verbs, Nouns, Pronouns, Prepositions (with their different cases), etc. Simplified access on the fly would help Logos users to keep up better after all the investment of time (and sometimes tears).
2. Search (a lemma) in the LXX - available on the Right-Click menu under LEMMA. [I thought something like this was there a while back. Did I imagine it or did it get lost?]
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I would like to see notes revamped to be more cohesive in the whole product and act less like individual resources (such as a book). For example. When I right click on a passage, there will only be the last notes page listed in the popup so I then have to stop and go to documents and open the correct note document and then go back to the selected text (which is hopefully still selected assuming I didn't accidentally click with my mouse) and add an entry to the correct document. This is a horrible workflow.
Instead, I should be able to right click add a note and then have a dialog that gives me the options for the last used note document or an easy way to get to a list to select the correct one without breaking my work flow. I would also like to have some sort of category system such as OneNote and Evernote use so I can have multiple sections within a document that are easily navigated. Perhaps I might have a theology note and under it are sections of different subtopics (i.e. sanctification, election, justification, etc...) and under each of these have entries for things such as verse lists, article references from my library, personal notes or whatever I might feel relevant to the topic/subtopic.
I feel such a system would greatly help pull all the wonderful resources that exists in Logos to a single, cohesive place. It would also reduce the number of note documents I would need, thus making it simpler to find and navigate to the information I want.
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Add something like Accordance's INFER command for searching extrabiblical parallels: http://www.accordancebible.com/INFER-Command-In-Greek-Texts.
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Joel Dougherty said:
Add something like Accordance's INFER command for searching extrabiblical parallels: http://www.accordancebible.com/INFER-Command-In-Greek-Texts.
I have to say, there's some topnotch writing at that link ;-)
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BriM said:
8: Improved Organisation of Library
Scrolling through a list of several thousand resources is almost impossible to do fruitfully. Collections help a little but I’d really like to see resources organised into expandable hierarchical folders like Windows Explorer that are put there by drag and drop. Ideally, this would be a view rather than a physical location so that I could have multiple logical organisations of resources (e.g. I might want to organise my commentaries by series, book, etc. There should be a way to choose the size of icon or list details much like windows explorer gives.I like this idea very much. It is really important that Faithlife always be thinking of library management and organization. As libraries get bigger, this becomes an ever bigger issue. Collections are wonderful, but more ways to organize is imperative. This suggestion above, I would really like to see. I have added it to uservoice
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In browser favorites, if a website is in the favorites list, it is indicated by a filled in star (in firefox) that shows that it is in my favorites. I would like this ability also in Logos. What I have in my favorites should be noted in a similar way.
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I have 5 boys, 3 of whom are teenagers and they have taken an interest in the Logos Bible program. I would like to see L7 have a base package that would tweak the interest of a young person in high school to begin to use Logos in their study of God's Word. I am considering introducing them to a free Bible Software in order to tweak their interest more. But I think it would be in the interest of Faithlife to think about offering a free package similar to esword, with resources that are in the public domain that could get a young person started on a lifetime of study. Once they have a package, they can then choose to build on that package as the years go on. Others could purchase resources for them and have the resources added to their libraries.
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Joel Dougherty said:
Add something like Accordance's INFER command for searching extrabiblical parallels: http://www.accordancebible.com/INFER-Command-In-Greek-Texts.
Resource => The Didache, or, The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles Translated withNotes has * with parallel Bible links; clicking * allows hover on link to show Bible verse (from highest prioritized resource):
Also can search The Didache, or, The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles Translated withNotes
Notes on Didache 16 include references to Matthew 24 (similar to INFER example) plus more to ponder.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Mark.. Love your idea about esword like version for kids.. I too have been thinking the same thing for my 2 kids.. And would be all over the idea of gifting them resources from time to time..
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Resource => The Didache, or, The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles Translated withNotes has * with parallel Bible links; clicking * allows hover on link to show Bible verse (from highest prioritized resource):
Notes on Didache 16 include references to Matthew 24 (similar to INFER example) plus more to ponder.
This is helpful, but I had in mind a way to search for NT quotations and allusions within the text itself. Note the highlighting in the link I posted above.
Joel
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Hello Bob (and others)
I propose and suggest that Logos 7 be a complete do-over for normal, regular, Bible-study, Church-attending users and not scientific, mathematically minded, programmer types that it is now.
In short...give people and option to dumb it down some - create a Bible study mode or offer a "gather all your devotionals and have them change daily mode on your front page" mode.
Imagine a common person sitting in a Bible study trying to quickly locate items on whatever operating system they are using and maybe just trying to open up to a one or two commentaries efficiently and swiftly.
Make word pronunciation easier and simpler so that when your turn comes to read The Word you are not struggling to say a word properly but just need to click on it or push it to pronounce it (seriously, something this user-friendly is sadly lacking in this software).
So to repeat myself - come up with an EASY MODE or call it BIBLE STUDY MODE if you like. You would be amazed how quickly I sadly abandon Logos to locate just about anything including say a Scriptures on Giving (for example) and just do a Google search instead. It pains me every time but Logos is slow and not easy to use still after all these years.
It always surprises and galls me some that we have to create our own layouts and do some programming to get simple devotionals to show up and update everyday. More control of what we want to see on our front page rather than what Faithlife is trying to sell would be great please.
God bless your efforts. My advice - come down to earth and do a redesign....seriously....a whole do-over.
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Free upgrade, and all books for free
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JoshinRI - I agree that Logos could do more for the Sunday School teacher/religious education director/faith formation director/worship planner crowd. And I have reason to believe that they will make some additional moves in that direction. For the Verbum user, the lectionary default layout serves very much as a simple interface for the average member of the congregation. In many ways the simplicity or complexity of Logos/Verbum is a direct consequence of the resources one owns. It works well for religion classes in Catholic high schools which is obviously a controlled library ... so I don't believe the software is above the grasp of the average pew warmer. Could your "easy mode" be as simple as a limited resources/features mode? That could be extremely useful to the educational group as they could then tailor their presentations to what they expect their students/participants to have ... and quit spending so much time saying "you won't see this because ...."
Note also that "normal, regular, Bible-study, Church-attending users" will vary greatly through different theological strains e.g. the confessional based Bible study of Lutherans, the tradition-reason Anglican approach, the tradition-reason-experience Wesleyan/Catholic approach. the straight sola-scriptura inerrancy approach ....
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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ditto For my own kids and others. I am the youth guy at my church and the kids have an intense interest in how I study the bible, I live in a very poor community and gearing them up with even the most basic package is simply not an option. It would be great if Faithlife developed a basic package available to students that could get them started down that path.
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I am sure this has been suggested in the earlier pages but a true cloud version of Logos made available to all users (free or paid), that works in any modern browser.
- All content indexed in the cloud for searches
- Notes and highlights sync between the web and the cloud
- (Optional) Integration of collaboration functions like shared comments and notes within the Logos app itself
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Troy Allen said:
ditto For my own kids and others. I am the youth guy at my church and the kids have an intense interest in how I study the bible, I live in a very poor community and gearing them up with even the most basic package is simply not an option. It would be great if Faithlife developed a basic package available to students that could get them started down that path.
Have you talked to your regional rep about a demonstration and custom package? Faithlife is interested in reaching into the churches including the youth.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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JoshInRI said:
My advice - come down to earth and do a redesign....seriously....a whole do-over.
Maybe they ought to release a Logos Lite. (Not to the exclusion of a Logos 7 but in addition to it.)
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super.Tramp said:JoshInRI said:
My advice - come down to earth and do a redesign....seriously....a whole do-over.
Maybe they ought to release a Logos Lite. (Not to the exclusion of a Logos 7 but in addition to it.)
Yep, that's the more likely scenario.
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Geo Philips said:
I am sure this has been suggested in the earlier pages but a true cloud version of Logos made available to all users (free or paid), that works in any modern browser.
- All content indexed in the cloud for searches
- Notes and highlights sync between the web and the cloud
- (Optional) Integration of collaboration functions like shared comments and notes within the Logos app itself
There are working on it but the actual cloud app has a long way to go and personally given all the issues they have had with server management over the past year I don't think I would want to rely solely on a cloud app.
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MJ. Smith said:
JoshinRI - I agree that Logos could do more for the Sunday School teacher/religious education director/faith formation director/worship planner crowd. And I have reason to believe that they will make some additional moves in that direction.
Troy Allen said:It would be great if Faithlife developed a basic package available to students that could get them started down that path.
Super.Tramp said:Maybe they ought to release a Logos Lite. (Not to the exclusion of a Logos 7 but in addition to it.)
It seems to me that all of this would accomplish what is being asked. Besides the interest some parents or youth workers might have in such a product to encourage a younger generation, it is a good marketing strategy to hook so to speak a new generation to see the value of the software package. To have a simple program, where kids can read (they like reading on a Kindle more than a physical book) and where they can begin to see the value of commentaries, resources, but keeping it simple, affordable and potentially expandable.
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I Hope that Logos 7 will offer the following (If Logos 6 fails to):
- SEBS WIVU Constituency Trees trees
- WIVU Syntaxtical Search
- Richter Morphology (or the Biblia Hebraica Transcripta)
- Searching on cantillation/accent marks patterns or rather the "ta`amei ha-mikra"
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I don't think that is the same. Logos Cloud is still primarily a desktop based application with an unfortunate name.
My needs would be met by Biblia/Logos Now web app being on feature parity with the desktop apps.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Geo Philips said:I am sure this has been suggested in the earlier pages but a true cloud version of Logos made available to all users (free or paid), that works in any modern browser.
- All content indexed in the cloud for searches
- Notes and highlights sync between the web and the cloud
- (Optional) Integration of collaboration functions like shared comments and notes within the Logos app itself
There are working on it but the actual cloud app has a long way to go and personally given all the issues they have had with server management over the past year I don't think I would want to rely solely on a cloud app.
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BKMitchell said:
I Hope that Logos 7 will offer the following (If Logos 6 fails to):
- SEBS WIVU Constituency Trees trees
- WIVU Syntaxtical Search
While #2 WIVU analysis is missing from Logos (and people still are asking for it, as currently only AFAT syntactical search is available for the OT), the WIVU trees themselves (#1) are still part of the GBS-bundle that replaced SESB and can be seen in Logos 6. You actually posted in the old thread recently where some users who couldn't see them at first got them to work.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Hello Bob,
Well you said, “Dream big” so here goes…..
I am a Verbum user and what I would like to see this software become is my “Digital Hub for my Spiritual Life”.
With that said, Verbum is an outstanding research tool as is. But, I would like to see incorporated more of a “personal” touch to the software.
From within the Verbum environment I would like to be able to access the Blog posts that I subscribe to and easily turn the posts I want to keep into personal books. Likewise I would like to have the Verbum environment alert me when a You Tube channel I subscribe to has a new video posted. Ideally these can be played straight from the Verbum environment or at the least open a browser to that video.
I would like to be able to keep my own photographs and graphics within the Verbum environment. That way when I go on pilgrimages I can link those photos and graphics to my favorite Bible. Something like a Verbum photo album.
Speaking of dreaming big. Why not a “Build a Bible” feature kind of along the lines of Apple iBooks Builder. That way I can build a “dream” Bible with all my notes, pictures, graphic, charts, clippings, parallel passages, audio/video clips etc. incorporated within that Bible.
Also, why not some sort of widget builder so that individual web sites can build widgets that allow that website to interact with the Logos/Verbum environment. I’m thinking of websites like Formed, Augustine Institute, St. Paul Center for Biblical Studies (or any individual church) etc… This would allow these sites to turn Logos/Verbum into a customized teaching tool. By closer cooperation with these sites Logos/Verbum becomes a tool they can use, makes the software more valuable and desirable, and helps you market the product to a larger audience.
While I’m dreaming “big”. What about an App builder and App store. Where little Apps (That interact within the Logos/Verbum enviroment) can be posted and sold by users through this store. Prayer journals, Calendar programs, etc.. Who knows what clever little gems your users will come up with? This again makes the software more valuable and desirable, becomes a win-win-win situation for everyone and, truly helps create the “Digital Hub for the Spiritual Life”.
Logos/Verbum does not have to do everything on its own or reinvent the wheel. What I would like to see is tight integration with other software packages especially OneNote, Microsoft Office Suite, Mindmapping software like Inspiration etc….
Your software packages are truly amazing and I have been so blessed by Verbum. Truly, the possibilities for this software is endless.
May God bless you and continue his good work through you!
God Bless,
"Thinking Big In Tacoma" Pete
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I would like to be able to use PDF files to make personal books, in addition to the docx files.
Simpler and more intuitive searching would be nice.
An improved library manager. Simpler is better. Hiding and restoring books should be more simple.
And, of course, faster is better.
Thank you for what you do.
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I'd really like to be able to control the font size from the print dialogue.
I frequently use PDF snippets for classes. But because I'm on high res, large monitors, I keep my font size big. I end up opening the print dialogue, realizing it's going to use a huge font and take 40 pages, then must close it, shrink my font down, reopen, print the now 6-page excerpt, close the print dialogue, and make my fonts readable on the screen again.
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Yes, no new features. Instead direct ALL the $$ to two things:
1) mobile development; and
2) adding more faith life products such as MobileED, Bible Guides, etc., into base packages. More included content means more people buying base packages and upgrading. I don't need fancy features which will be discontinued two years later. Plus, many lack the means to spend hundreds on say the Bible Guides only to learn they don't own 90% of the resouces cited therein. Flip it. Include such things in base packages which then encourages users to buy the cited resources.
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