Logos 7 - What should it offer?
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Andrew Vines said:
imagine the impact on the kingdom if this software could be used in the same way by native speakers of Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian...
We've had an international focus for the last two years. We're working to localize and build comprehensive libraries in the following languages (in addition to English and Spanish):
- German
- French
- Portuguese
- Chinese
- Korean
- Dutch
After we successfully get these off the ground, we'll continue expansion into other languages as well.
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Phil, that's absolutely fabulousisimo (not a real spanish word; I'm practicing). Korean especially (for my neck of the western US woods).
Now with any luck and all, the Japanese interlinear copyright will have run out by 'after we successfully get these off the ground', and Japanese can quickly use the interlinear!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Phil Gons said:Andrew Vines said:
imagine the impact on the kingdom if this software could be used in the same way by native speakers of Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian...
We've had an international focus for the last two years. We're working to localize and build comprehensive libraries in the following languages (in addition to English and Spanish):
- German
- French
- Portuguese
- Chinese
- Korean
- Dutch
After we successfully get these off the ground, we'll continue expansion into other languages as well.
Very good Phil. Please don't forget Amharic Bible as well.
Blessings in Christ.
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Bryan S. said:
A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exista manual would fix this. Plus a manual explains things in great detail it doesn't just hit the high points it hits every point and this is why a lot of people are frustrated with Logos.
[Y][Y][Y] I like that Bryan! The aspect of a manual covering all the things the software can do is especially desirable.
The following review about Logos 6 (Platinum) should be read and considered by the Logos developers. It says it better than I could so I decided to post it. If you want to read the complete review, go to Logos 6 Platinum and the review should be there. Or just click this link https://www.logos.com/product/43521/platinum. The font was either too small or too blurry so I took two screen shots and put them together:)
With such a powerful software and all the work that has gone into it, it is only reasonable that a manual explaining ALL the features should come along with a package automatically. So yes, a manual should come along with Logos 7 or at least the manual by Morris Proctor. And if it is incorporated, then thanks a ton! [:D]
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Phil Gons said:
After we successfully get these off the ground, we'll continue expansion into other languages as well.
Italian is very important, especially for the Verbum market.
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I would add, examine the distinctive features of Accordance and then at the least implement them in Logos but of course while you are at it, do the same with BibleWorks.
But really what I would like is to see Logos go back to its roots and forget about implementing more functionality in tablets/smartphones which in no way have the processing power of even 2 year older entry level PC CPUs and concentrate on improving the functionality of the software on laptop and desktop machines as it is clear that the division in labor is hampering your PC software development.
This would allow your resources to be directed towards improving the PC software in terms of features and performance which those of us who like myself have spent many hundreds/thousands of dollars on would appreciate.
Matthew 10:8
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Sorry for joining in the discussion so late. Here are a few ideas that I think could be useful.
3 new Logos Ideas
1] Domain categories: What if our SEARCH RESULTS could be returned within various domain ranges of a sort? Just like L-N has domain categories, any search (or perhaps select searches) would populate within certain [perhaps user defined?] categories. [Logos already has other such categories built into the software. These might be put to other uses.] It might be enormously helpful. Verse Searches in BASIC Searches, for example, might be returned in various domain categories which would be listed in order from greatest number of hits to least number of hits. The theological implications would be fairly apparent and the narrowing of search results in this way could be enormously helpful.2] Whenever one uses the Right-mouse-click feature on a GREEK word it opens a Context Menu. If this could be linked to the Morphology Chart which is already available in Logos it would enable us to see ANY Greek word with its conjugations as found in the N.T. I am asking if there could be a Morphology Chart option on that menu when one selects LEMMA on the right side of the menu.3] up - down arrows on the Text Comparison menu bar.-- blessings in Him --0 -
Did anyone mention online blog searches? Give the software owner the choice to tag several popular blogs and search them for specific topics from within logos?
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Logos 7? oh.... I am still recovering from recently buying Logos 6 and not understanding that not all levels had the same data sets - I thought the other levels just had more resources. My mistake entirely that I thought data sets could be added on without going up to other levels. My starter kind of became a dead end in a moment;=)
Don't get me wrong, I love Logos and am glad I was confused as I would never have gotten it had I realized. It was a lot of money as is and even more as I add commentaries etc.
So I guess I wish the pricing structure would be reviewed as some of us who are not Pastors/Teachers and so forth and do not need another 275 resources but would love to see the psalms or parables explorer or a timeline or atlas, even in a "lite" form ...can't hurt to dream!Dorothy
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Dorothy Pollock said:
Logos 7? oh.... I am still recovering from recently buying Logos 6 and not understanding that not all levels had the same data sets - I thought the other levels just had more resources. My mistake entirely that I thought data sets could be added on without going up to other levels. My starter kind of became a dead end in a moment;=)
Dorothy
Hi Dorothy
Are you aware you can add datasets using the crossgrades - particularly have a look at the feature one?
https://www.logos.com/compare?productIds=45040,45041,45042
Graham
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Hi Graham,
Thanks so much for the information. I thought so too awhile back when I was frantically looking for a path, however, when I inquired I was told
"The simple answer to your question is that you do not have a library that can utilize the Feature Crossgrade. The Starter does not have enough resources to utilize the tools in the Crossgrade"My brother has Gold. When I visit him, I will at least get a chance to see all the cool toys I am missing ;=)
Dorothy
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Dorothy Pollock said:
you do not have a library that can utilize the Feature Crossgrade. The Starter does not have enough resources to utilize the tools in the Crossgrade"
I have bought a number of cross grades through the years. I've not ever seen/heard that rationale before.
Yes, it is true that Starter by itself will not have nor will it support all of the new features etc -- but the whole point of the most expensive FEATURE cross grade (with its extra resources) is that it should "light up" ALL the new L6 features.
Was someone trying to sell you a bigger Base package?
That answer pretty much goes against everything I have seen advertised about cross-grades.
Perhaps you should call a second salesperson? [:)] ie like getting a second opinion from a doctor, contractor or the IRS?
Regards -- really, you should call back and ask for some one else!
Regards, SteveF
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Yes, after paying about 250.00 for the starter after a discount, it was suggested I spend another 280 or so after a 15% discount to go up 1 level to Bronze. I should have asked if that included the cost of marriage counseling after the Discover bill arrived ;=)
Perhaps I will ask again. I have had no reason to doubt his sincerity but I will check if it seems to others that there is a possibility of another avenue to adding data-sets. I explained at the time that getting 275 resources when I only was looking to add a few Datasets seemed a stretch, especially since I think it gave me maybe one atlas.
I understand that the other levels are a premium for that reason and that the work done to create such a terrific software such as LOGOS 6, is going to be pricey. I do not want to seem like I think I should be getting everything for no money. But I figured that CrosssGrade was maybe for LOGOS 5 after that even though this line had me hopeful:
"Make your current library even better by adding all of Logos 6’s new tools, media, and datasets to your software, without adding more books."
Seemed perfect.
And as I was logged in I thought it would KNOW what I had and not offer it.Thank you for your suggestions.
Dorothy
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Everything that's found to be useful in L6 without those items not found useful. Also, a choice of language on home page (I'm not going to buy items in another language if they're already in English (well, maybe German excepted). Ability to eliminate the verse of the day from the home page (is that supposed to be of some use?).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Dorothy Pollock said:
Yes, after paying about 250.00 for the starter after a discount, it was suggested I spend another 280 or so after a 15% discount to go up 1 level to Bronze. I should have asked if that included the cost of marriage counseling after the Discover bill arrived ;=)
Perhaps I will ask again. I have had no reason to doubt his sincerity but I will check if it seems to others that there is a possibility of another avenue to adding data-sets. I explained at the time that getting 275 resources when I only was looking to add a few Datasets seemed a stretch, especially since I think it gave me maybe one atlas.
I understand that the other levels are a premium for that reason and that the work done to create such a terrific software such as LOGOS 6, is going to be pricey. I do not want to seem like I think I should be getting everything for no money. But I figured that CrosssGrade was maybe for LOGOS 5 after that even though this line had me hopeful:
"Make your current library even better by adding all of Logos 6’s new tools, media, and datasets to your software, without adding more books."
Seemed perfect.
And as I was logged in I thought it would KNOW what I had and not offer it.Thank you for your suggestions.
Dorothy
Get one of the crossgrades. I'll leave it to you to decide which one although the more expensive one is loaded up with reverse interlinear garbage—just a word of warning.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Ability to eliminate the verse of the day from the home page (is that supposed to be of some use?).
You can deselect this using the settings gear at the top right of the homepage
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Thank you George. I sent CC another email requesting a clarification on my eligibility for the features CrossGrade.
Dorothy
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Please add to Logos 7 a method for being able to highlight certain portions of a book and then export and print the highlights even if there are multiple highlights on any given page. It doesn't seem possible to do that at the moment, but it seems as though that functionality ought to be desirable.
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Rayner said:
a method for being able to highlight certain portions of a book and then export and print the highlights even if there are multiple highlights on any given page
I know there are issues with exporting highlights to documents but printing should work today. Are you seeing issues?
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Hi Dorothy
Dorothy Pollock said:So I guess I wish the pricing structure would be reviewed as some of us who are not Pastors/Teachers and so forth and do not need another 275 resources but would love to see the psalms or parables explorer or a timeline or atlas, even in a "lite" form ...can't hurt to dream!
I just wanted to respond to the specific things you mentioned here:
- Psalms Explorer - this is available in the Features Crossgrade and doesn't require any additional resources
- Parables Explorer - there isn't any such resource. There is a "Parallel Gospels Reader" also available in Features. Did you mean that or something else?
- The TImeline is included in Core Crossgrade and upwards - this is one where having more resources will give access to more detailed information about events on the timeline
- A range of map / atlas -related resources are included in the Crossgrades
- Core has Biblical Places Maps and Logos 6 Maps Volume 1 & 2 (these last two are being enhanced)
- Features additionally has Logos 6 Maps Volume 3
Hope this helps in your decision-making process
Graham
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( moved it to suggestions)
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If it is possible ... it would be GREAT to get this MILESTONE CODE as a pre-defined option in the dropdown list as we type "parable" into a BIBLE and/or BASIC Search.
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Yes, sorry. Too much typing ;=)
Proverbs Explorer is what I should have typed.I dropped them a note. If the crossgrades in any form are a possibility, I will take a serious look at my options.
I thought the features one was a good fit for me.
Sorry to take up so much time on a request thread and appreciate everyone's help.Dorothy
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Dorothy Pollock said:
Yes, sorry. Too much typing ;=)
Proverbs Explorer is what I should have typed.I dropped them a note. If the crossgrades in any form are a possibility, I will take a serious look at my options.
I thought the features one was a good fit for me.
Sorry to take up so much time on a request thread and appreciate everyone's help.Dorothy
I would recommend the Features Crossgrade if your budget permits. While the Starter base package does not contain as many resources as the features in the Crossgrade can and would utilize, those features absolutely will utilize the resources you do have. And the Features Crossgrade has all the features of the Gold package; that is, all of the features of Logos 6.
Also check the recently released Specialized Collections (Logos Blog post: https://blog.logos.com/2015/02/get-the-most-out-of-your-favorite-logos-6-features-with-specialized-collections/) for resources targeted to the different features. Note that the features do not come with these collections; the collections simply provide resources specific to the respective features.
Note: I'm not a Faithlife employee; I'm just a Logos enthusiast. [H]
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Hi Graham,
Ok, so I contacted someone on chat and got a different answer with some qualifications:Agent:--->You do qualify for it. And that would get you the remaining tools and features, yes
ME:--->I had spoken to an agent who told me I did not as the starter did not have the resources required."The simple answer to your question is that you do not have a library that can utilize the Feature Crossgrade. The Starter does not have enough resources to utilize the tools in the Crossgrade"
Agent:--->The starter does not get you all the tools and features, no. And that answer was basically right; your library won't really utilize those tools properly because you're missing many of the resources required by them. It doesn't mean you can't use them, they just won't be the experience you're expecting.
ME: --->That is what I do not understand.Can you give me an example?If I use say Psalms Explorer or Proverbs explorer or atlas. What would happen?There really is not clear information on this anywhere on the site.
Agent:--->Mostly original language study. The tools you just mentioned will work fine. But you have none of the background datasets for hebrew and greek tools to function.
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Hi Dorothy
That sounds about right.
Do you know what you are going to do?
Graham
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Hi Graham,
Well as I was trying to figure it out and bracing to share this with my husband ... lol. My son said he wanted to buy it for me.
He says I always say no when he offers to buy me things, which is true, so I decided that this would make a lovely gift and I said YES!
Dorothy
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Hi Dorothy
Thats great news!
Enjoy, Graham
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I would like to have different choices in what books I get. By that I mean, not all who have Logos are preachers, so having a multitude of books on ministering is a waist to many like myself who do not preach. Also those not familiar with the original languages and are not concerned with trying to learn them, many language books are also a waist for many. I am not suggesting we are given a long list of books that we can pick and choose from. But we could have alternative bundles such as Logos has now on OT and NT history, Bible history, church history, denominational history and so on. So instead of getting books that would be useless for some, others bundles could be chosen that would be more beneficial for suiting their needs. The different bundles would or could be priced together to meet the same prices as a Gold, Silver or Platinum base packages.
I have probably 2000 books I do not need nor wanted but they came with the packages I have bought over the years and these have to do with the ministry and sermon making. (I would be glad to give these away if I could and if anyone wanted them.
But my point is that it would be nice to have some sort of selection in Logos 7 without having to buy books we don’t want. I know what some will say. Don’t buy the higher priced packages. What is wrong with having some choice instead of getting books logos can’t sell?
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The Chinese comprehensive library already includes three Bibles. Two more Bibles are on prepub and a book on Ruth is on prepub. It's a start for something in the neighborhood of 1.4 billion Chinese speakers. 加油！
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Fred Robbins said:
I would like to have different choices in what books I get.
Fred Robbins said:But my point is that it would be nice to have some sort of selection in Logos 7 without having to buy books we don’t want. I know what some will say. Don’t buy the higher priced packages. What is wrong with having some choice instead of getting books logos can’t sell?
I understand what you are saying, but can you give more details? What kind of base package do you want?
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I would like to see the ability to show which books, etc. are already a part of one's collection when visiting the store. The dynamic pricing is much appreciated, but with well over 9,000 resources, it is difficult to detect which resources are owned and which resources I would be purchasing as a result of the dynamic pricing. This is especially true when there are over 100 resources included in a collection. It seems like an inconvenience to compare the lists of resources that are a part of the collection to the resources that are already in my library. Thank you for allowing me to voice this!
Michael Kahler
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Michael Kahler said:
I would like to see the ability to show which books, etc. are already a part of one's collection when visiting the store. The dynamic pricing is much appreciated, but with well over 9,000 resources, it is difficult to detect which resources are owned and which resources I would be purchasing as a result of the dynamic pricing. This is especially true when there are over 100 resources included in a collection.
Faithlife has already begun to work on this. There are some bundles where if you scroll to the VERY bottom, beneath the individual descriptions of each resource, there is a list of the resources and icons showing which ones you own already.
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Here is an example... Notice the snowflake icons to the left of some titles. Those are the ones I own. EDIT: Those are the ones I DON'T own. [:$]
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alabama24 said:Michael Kahler said:
I would like to see the ability to show which books, etc. are already a part of one's collection when visiting the store. The dynamic pricing is much appreciated, but with well over 9,000 resources, it is difficult to detect which resources are owned and which resources I would be purchasing as a result of the dynamic pricing. This is especially true when there are over 100 resources included in a collection.
Faithlife has already begun to work on this. There are some bundles where if you scroll to the VERY bottom, beneath the individual descriptions of each resource, there is a list of the resources and icons showing which ones you own already.
Thank you so much for this information, alabama24! I had no idea this is already present and being worked on. This will save me much time!! Thanks again!
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Sure thing! [:)]
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Finding products in the Logos and Vyrso shops is easy. Finding resources in your own library is hard. It should be as easy as browsing the shops:
- Hierarchy by topic, especially for vyrso titles (Christian Living, bio, theology, fiction, children, teens and suitable sub categories.
- Filtering by author, language, denomination etc.
I want just the same functions that I have in the various Faithlife stores already, just inside the application.
(I'll just put that request on uservoice as well...)
Edit: Here we go... http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/9285627-library-hierarchy-and-filtering
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I'd like to see some increased functionality in Highlighting. For example, in my print Bible I'll often underline a phrase, verse, or passage with multiple colors to signify different things/thoughts/etc. Could the Borders and Lines section add say just one or two more lines below the text. If that could be done on the bottom I would think that could be done on the top and sides as well. I understand I can do multiple highlights/underlines on a phrase, text, or passage but only one will display at a time if I've done multiple underlines. I'd like to see them all if possible so that is why I'd like to see some additional lines available.
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Scott Burke said:
I'd like to see some increased functionality in Highlighting. For example, in my print Bible I'll often underline a phrase, verse, or passage with multiple colors to signify different things/thoughts/etc. Could the Borders and Lines section add say just one or two more lines below the text. If that could be done on the bottom I would think that could be done on the top and sides as well. I understand I can do multiple highlights/underlines on a phrase, text, or passage but only one will display at a time if I've done multiple underlines. I'd like to see them all if possible so that is why I'd like to see some additional lines available.
To add to this I'd like a quick or simple default highlight option such as right-click on selected text and choose highlight. Having to open a panel, chose a highlight type is far too much clicking for such a simple function! Think the editing popup in Office.
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danwdoo said:
To add to this I'd like a quick or simple default highlight option such as right-click on selected text and choose highlight.
Do you know about this option? (I've been using "Y" for a Yellow highlight for years):
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Rich DeRuiter said:danwdoo said:
To add to this I'd like a quick or simple default highlight option such as right-click on selected text and choose highlight.
I did not. This is good to know but hard to remember when you only do occasional highlighting. It would be nice to have highlight selection be in the right click menu and then in the highlight pane you can set what this 'default' highlight will do. I will investigate your suggestion further. Thanks.
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danwdoo said:
I did not. This is good to know but hard to remember when you only do occasional highlighting.
I don't do a lot of highlighting either, but "Y" isn't hard to remember for yellow. It's the only one I have set up that way.
Y not? [;)]
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Fr Devin Roza said:Bob Pritchett said:
And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?
Here are some ideas.
Information Pane
I would like to see a pretty major overhaul of the information pane. Here are the more important ones:
- The “definition” feature should have the option to show the glosses from the “Lemma” section of the Bible Word Study Guide of the dictionary you have chosen defines the terms. Currently it just shows the beginning of the definition as it appears in the dictionary, which in most cases is useless, as you can’t actually see the definition. This is especially the case with Hebrew lexicons, which tend to begin each definition with information etymology and related ANE words. Note that this is different from the already present option to show a "Gloss", as that Gloss is not taken from your highest prioritized lexicon.
- For Hebrew verbs summary information (again, according to the dictionary you chose) should include brief definitions for the Qal, Piel, Hiphil, etc. forms, indicating QAL: definition; PIEL: definition, etc. For a great example of what I'm talking about, cf. BibleWorks.
- I would like to choose the order of elements in the information pane. For example, I like having the “Translated” section, but don’t want it to be on top.
- Let me turn off the “Clause” database information in the Information pane.
- I would like to see “root” information in the information pane (i.e., a brief summary of the root(s), with the words from that root and their glosses).
- Please give an option in Hebrew to stop looking up attached definite articles, prepositions, pronouns, etc. Logos already knows which word is the primary word, because when you double click on a word with attached articles, prepositions or pronouns it always looks up the main word. I don’t EVER want to see attached definite articles, prepositions, or pronouns in the information pane, they just make it so that you can’t actually see the definition and information you are interested in.
- Add Syriac as a supported language for the Info pane!
Flash Cards
- Each Lemma should have a column which says how many times that Lemma appears in the OT / NT respectively. If you want to, make it personalized for every version (e.g. NA27, NA28, , or just pick one version and go with it (such as the NA28 and BHS), but this information has to be there for this option to be useful.
- It should be easy to filter by how many times the Lemma appears (for example, if I know that I have memorized all the words in the NT that appear 25x or more, and now I am studying Luke chapter 10, I should easily be able to filter the vocabulary of Luke 10 by words that appear in the NT 24x or fewer).
- Each lemma should include the form that is actually studied in universities. For example, the form that is learned of the word λογος is λογος, ου (well… with the accents added in), with the nominative and genitive forms both included, the genitive form being shortened. Similarly, adjectives are learned with the nominative masculine, feminine, and neuter form. Verbs in Hebrew are learned (at least optionally) with the more common of the QAL, PIEL, HIPHIL, etc. definitions, while verbs in Greek (at least optionally for the more common irregular verbs) should include the 6 principle parts.
Search
- Most importantly, create an advanced search builder. I would imagine this working with "columns" that are connected by search operators like AND / OR / WITHIN, etc. Each column could begin with a dropdown that lets you choose the type of info (text, Milestone, PassageList, Morph, Clause, greek word, hebrew word, etc.). After choosing from the dropdown, depending on the option chosen, other boxes would appear to the right that would correspond to the options of that particular option / search extension.
- Create search extensions for Morph and Clause to make this possible.
- New search operator, “IGNORE” – Recently I wrote a 250+ page index of the Liturgy of the Hours, Roman Missal, etc., using Logos to run searches. I oftentimes found that I wanted to exclude certain phrases from my search… phrases that included words that I was searching for! For example, I am searching for the term “Christ” but I want to exclude the common phrase “Christ Our Lord”. If I run the search for Christ ANDNOT “Christ Our Lord” it would ruin my search results. I might have 100 hits for “Christ” in an article, but with just 1 “Christ our Lord” hit that entire article would disappear, along with the 100 true hits that I was interested in. What I would like to see is an operator that allows me to “IGNORE” the hits for “Christ Our Lord”, without disqualifying an article that has those hits. Note that this problem does not normally arise when searching the Bible, as the biblical verse are so short that ANDNOT almost never is problematic. But once Logos is used to start systematically searching resources with longer articles this “IGNORE” feature becomes important.
- An easier way to include accents in searching (could be taken care of in an advanced search builder).
- After running a search, you can navigate through the search results by pressing Alt+Down or by clicking the up and down arrows, having selected “Search Result” from the dropdown on the locator bar. When you navigate to the next search hit, Logos scrolls the resource so that the search hit is on the top line of the screen. This does not allow you to see any context of the search result. I would like Logos to navigate instead to the hit result, but with about 2 lines of text above it. (Note: as I have been creating the book “Fulfilled in Christ” I have gone through literally 100s of thousands of search results using this method. I can’t tell you how many thousands of times I have had to scroll up just to see a line or two of text about the search hit and see what it was saying)
Universal Passage Guide
The Passage Guide is limited to just the Bible. We need a universal Passage Guide, that doesn't care if you are searching in the Bible or elsewhere. Think Noet, just make sure the new features for Noet make it into Logos and Verbum!
Cited By Tool
This is already a mini-universal Passage Guide. Hopefully this will be done before Logos 7, but this tool needs a major overhall. This has already been discussed so much on here I don't think I need to go into details.
Bible Words Study Guide
- Link Set – I want to be able to add the Bible Word Study Guide to a link set. The reason is very simple. I find the “root” report of the BWS to be extremely useful for understanding the semantic range of a word. I have created a custom BWS with only the root report. I would like to add that BWS to a link set together with my Hebrew / Greek dictionaries. When I double click on a word, the dictionary navigates to it, and so would the BWS root report if it could be linked to the dictionary.
- Send Hyperlinks Here – When I right click on a word and generate a BWS, normally I want it to generate in the same BWS window I already have open. I want to be able to indicate that with the “Send hyperlinks here” option on the BWS, so as to avoid having to close every BWS window I open.
Scientific Commentaries and Link Sets
Anyone who tries to use scientific commentaries such as Word or Anchor or Hermeneia together with a “Link Set” in Logos quickly gets quite frustrated. There are numerous comments about this all over the forums. The reason is that the scientific commentaries comment the same passage in three or four different places – first they present a translation, then they comment the textual criticism problems, then they comment on the structure, then they comment on the meaning, etc. The “Link Set” tends to navigate to the first of these, which is oftentimes (maybe even normally) not what you are interested in…
I suggest that you create a dataset that marks up the different types of sections in the Commentary, and then, when multiple types of sections are available, allow us to prioritize those sections, so that the Link Set will go to the "Notes" section by default, or the "Textual Criticism" section, or whatever section we prefer.
Print / Export
When selecting the options to export to Word, include footnotes when they are displayed in Logos.
Copy and Paste
Add the “Setting” to “Copy Abbreviations” (or simply stop copying them when copying and pasting with the setting “Copy Footnotes”) – It is extremely irritating when copying scientific words that you copy into Word and you have, in addition to the footnotes which you wanted to copy, a repeating list of about 20 abbreviations per page, each one taking up one line as if they were footnotes!!
Address bar of Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries
When typing in the address bar of Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries, it should transliterate by default for you into the respective language. Ideally it would search for both the transliterated and the non-transliterated results, so that you could type in something like “Introduction” and it would find it, but you could also type in something like “dbr” and it would find דבר. Note that currently not even typing h: or g: works!! You have to actually change your keyboard layout to type in a word in the address bar of a Hebrew or Greek dictionary!
New Tab
The improvements in 5.2 of the New Tab are nice. I suggest that above the icons which display your favorite resources, or above the list of similar resources, there by a little text box. When you begin typing it in, it begins filtering your Library + all other things you might want to open (like search pane, information pane, etc.).
Library Columns
I would like to see the original date of publication of every work, and be able to easily filter, create collections by it, etc. Useful for creating collections of Church Fathers, Medieval Writings, Commentaries from 1900-1950, Commentaries from 1950-Present Day, etc. I am particularly interested in the date the original work was originally published, but it would be nice to also see the date that the particular edition was also published (current publishing date indicates the date the reprint was published).
Free Books inside of Books and Articles inside of Journals
I would like to see books which are inside of books (such as the books which are inside of Schaff's Church Father Series) treated as books. Logos should know that such and such a book is inside of a larger book, and that info should be available for citation purposes, but for things like creating collections, search results, etc., it would be MUCH more useful to normally just see the book. For example, if I want to create a collection of books by "Justin Martyr" that is impossible currently, because his works are included in Schaff's volumes together with other works.
Similarly, for articles normally what one is interested in is the article, the author, etc. Treating the article as a seperate book (with the info about the journal of course also available, even for the purpose of creating collections, etc.), would allow one to create a collection of articles by a certain author, etc.
Search results would also become much more relevant. Try running searches on Schaff's Church Father series. The results are something like "Chapter 3 from NPNFFE2". Totally irrelevant and not helpful. If the books were treated as real books, you would get results like "Chapter 2 of City of God by Augustine" etc.
Better Syriac Support
- Information pane support
- Morphologically tagged Leiden Peshitta
Glosses on all Greek / Hebrew / Syriac / Aramaic Morphologically Tagged Bibles
So many Bibles in these languages are morphologically tagged, but for whatever reason don't have the Glosses included, so you have to have the Info pane open. Add Glosses to all morph tagged Bibles.
Redesigned Guides and Files Menu
The "New" document or Guide should ideally just filter the right hand pane, which could include folders. Then, the right hand pane would offer contextually relevant options, based on the type of document or guide selected. So, a Passage List selection would offer the possibility to select a passage list in the right hand pane, and then run a search for it - allowing Logos to show off all these fancy new features.
Morphology Charts
These are a great idea, that I have long hoped for, but which I think were poorly implemented. They should display the Morph chart according to the standard textbook format (which would put, for example, the Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, and Vocative in a single column, and not in a single row). As well, they should indicate the "type" of morphological "pattern" that such and such a word follows, with a link to seeing that pattern with a word that is typically used by textbooks to illustrate the pattern.
Maps
Add data layers, such as altitude, cities, etc. that can be turned on or off.
Ideally include a 3D view.
Allow exporting custom maps
Online Media
All online media should have local resources with the thumbnails and metadata, to allow for integrated and quick searching and browsing. They should be placeholders for the downloadable media. When feasible, they should include low res versions for offline use. From a user interface point of view, it should be transparent to the user whether the image they are interacting with is online or offline, even if that difference is somehow indicated visually, or with different options, etc.
Documentation of Academic Resources
The sources, authors, and methodology used in the creation of all inhouse resources should be clearly marked, and easily available. This has generally been well done in the new stuff you have been producing, but older resources need to have the same treatment. Here I am thinking of things like the Morph databases, and other older resources that have little or no documentation.
Wow! What a great starting list!
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Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Personal Preaching Tacklebox
Every preacher would at least in theory like to have a personal collection of quotes, anecdotes, illustrations, etc. I would like to see Faithlife add a new tool to allow users to easily create and maintain such a resource.
Such a tool needs at least the following fields:
- Type: Quote, Anecdote, Illustration, etc.
- Title: Give a title that sums up the text
- Themes: Selection of one or multiple themes that this quote, anecdote, etc. illustrates.
- Text: The actual quote, anecdote, etc.
- Author: The author / source
Ideally it would also include these fields as well:
- Related (Scriptural) References - If the text was taken from a resource in Logos, this field could also be automatically populated with a link to where it came from. It should allow related Scriptural references as well.
- Visual Copy link / thumbnail: Sure, why not?
Some characteristics:
- This should be a real resource, that I can open and browse through. It should create entries that look something like this (taken from the "300 Quotes for Preachers from the Puritans" resource):
- The results should show up in the respective Guides - in the Illustrations tools, etc. found in the Sermon Starter Guide and other places.
- I should be able to select a text, right click, send it to my tacklebox, and have some of the fields filled out automatically (such as "Text" and "Author"), and then be able to select the other fields and add.
- I should be able to add without selecting a text as well. i.e. just create a new entry from scratch, or copying in from some other document, etc.
- Ideally it should be able to import texts from Word / XML that follow a certain pattern that Faithlife could determine. As well, I should be able to export my collection to that same format, to allow preachers to share and easily expand their tackleboxes with others. Obviously, one place something like this could be shared would be Faithlife, with a Faithlife group to share, well done tackleboxes promoted, etc.
- I should also be able to easily search through my preaching tacklebox based on any of the fields.
Wow again! This would be really useful & another great addition for L7! If implemented, I'd like to be able to gather inputs to it similar to the way Logos now does Clippings. Fr Devin's "fields" would be the meta data that allowed me easy access to the info I'd saved. I especially like the idea of having as many of the fields as possible having automatically suggested (but changeable) entries prior to saving them.
I was initially going to say I didn't want these to be separate resources, but on reflection I've realized that Logos' existing filters (Collections) are so powerful that I don't really care... I can already search ONLY the parts of my library that I'm really interested in seeing results from (Academic, Civil War, Perseus, Pastoral, Counseling, etc.).
So I'll now echo a theme that I've seen several times in reading this thread:
THANK YOU for what 's already in L6 a very powerful tool for libraries, pastors, and... [:)]
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Rosie Perera said:
Fuzzy search!
...searching in the Bible is Logos's specialty. So no excuses anymore, OK? Just do it!
I'll second that simple searches (Bibles, library, & forums) can be MUCH harder than they should be. I'll also second comments that existing help files don't really help on the cases they don't cover. (In this case, there was a way but "Help" wasn't help).
Thanks again for asking & for your so-obvious listening in this thread.Grace & Peace,
Bill
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If I want a quick search of something and the search terms I'm using don't work the first three or four times (often because I'm remembering a verse from a different version), I just do a Google search and almost always find satisfaction. File in the "sad-but-true" folder.
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I would like to see an UNPOINTED Hebrew Text of the BHW. I have to piecemeal Hebrew words letter by letter to get what I want now and it takes forever.
Discussion of this feature here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/70328.aspx
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David Paul said:
I would like to see an UNPOINTED Hebrew Text of the BHW. I have to piecemeal Hebrew words letter by letter to get what I want now and it takes forever.
Discussion of this feature here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/70328.aspx
There's an easier way — simply IGNORE the niqqudim.
george
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BillS said:
Personal Preaching Tacklebox
Every preacher would at least in theory like to have a personal collection of quotes, anecdotes, illustrations, etc. I would like to see Faithlife add a new tool to allow users to easily create and maintain such a resource.
Such a tool needs at least the following fields:
- Type: Quote, Anecdote, Illustration, etc.
- Title: Give a title that sums up the text
- Themes: Selection of one or multiple themes that this quote, anecdote, etc. illustrates.
- Text: The actual quote, anecdote, etc.
- Author: The author / source
Ideally it would also include these fields as well:
- Related (Scriptural) References - If the text was taken from a resource in Logos, this field could also be automatically populated with a link to where it came from. It should allow related Scriptural references as well.
- Visual Copy link / thumbnail: Sure, why not?
This would be a great and really useful feature for those of us who preach or teach - I've never really come up with a satisfactory way of doing this - I use Evernote at the moment, as I also store them from outside Logos, but having something within the program would be great. In fact, this could turn the Clippings document into something far more useful than it is in its present form.
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... Zondervan has a series of books with various perspectives so a wild idea is a topical perspectives explorer. Related crazy idea is a theological perspectives explorer. Prophecy explorer would be awesome: OT fulfilled in NT and yet to be fulfilled. Quickly summarize divergent points of view with searches to dig deeper.
One more explorer idea (with map integration) is descendants of ancient people: e.g. trace Assyrians to modern day ...
I have been casually reviewing this L7 - What Should It Offer? thread and KS4J's suggestion jumped out at me. L6's Psalms Explorer and Proverbs Explorer are so very adept at summarizing a lot of basic information in a very quick/easy to digest format. I don't know how many of KS4J's suggestions are feasible, but I would also add a suggestion for a Denomination Explorer which could trace history/important dates, relation to other denominations/branches, theology and changes in theology, major persons, etc. Hopefully, it could be done with informational graphics similar to the Ps Expl (which are simply outstanding).
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