Hillary Clinton on the Home page of Logos
Is anyone besides me totally disgusted with an article singing the praises of Hillary Clinton as a person of faith on the Logos Home page? Political pandering gone wild! Logos promotes a candidate that endorses the killing of unborn babies for any and every reason is something I cannot support.
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If you are not automatically signed in, then do so (top left corner) choose About and then Channels, and tell the software which news feed you are interested in seeing on your homepage.
The offending posts is coming from the Gospel Herald.
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Dennis Edward Bean said:
Logos promotes a candidate
For clarification: Logos is not promoting anyone. As Lynden mentioned, the article comes from a news source. You can customize those preferences.
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Here, as in many other instances, Logos is the neutral (non-filtering) channel of distribution. They have a customer base covering a wide range of Christian beliefs, and have chosen to offer content from a similar range of third-party providers.
So what you see on your Logos home page is not selected or filtered by Logos; they are not promoting anything. It is unfiltered, from one or more of the content providers, who are the ones doing the promoting. When we disagree with a position asserted by one of those providers, we can (as Lynden has outlined) remove that provider from our own Logos home page.
Ultimately, it is up to us to be the filters for ourselves (and our households, as relevant), and we should not expect that anyone else is going to do that task for us and according to our preferences.
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Thanks Lynden. I thought Faithlife news was news about Faithlife and their products. I never knew there was a way to select channels or that channels even existed. I clicked on the link you posted. The channel selection was on the top right corner. I turned off the Gospel Herald.
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That's the reason why I've deactivated Faithlife News entirely from my Logos Home screen. When I want to read news, I do that elsewhere, and when I open Logos, I don't want to read news. Always too much anger stirring up when I start reading...
Politics is a very ugly business. I've made it a habit, in my own country (not USA), not ever to vote for a major candidate. The whole bunch of them is compromised in one way or the other in endorsing abortion, and if not abortion, then it's stem cell research or some other sort of disguised abortion. I usually pick a candidate who doesn't stand a chance, the more Chistian the better. My vote is lost, but my conscience is clear...
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If you are concerned about the lives of unborn babies (like I am) be sure to nix Gospel Herald from your news feed or cancel the news feed all together.
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I never really understood why Faithlife wanted to put a newsfeed (other than Faithlife news) on the Logos homepage. I'm sure it sounded like a nifty idea in product development meetings, but it is - at best - quite peripheral to the central purpose of the software. It also inevitably results in questions like this one about why a particular story is included, whether it's appropriate, and whether or not Faithlife is implicitly endorsing a particular editorial point of view by including it in the feeds. It seems to me to be creating unnecessary customer complaints without materially improving the value of the program as a study tool.
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Hey Matt, I did just that after reading how from another contributor.
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The news feed is definitely a relic of the weird drift from core competency from which they seem to have mostly recovered.
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And yet how many times do we hear a request or fix is "on the list" or "not sure when we will get to it". It's rather maddening....
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Don Awalt said:
And yet how many times do we hear a request or fix is "on the list" or "not sure when we will get to it". It's rather maddening....
I'm just grateful for what we *do* have already. Such a powerful tool for Bible study!
On this issue of the Newsfeed, it's something I've only just discovered. The first thing I noticed is that on the home page there is no way of knowing (from what I can tell) what the source of the news item is without clicking on it.
It just says: Faithlife News, which can be misleading because this news has nothing to do with Faithlife! It would be good if there was a way of letting us know where this news is coming from before we click.
But I actually like this feature - I can choose where the news comes from, and even suggest news channels.
Personally, Babylon Bee is the only Christian news I need. I've suggested it to FL, although they might not be entirely happy with their coverage!
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yeah, I turned this "feature" off a long time ago!
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Dennis Edward Bean said:
I thought Faithlife news was news about Faithlife and their products. I never knew there was a way to select channels or that channels even existed.
That's why I highly recommend that people ask in the forums first before making suggestions or registering complaints.
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Don Awalt said:
And yet how many times do we hear a request or fix is "on the list" or "not sure when we will get to it". It's rather maddening....
Except with this you have the option to turn it off at your fingertips 😉
Like others said, I'm greatful for what we do have and can control.
DAL
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Can I vote for the editor of the Babylon Bee in November...[8-|]
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Its a wonderful thing to have leaders and the ability to switch off when you don't want to hear what they have to say. An alternative suggestion - keep the news feed going and pray for the salvation of that candidate? (Just an observation). Keep well Paul
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I have Baptist Silver 6.x and wonder where I would go to turn off newsfeeds featuring political liars and self-centered bigots please?
Dennis, thanks for your courageous stand on such issues and the desire that they NOT be randomly interspersed on any of our Logos homepage.
Can anyone show us where to actually turn off such feeds please. Thanks.
God bless whoever successfully becomes President - She or He will certainly need our prayers - of this I am certain.
May whoever it is rely upon Jesus for guidance/care and become/remain a person of integrity and deep God-focused conviction.
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JoshInRI said:
Can anyone show us where to actually turn off such feeds please.
the 2nd post in this thread gives directions and ...
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Jan Krohn said:
That's the reason why I've deactivated Faithlife News entirely from my Logos Home screen. When I want to read news, I do that elsewhere, and when I open Logos, I don't want to read news.
A wise decision!
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Dennis Edward Bean said:
Is anyone besides me totally disgusted with an article singing the praises of Hillary Clinton as a person of faith on the Logos Home page? Political pandering gone wild! Logos promotes a candidate that endorses the killing of unborn babies for any and every reason is something I cannot support.
That is rather disgusting!! I didn't see it...glad I didn't. While I am NOT contrasting her with Trump in any way, since Trump has his own set of issues to be contended with, the idea that the NBC would prop up Hillary as a candidate of faith tells us just how far left the church has moved in the last few decades, and how close we actually are to the end of time. I think our Lord referred to these circumstances as "birth pangs." The idea that any church would give a platform to ANY candidate (Republican Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, etc) that does not strongly and clearly stand for the sanctify of life is very distressing on one side of the coin, yet to be expected, from what we know about the watering down of the gospel for the approaching end times, on the other side of the coin.
Im with the one who suggested turning FL news off altogether, so as not to risk getting my blood boiling when Im trying to begin Bible study! LOL.
But this does beg the question...since these channel options are preselected by Faithlife, why would they even provide liberal news outlets like the GH and the CP to begin with? Why not have just a few, solid, conservative options? I think that would be the wise, Christ-honoring thing to do.
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Myke Harbuck said:
That is rather disgusting!!
Actually it is the response I find rather disgusting ... everyone should recognize that Logos offers resources and links to view other than one's own. So why not simply (a) not read the article - just like you don't read something of no interest (b) turn off the news feed or news source depending upon your personal choice and (c) quietly move on.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I am glad to share with all you that I contacted Logos via email about my concerns at the same time I posted on this forum. I have received several encouraging emails from Logos. One explained how the Faithlife News is an automated process that has no one reviewing the articles. I was also informed that a former employee set the whole system up and that Logos is reviewing the process and will be making positive changes in the future. I am elated that Logos listens and cares about the feedback they receive from those who use their products.
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I for one will be very upset if they move the feed to an even more conservative bent but then Verbum doesn't offer the feed at all. I simply use both Logos and Verbum to be sure I have the right information on how Logos works. I have, however, previously offered Faithlife a list of several newsites they might add to have a more balanced Protestant view.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I always find it interesting when the Christians aren't too happy with the Divine governmental selections .... of course us US'ers won't know His new selection until early November. My fundementalist sister was none too happy with the previous selection; I reminded her of the Selector.
For the curious, it's surprising how many times in the Bible, that the point is repeated. Test out your Logos topic search.
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Dear Faithlife,
I appreciate having a variety of channels from which to choose and the option to have the feed on my homepage, or not.
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Roger Dittmar said:
Dear Faithlife,
I appreciate having a variety of channels from which to choose and the option to have the feed on my homepage, or not.
And if you don't like it change the channel or turn it off 😁 What are you going to do, leave the country if Hillary gets elected? Come on people, grow up! Stop being so nitpicky 😜
DAL
Ps. Thank you FL for giving us options and to be able to choose between the many leaser evils (e.g. Trump vs Hillary) LOL
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MJ. Smith said:
I for one will be very upset if they move the feed to an even more conservative bent but then Verbum doesn't offer the feed at all. I simply use both Logos and Verbum to be sure I have the right information on how Logos works. I have, however, previously offered Faithlife a list of several newsites they might add to have a more balanced Protestant view.
Thanks MJ for making the suggestions to Faithlife and I agree with your earlier observation about the response. In these latter days especially its healthy to consider reading material from wide range of sources and especially authors with balance - this goes for theological and biblical studies as well as the news from the media. People certainly have the freedom for righteous anger' in many areas of life - but isn't it misplaced at a news feed? Few issues in life are so easily resolved as this one. Keep well Paul
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Who is Hillary Clinton?
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MJ
I would be happy if Logos / FL posted more conservative news feeds. I get angry when I see Logos / FL posting something like this with Clinton when her stand is not Biblical, but anti she also has and continues to support LGBTG just like Obama which I also have not use for. These people are not our brothers & sisters in the faith regardless of what the claim to be. As the Bible says "You will know them by their fruits". And their fruit is anti-Christian.L4 BS, L5 RB & Gold, L6 S & R Platinum, L7 Platinum, L8 Baptist Platinum, L9 Baptist Platinum, L10 Baptist Silver
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MJ - "I have, however, previously offered Faithlife a list of several newsites they might add to have a more balanced Protestant view."
Request to MJ,
I unsuccessfully searched for a previous posting of your recommended newsite list. Would you be wiling to share your list in the forums?
Thank you!
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Dennis Edward Bean said:
Thanks Lynden. I thought Faithlife news was news about Faithlife and their products. I never knew there was a way to select channels or that channels even existed. I clicked on the link you posted. The channel selection was on the top right corner. I turned off the Gospel Herald.
I have to say I didn't know this either! Thanks!
Cynthia
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DAL said:Roger Dittmar said:
Dear Faithlife,
I appreciate having a variety of channels from which to choose and the option to have the feed on my homepage, or not.
And if you don't like it change the channel or turn it off 😁 What are you going to do, leave the country if Hillary gets elected? Come on people, grow up! Stop being so nitpicky 😜
DAL
Ps. Thank you FL for giving us options and to be able to choose between the many leaser evils (e.g. Trump vs Hillary) LOL
DAL: Have you considered that the OP, like me, didn't even KNOW that you can turn them off. Consider giving people the benefit of the doubt before calling them names.
Unless, of course, you're perfect.
Oh wait, that's Jesus, and even though He is perfect, He says,"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men." Luke 6:35
Cynthia
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Unreal!!
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Would Faithlife Newsfeed be a better name?
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Roger Dittmar said:
I unsuccessfully searched for a previous posting of your recommended newsite list. Would you be wiling to share your list in the forums?
On the page where you select the newsfeeds you want there is an option to suggest additional newsfeeds. That is what I used. I don't recall specifically which ones I recommended ... only that I decided 6 suggestions was a limit. I's sure I would have included http://www.anglicannews.org/ , likely http://religionnews.com/ ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Lee said:
I get angry when I see Logos / FL posting something like this with Clinton when her stand is not Biblical, but anti she also has and continues to support LGBTG just like Obama which I also have not use for. These people are not our brothers & sisters in the faith regardless of what the claim to be. As the Bible says "You will know them by their fruits". And their fruit is anti-Christian.
And this is the type of post that annoys me. Should I write Faithlife and demand that they take down the forums? Of course not, despite the fact I believe it to represent a non-Christan view. I should either stop reading once I see what the post is - irrelevant to the forums and personally offensive - or if I read it, simply remember that there are others on the forums with tightly held beliefs that I disagree with. Perhaps even chuckle a bit sometimes at the abuse of reasonable hermeneutics ... sometimes cry a bit about the state of education and the culture of fear in our nation. But as long as the post is not abusing the guidelines in the sense of abusing a group of people, I have no reason to complain. I simply don't want Logos to play censor ... I'm still annoyed about Dracula. Logos users should be their own censors.
Note: if I were to install Logos on every desk of a grade school, then I would censor what was visible to the students while assuming that the children were being taught to censor their own reading.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Cynthia in Florida said:Dennis Edward Bean said:
Thanks Lynden. I thought Faithlife news was news about Faithlife and their products. I never knew there was a way to select channels or that channels even existed. I clicked on the link you posted. The channel selection was on the top right corner. I turned off the Gospel Herald.
I have to say I didn't know this either! Thanks!
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
On the page where you select the newsfeeds you want there is an option to suggest additional newsfeeds. That is what I used. I don't recall specifically which ones I recommended ... only that I decided 6 suggestions was a limit. I's sure I would have included http://www.anglicannews.org/ , likely http://religionnews.com/ ...
MJ - Thank you for the feedback.
Roger
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MJ. Smith said:Cynthia in Florida said:Dennis Edward Bean said:
Thanks Lynden. I thought Faithlife news was news about Faithlife and their products. I never knew there was a way to select channels or that channels even existed. I clicked on the link you posted. The channel selection was on the top right corner. I turned off the Gospel Herald.
I have to say I didn't know this either! Thanks!
See you need to read ALL of the tips of the day TIP of the day: Christian News your way
It's hard keeping up with you girlfriend! Like I asked before...DO YOU EVER SLEEP????
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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fgh said:
Would Faithlife Newsfeed be a better name?
YES, because I have to admit that the lines get blurry when they call it Faithlife News. It makes it sound like it's coming from them, especially if, like me, one didn't even know that it was a feed. I don't click on them a lot, but today I learned I can actually CHOOSE the feeds.
Always learning!
Cynthia
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Perhaps a link in the gear to take you to the website. Once you get to the website, video instruction on how to choose the different news feed.
I would love to have my denomination's news feed come up on the Homepage.
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Having news feed from official denominational sites in one handy place would be quite convenient for me. Since they are optional (make it easier to configure) those not interested can turn the feature off, or unsubscribe form them.
When setting up the software for the first time, the user can be given to option to configure which feeds show if any at all.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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And this is the type of post that annoys me. Should I write Faithlife and demand that they take down the forums? Of course not, despite the fact I believe it to represent a non-Christan view
MJ how is it non-Christian to call SIN what it is SIN? I think it is more non-Christian to not point out what God condemns as Sin in the Bible.
We only need to look and the Word is very clear Rev 2:14 and 2:20 and here it is Jesus speaking, Romans 1:21-32 is even more detailed. I am sorry but I will follow what the Bible calls Christian or non-Christian.
I don't always agree with what you say but i don't make statements either like maybe i should write to faith life and have demand that the remove your post.
What annoys me is when people call themselves Christian and then do things that are clearly non-Christian.
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Lee said:
And this is the type of post that annoys me. Should I write Faithlife and demand that they take down the forums? Of course not, despite the fact I believe it to represent a non-Christan view
MJ how is it non-Christian to call SIN what it is SIN? I think it is more non-Christian to not point out what God condemns as Sin in the Bible.
We only need to look and the Word is very clear Rev 2:14 and 2:20 and here it is Jesus speaking, Romans 1:21-32 is even more detailed. I am sorry but I will follow what the Bible calls Christian or non-Christian.
I don't always agree with what you say but i don't make statements either like maybe i should write to faith life and have demand that the remove your post.
What annoys me is when people call themselves Christian and then do things that are clearly non-Christian.
Lee - What has being Christian really to do with the issue? You disagree with a newsfeed for your own reasons and the solution is for you to take action to switch off your own access to it. The solution is in your own hands.
As to changing what should come along the Faithlife news feed - there may be Christians who disagree and wish to receive the newsfeed undisturbed. It is not sinful for them to wish to know something Clinton might be saying. People who disagree with Clinton may also like to keep abreast of her speeches for their own reasons. A spread of ideas, even ones we disagree with, is part of the fabric of freedom. And what of Faithlife which sells many types of books which people of different faiths may read and also access the newsfeed. People of those faiths also need to be considered before anyone interferes with what comes along the newsfeed. Think for a moment - why should Faithlife newsfeed be confined to what is Christian?
The debate about the scope of material that comes through the newsfeed is healthy and means people are thinking about how they may be impacted by what comes into their homes and offices via their electronic gear. These days its easy for us as committed Christians to get annoyed by politicians and particular news items, but hopefully when we actually meet those with whom we disagree, we will hear them and try to win them over with gentleness and patience. Keep well Paul
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Lee said:
What annoys me is when people call themselves Christian and then do things that are clearly non-Christian.
We agree on this ... however, let me give you a bit of context:
- my niece and my aunt carried on the name of Anne Marbury (Hutchinson) who was kicked out of Boston Colony for preaching the losing theology (Antinomian Controversy). Obviously we have not forgotten the injustice
- I am a direct descendant of Rebecca Nourse - executed as a witch by the Salem Colony. Again obviously we have not forgotten the injustice.
- A high school friend (and table tennis partner) was murdered together with his family for slander still promoted against his parents some 23 years after our community found it to be slander in court.
- I can list several cases of governmental mistreatment or individual prejudice against Native Americans that family members were party to and outraged by ... and was personally harassed by police in college for dating a person whose skin didn't match mine.
Therefore I feel very strongly about certain American values:
- free press
- equal standing under the law
- government independent of religion
- freedom of religion
So yes, I get annoyed when people try to censor what I can read, try to judge others without actually knowing the people and talking to them about their actual views (e.g. it is possible to be strongly pro-life without believing that secular law is the best way to achieve moral behavior), hide behind their personal religious beliefs when those beliefs lack historical and cultural depth (e.g. being pro-life while ignoring the related issues of euthanasia, death penalty and just war) ... I am personally conservative in a very rural sense but that conservatism is built on a very strong base of freedoms and responsibilities.
Lee said:I don't always agree with what you say but i don't make statements either like maybe i should write to faith life and have demand that the remove your post.
I assume that you recognized the rhetorical device being used ... one used frequently to evoke the response "of course not" as a way to point out similarity and hence, self recognition.
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