There has to be an issue with the publisher on this. How are these volumes not in Logos yet?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/066422721X/ref=ox_ya_os_product
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0664227228/ref=ox_ya_os_product
I have them in print and I much prefer them over Hone and James that I have in Logos. Together they equal almost 1300 pages, which dwarfs Hone and James.
I would be interested to hear from someone at Logos concerning these. Surely these have been discussed at Logos?
I too am surprised we haven't seen these yet. No question this is a MUST for Logos. Waiting patiently ....
This came up in another thread, so I am resurrecting it!
I put a link to this thread in Request: Resources from Westminster John Knox Press. That will ensure Gabe sees it.
Awesome, thanks!
I would love to know why this has not been introduced in Pre-Pub. There must be a problem with gaining the rights, as I can't imagine that this set would not sell quickly!
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3R9TQ06TCOPQS/ref=cm_cr_dp_title/192-1135543-6211757?ie=UTF8&ASIN=066422721X&nodeID=283155&store=books
I don't understand. Are you saying that we should not have them because of the review? The comments under his review clear up his confusion.
I'd have to get an answer from someone that actually has access to it. The reply was a gimme. I've no issue with Logos adding it; but I'd assume during pre-pub'ing, many would have the same question: exactly what's included.
Keep it mind the comment came from your reference.
The full tables of contents are in the links. I also own the paper volumes, so I suggested them because I like them. I added the links because they show the contents and the exact items I was talking about.
And again.
I would still like to see these!
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I would also like to bring this one back around. These are vital resources which cover different ground than any other collections of the noncanonical books related to the NT, including the new The New Testament Apocrypha: More Noncanonical Scriptures which are now available in Logos. The two volumes are published by Westminster John Knox Press, with whom Logos already has a relationship. They are the standard New Testament Apocrypha volumes.
Is there any chance we can look into getting these?
I would also like to bring this one back around. These are vital resources which cover different ground than any other collections of the noncanonical books related to the NT, including the new The New Testament Apocrypha: More Noncanonical Scriptures which are now available in Logos. The two volumes are published by Westminster John Knox Press, with whom Logos already has a relationship. They are the standard New Testament Apocrypha volumes. Is there any chance we can look into getting these?
Sorry there has been no response Joseph, I will see if we can get these into Logos.
Thank you, Mike. I hope Logos can acquire these! Oh, and did I forget to say, "soon"?[:)]
Thanks again, Mike!
Unfortunately, the publisher does not have digital files for Schneemelcher's two-volumes, and it would be cost-prohibitive to create them from scans.
Rick,
Thanks for your reply, but I have a couple of questions. In the past Logos made hundreds of books that had to be scanned and were less popular than Schneemelcher's work be. Why is Scanning now so cost prohibitive? Second question, Logos in the past put into production quite a few books that were not money makers, but were felt to be necessary to the Logos ecosystem. Is that outlook about producing marginal books gone new?
@Bobby Terhune all good questions. There are numerous factors in play. Cost of scanning books to digitize them has indeed increased over the years. We are continuing to produce some content that is not as profitable because of the needs of the user base, but we also have to be judicious in what is produced. We have production budgets every year, and to be good stewards of the resources we've been given, we sometimes have to be selective.
Personally, I'd love to have these two titles in Logos. I have them in print on the bookshelves behind me as you can see in the attached photo. But even I have to careful not to let what I would personally like to have in Logos overshadow what is best for both users and the company combined. These are the factors we always have to weigh carefully.
There are a couple of potential means for these volumes to still be produced, however. Rarely are such things impossible as an absolute. (1) If a university or seminary requested these titles, that would carry a good amount of influential weight. (2) In the request section of the forums, if there was just overwhelming demand for a title, we can re-evaluate it and at least put it in pre-pub status.
So, there's always hope :-)
My thinking is that these two volumes are standard academic primary sources, and if Logos wants to corner the market on Bible research software, then the standard primary sources must be available, regardless of other factors.
I know that people use Logos for different reasons, but it is supposed to be first and foremost a "research" library system. I read other books in Logos because it is convenient, but I invested in Logos originally and still use it mainly for academic research. I expect that if nothing else, primary sources will be available, and this is a pretty major primary source set.
I would think that the availability of such primary sources in digital format would draw the universities rather than expecting them to ask that something be made available down the road at some point in time.
EDIT: To be clear though, there is nothing that compares to Logos as a research system, so I'm not complaining there. I just wish that standard academic works and parts of existing collections were pushed through without some of the other considerations. With that said, I know there is only so much money, and that model may not be feasible.
My thinking is that these two volumes are standard academic primary sources, and if Logos wants to corner the market on Bible research software, then the standard primary sources must be available, regardless of other factors. ( @Joseph Turner , above)
Joseph is so right on here. And this is why I bugged the rights folks at Logos while I was there for these volumes. I'd always deduced it had something to do with the licensing of the translation from the German original (and maybe it did originally) but believe the files thing too. The text is jammed on the page and might be difficult to reliably OCR.
Anyway, add my +1 to the suggestion. Make it happen, @Rick Mansfield (Logos)! While there are parts of the translations in this volume I do not like, the introductions are mostly wonderful and worth the price of admission. I have the paperbacks on the shelf and have read them cover to cover.
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