Rights restricted on vyrso.com but not on logos.com

Disciple of Christ (doc) said:

a book like this should not be in vyrso format due to the large number of bible reference links in a resource like it, but that's another issue.

OT but to your issue: There's no reason a book with a large number of bible reference links not to be in Vyrso. The Vyrso book compiler works much like the PB compiler and will detect bible references automatically - even if there are many of them.

What throws this automation off is incomplete references referring not to the same book / chapter than the last reference. Typically this does not occur in topical books with large numbers of references, but in commentary resources, monographs dealing with one book/chapter/verse or bible book surveys, where the reader has the advantage of meta-knowledge (this whole resource/this chapter in the resource is about Jeremiah (chap 39), so any incomplete bible verse reference out of the blue, e.g. "as we clearly see in v.7" will refer to this book/chapter, rather than to the last reference used).   

Disciple of Christ (doc) said:

Typically is not a satisfactory situation for my user experience of these resources that don't typically include full references.  Vyrso as a result is not able to keep its claims  about the features and benefits of the app,  because as you point out, less than full references do not always compile in the correct way because they don't always refer to the same book / chapter as the last full reference.

Well, I made the test. Since - as you pointed out in your original post - as an international customer I'm not allowed to buy that Vyrso book, I decided to look for a book that would have a large number of references and be a topical theological work, then to look up the scripture references. I went for edition:e -fiction in my library, selected publisher Abingdon (I think everyone agrees most of their Vyrso offers would belong into Logos format if they just were willing to contract that with Faithlife) and settled for Joel B. Green's "Why Salvation?" ( Logos URL )  which clearly is a scholarly work. I checked the first 50 bible references - which gets me through introduction unto somewhere in the middle of the first chapter - and found the following:

• all surface-text bible references are intact (i.e. they are detected and lead to the place where they should lead to), not one goes astray
• this refers to chapter and verse references, including incomplete references
• this even works for obscure apocrypha references to 4 Ezra (which are displayed correctly in 2 Esdras on mouse over according to the NRSV bible verse map)
• the only instance of mistaken references is in footnote 1 where the author explains the complex situation of 4 Ezra. The chapter numbers are not meant as bible references but mistakenly assumed to refer to a different book, Phil.
• other than that, the resource shows no issues at all of minor quality in the text and layout; footnotes, Greek and Hebrew text are proper.

Disciple of Christ (doc) said:

You will never convince me there is a place for books like this in Vyrso

Well, they are 'here', and some seem to stay.

To make myself clear: I very strongly prefer having a book in Vyrso rather than not at all (and especially with some publishers, like with Abingdon, those are the only two alternatives). Moreover, Faithlife will pull books with quality issues from Vyrso - but lobbying for the exclusion of books will make the lives of those people poorer who'd like to read them in their Logos installation rather than to buy a kindle or ePub version of it, while it doesn't make anybody better off.There are way too many books held from Vyrso because Faithlife believes they may 'someday' publish them in Logos format (these will surely start showing up in PrePub soon after EEC has been fully released - make sure your grandchildren look out for it )  

In fact, in those cases where a pulisher works with both platforms, it seems our choices would be having it in Vyrso now or having it much later and locked up in a rather expensive bundle in Logos. Most often we can't choose, but if I could, then I'd often prefer the Vyrso edition and wouldn't care much about the barely noticeable differences to Logos versions.  

Dan Francis said:

NB Mick the point is the book is sold unrestricted in Logos as part of that 2 book upgrade.

I got that point. I just choose not to comment on it, but on an OT remark I cited.

Dan Francis said:

One thing in particular I will say is if the package is ever broken up it will obviously be pulled from Vyrso

Maybe they will pull the resource from Varso even now. One reason for me to post was that I think nobody buying such a resource from Vyrso (now that it's still available) needs to fear they get only something so inferior that it is practically unusable.

Dan Francis said:

perhaps FL decided rights for the standalone version need not be pursued beyond their primary market of North America.

We have no basis for such speculations. It seems they currently believe they have the rights to sell the resource (as part of a bundle) from Logos.com globally. Otherwise there would be a rights restriction or an "international version" of the bundle on logos.com. If something is amiss with the international rights at all, it is much more probable that this was overlooked and might now be 'corrected'. Those non-NA-customers who are interested should buy as long there's a chance to do so.