Free LOGOS 7 Question
What new features does the FREE LOGOS 7 upgrade add to LOGOS 6? From what I read, the latest LOGOS 6 and the FREE LOGOS 7 are code identical. So I gain nothing for upgrading to the FREE LOGOS 7?
Is this correct?
Blessings,
Floyd
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Floyd Johnson said:
What new features does the FREE LOGOS 7 upgrade add to LOGOS 6? From what I read, the latest LOGOS 6 and the FREE LOGOS 7 are code identical. So I gain nothing for upgrading to the FREE LOGOS 7?
Is this correct?
No. "Code identical" means that the features of Logos 7 are already in the latest Logos 6, provided you have a licence to use them - such as the one coming with Logos Now. If you were a Logos Now member, you wouldn't get any new features (and probably no new resources either) from updating to L7, since you already enjoy them. Otherwise, upgrading to Logos 7 will unlock those features and resources that are part of the free L7 Basic (formerly called free engine, but comes with some resources for those who own no library, since many features old and new don't make sense without resources)
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Floyd Johnson said:
What new features does the FREE LOGOS 7 upgrade add to LOGOS 6? From what I read, the latest LOGOS 6 and the FREE LOGOS 7 are code identical. So I gain nothing for upgrading to the FREE LOGOS 7?
Is this correct?
In addition, the statement you mentioned was true at the time 7.0 initially launched. Since that time there have been a number of bug fixes and improvements made to 7 which will be available to you even if you acquired no new resources from the upgrade package.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Floyd Johnson said:
What new features does the FREE LOGOS 7 upgrade add to LOGOS 6? From what I read, the latest LOGOS 6 and the FREE LOGOS 7 are code identical. So I gain nothing for upgrading to the FREE LOGOS 7?
Is this correct?
The only features that you gain from L7 is if you are a Logos Now member. If you are, $99 a year totally worth it, then you have all of the L7 Data sets and features. If you download the free Logos 7 engine without Logos Now, you get no new features, just the engine.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said: If you download the free Logos 7 engine without Logos Now, you get no new features, just the engine.
That isn't correct, although I don't have a list of "new" features.
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alabama24 said:
Pastor Michael Huffman said:
If you download the free Logos 7 engine without Logos Now, you get no new features, just the engine.
That isn't correct, although I don't have a list of "new" features.
If you already own a feature set, you won't be able to see the features on the product page, unless you sign out of the site or visit the page in private browsing mode.
Here's a pasted list of Logos 7 Basic features, if you just want to see what they are.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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The wiki page comparing features of the free Logos 6 engine to paid Logos 6 (also Logos 4 and 5) indicates that Factbook is not a feature of the Logos 6 free engine. I saw a screenshot of the Logos 7 Basic that showed that Factbook appeared to be a functional tool (not grayed out). If that is correct, that is an upgrade in function from Logos 6 to 7. Can anyone verify that Factbook is functional in Logos 7 Basic?
Wiki Comparison Page showing features that work in the free Logos 6 engine. A blank means a feature is functional if resources are owned that feature can utilize:
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Kristine Lewis said:
The wiki page comparing features of the free Logos 6 engine to paid Logos 6 (also Logos 4 and 5) indicates that Factbook is not a feature of the Logos 6 free engine. I saw a screenshot of the Logos 7 Basic that showed that Factbook appeared to be a functional tool (not grayed out). If that is correct, that is an upgrade in function from Logos 6 to 7. Can anyone verify that Factbook is functional in Logos 7 Basic?
Wiki Comparison Page showing features that work in the free Logos 6 engine. A blank means a feature is functional if resources are owned that feature can utilize:
Factbook is available in limited form. The People datasets are included in the package, but not some of the other datasets such as Places, etc.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I already had Logos 7 Gold Standard but, by 'purchasing' the free Logos 7 Basic version I got a few new books. Same thing with the free Verbum Basic.
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Gordon Jones said:
I already had Logos 7 Gold Standard but, by 'purchasing' the free Logos 7 Basic version I got a few new books. Same thing with the free Verbum Basic.
Me too, but just to clarify, we got access to a few new books, not ownership of a few new books. If we purchase anything in the future that contains those resources, we wouldn't be eligible for dynamic pricing for them, and will be paying for them to permanently own them.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Factbook is available in limited form. The People datasets are included in the package, but not some of the other datasets such as Places, etc.
Logos wiki has Upgrading to Logos 7 feature comparison => https://wiki.logos.com/Upgrading_to_Logos_7#Feature_Comparison that includes Basic.
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But I am not sure the Basic version is the same as the Free version. If I understand correctly, there are four versions of LOGOS 7 out there:
- Free Version
- Basic Version
- Full Feature Set
- Extended Full Feature Set
The Free Version is essentially the same as the un-upgraded LOGOS 6, if you have upgraded to LOGOS 6 at sometime in the past.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
But I am not sure the Basic version is the same as the Free version. If I understand correctly, there are four versions of LOGOS 7 out there:
- Free Version
- Basic Version
- Full Feature Set
- Extended Full Feature Set
The Free Version is essentially the same as the un-upgraded LOGOS 6, if you have upgraded to LOGOS 6 at sometime in the past.
The impression I get from FL's Logos 7 Basic Available Now (formerly free core engine) thread is that "Logos 7 Basic is the free version of our Logos Bible Study application."
I think the free Basic version is meant to be a replacement for what previously was the free core engine. It includes what was the free core engine, plus free access to some resources and features.
I'd say the four (ownership) tiers now are:
- Basic Feature Set
- Starter Feature Set
- Full Feature Set
- Extended Feature Set
To be complete, a customer could subscribe to Now, instead of buying a particular feature set.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Floyd Johnson said:
But I am not sure the Basic version is the same as the Free version. If I understand correctly, there are four versions of LOGOS 7 out there:
No. The L7 engine DOES have new features which the L6 engine does not have. Furthermore, in previous releases, there was a "free core engine." That has now been replaced with the "Basic" edition. See HERE.
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It is still possible to install the L7 core engine for a user who owns no feature set at all. I don't think we're supposed to do that, but technically it's still a possibility... (I did it anyway for my daughter so that she can use Bible word puzzles without messing my account...)
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Jan Krohn said:
It is still possible to install the L7 core engine for a user who owns no feature set at all.
Jan, the free engine is now part of Logos Basic. It will add some temporarily licensed resources and features plus the free engine. Anyone can download and install it.
Jan Krohn said:I don't think we're supposed to do that,
Perhaps I misunderstand, but one was always allowed to download just the free engine when it was made available. There have always been a few free resources that you could download and run on the free engine.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
Perhaps I misunderstand, but one was always allowed to download just the free engine when it was made available.
I think he just means that it wasn't publicly available, so "we weren't supposed to do that." The "thing" we really weren't supposed to do is to provide download links to others. I don't think his daughter would fall into the impermissible camp. [:)]
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alabama24 said:
The "thing" we really weren't supposed to do is to provide download links to others. I don't think his daughter would fall into the impermissible camp.
True, but now he has no limitations.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:Jan Krohn said:
It is still possible to install the L7 core engine for a user who owns no feature set at all.
Jan, the free engine is now part of Logos Basic. It will add some temporarily licensed resources and features plus the free engine. Anyone can download and install it.
Jan Krohn said:I don't think we're supposed to do that,
Perhaps I misunderstand, but one was always allowed to download just the free engine when it was made available. There have always been a few free resources that you could download and run on the free engine.
I bolded Mark's words.
If I understand L7 Basic, it's until Faithlife decides on its next great idea.
I've no dog in this offer, but at church, I'm not sure what I'd tell anyone ... it's a limited time sample? ... it's free for a really long time? Or take your chances?
I'm referring to how much effort must be expended to profitably use it before it disappears, presumably.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
If I understand L7 Basic, it's until Faithlife decides on its next great idea.
I've no dog in this offer, but at church, I'm not sure what I'd tell anyone ... it's a limited time sample? ... it's free for a really long time? Or take your chances?
Even if it did go away eventually, which is unlikely, the customer isn't any worse off than if they had upgraded to the old free core engine. Free is free.
(Personally, I can't see how someone could contentedly use Basic for a long time without eventually buying a base package or Logos Now subscription.)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Denise said:
If I understand L7 Basic, it's until Faithlife decides on its next great idea.
I'm not sure why FL chose to make the licenses temporary, but I also don't note anything in what we've been told that would lead me to believe the product is temporary.
Denise said:I'm referring to how much effort must be expended to profitably use it
My guess is that most people who download this as their only Logos product will likely be content to use the Home Page to invoke most of their studies or to use the stock layouts FL has provided. Those who want to go further may become paying customers at some point so no issue with your possible loss of the product thought.
I see it as a generous offer from FL and will probably recommend it to some members of our church.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Denise said:
I've no dog in this offer, but at church, I'm not sure what I'd tell anyone ... it's a limited time sample? ... it's free for a really long time? Or take your chances?
Thankful for Basic unlimited time to try out many Logos 7 and Verbum 7 features before spending a dime (or more).
Thankful for => Basic and => Verbum Basic product pages including:
*The features, datasets, and books provided in Logos 7 Basic are “access-only”, which means you have access to them, but do not own them permanently.
Temporary licenses reflect no impact on dynamic pricing for subsequent purchase(s) and/or rental(s). Thankful for Logos and Verbum applications now having free collections, which is similar to mobile "access-only" free bundles => List of books that come with app for new user.
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PetahChristian said:Denise said:
If I understand L7 Basic, it's until Faithlife decides on its next great idea.
I've no dog in this offer, but at church, I'm not sure what I'd tell anyone ... it's a limited time sample? ... it's free for a really long time? Or take your chances?
Even if it did go away eventually, which is unlikely, the customer isn't any worse off than if they had upgraded to the old free core engine. Free is free.
(Personally, I can't see how someone could contentedly use Basic for a long time without eventually buying a base package or Logos Now subscription.)
In my mind, Logos7 Basic is probably enough for 99% of the market (looking at experience in other Bible platforms). Probably add a favorite author, though Kindle will intrude. Given the high Logos learning curve and buy-in, I do wonder.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark Smith said:
I'm not sure why FL chose to make the licenses temporary, but I also don't note anything in what we've been told that would lead me to believe the product is temporary.
I think that is a limitation of the storefront. If the licenses were permanent (owned), the store would dynamically discount any library or feature set containing those resources.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
I think that is a limitation of the storefront. If the licenses were permanent (owned), the store would dynamically discount any library or feature set containing those resources.
That sounds right.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
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