MArchmadness Suprises
Is anyone else shocked at the outcome of this years marchmadness?
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Yep, people keep making the same mistake...voting for older works instead of the more recent scholarship. 🤔🙄 And yes, that includes voting for freaking Spurgeon!
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Shocked? No. Frustrated? Yes.
Please allow me to vote in such a manner as to ensure that at the end of the day I can get 70% off to $10 resource while also ensuring that the $70 resource only goes at 30%.[:@]
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DAL said:
Yep, people keep making the same mistake...voting for older works instead of the more recent scholarship. 🤔🙄 And yes, that includes voting for freaking Spurgeon! DAL
I suspect people are going to vote for what they find appealing or useful. I wouldn't be surprised if denominational preference also played a part
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I may be misremembering... but didn't they used to group the older authors (15th century - 19th century) together into head-to-head competitions? I am similarly frustrated (especially with the Spurgeon & Augustine wins).
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It must be a name recognition thing. I can't believe how big Chesterton is winning by. If you think a bracket challenge for college basketball is hard to predict. I can't imagine trying to pick this one. The only thing we know is that Carson and Wright won't win, but who will win is anyone's guess. The more my guys loose early, the more my wallet breathes a sigh of relief.
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Maybe the losers so far this year were winners last and people bought what they have offered. Needed new winners this year.
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David Ruley said:
The only thing we know is that Carson and Wright won't win,
And the only problem is that, unless you are fairly new to bible scholarship you probably have most of Carson and Wrights work.
What is lacking in this exercise is any real imagination.
I simply haven't bothered looking this year.
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Mike Binks said:
And the only problem is that, unless you are fairly new to bible scholarship you probably have most of Carson and Wrights work.
I checked and after 12 years of Logosian investing, I have one resource Wright slipped in on, and the NT/OT one from Carson. That took hard work. I regard these guys as 'play it again, Sam!'
Judging from the comments, and if you were a coder, there's an error in the array variable.
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I will agree about saving money. If John MacArthur had made it to about 50 or 60% off I would be buying those commentaries. Maybe next year.
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As much as users have been begging for Logos and Moody to get together and bring back MacArthur's commentaries, I'm surprised that he was eliminated in the first round.
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I agree with you you SteveHD on the MacArthur Commentaries. If John MacArthur had made it to about 50 or 60% I would have bought every one of those commentaries.
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Robert Peters said:
Is anyone else shocked at the outcome of this years marchmadness?
May I ask what shocked you?
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Mike Binks said:
And the only problem is that, unless you are fairly new to bible scholarship you probably have most of Carson and Wrights work.
I am fairly new to biblical scholarship as I am sure many Logos users are as well. I have the works of Wright that I want, but I am lacking some resources from Carson that I would like, but I can't pull the trigger at only 45% when I know he could go 75% if given a chance. I am sure on the forums I am the minority, but I am sure I am the majority when it comes to Logos users. I think March Madness is more for newer users than for older and some users will outgrow it if they regularly add resources to their library.
Mike Binks said:What is lacking in this exercise is any real imagination.
March Madness does seem to repeat the same authors every year though. The new ones for this year are Keller (just added to Logos last year), Futato (already out), and Stott (available in Reformed and Anglican Starter). I only have data for the last two years, but it looks like most authors perform about the same each year. The only ones who look to be over performing is Wiersbe if he beats Lightfoot (both 30% authors, one of which will go 40% or better) and Warfield. By over performing, I mean going at least two rounds what they have done the last two years. Bonhoeffer, Chapell, Evans, and Marshall all look to have under performed. I am sure with more data I could see better trends, but all I have is what I have collected. I am sure over the next several years I will see more clarity.
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David Ruley said:
I think March Madness is more for newer users than for older
That's an interesting observation which I think may be correct. Certainly the longer one has Logos and hangs out on the forums the more likely they have already taken advantage of previous sales.
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Ken Hicks said:
I may be misremembering... but didn't they used to group the older authors (15th century - 19th century) together into head-to-head competitions? I am similarly frustrated (especially with the Spurgeon & Augustine wins).
I for one would love to get some of the newer translations of Augustine at a good discount - translations that are finally in Logos and filtering down into a few collections...
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Yes, it would nice if e.g. Anchor Bible Commentary authors (Brown, Fitzmeyer) could go beyond 30%, since those are all $60 a pop.
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I would just like to through this in.
If an Author is very important to you Please talk up tell us Why we need to vote for him or her.
For example I do not count the number of works someone has that Logos might discount because of the sale.
My view is to vote on who I might want to add to my Library.
Edited like Ben did above, for me this would be helpful.
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I vote for the author that has the resources I am looking to add to my library - not just because I like the author over another.
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scooter said:Robert Peters said:
Is anyone else shocked at the outcome of this years marchmadness?
May I ask what shocked you?
I am shocked that keller, who looks to loose this round. I am also shock so many author who one can get in a base package for cheaper are beating other guys like wesley, chesterton, etc
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Robert Peters said:
I am also shock so many author who one can get in a base package for cheaper are beating other guys like wesley, chesterton, etc
I do not purchase base packages. I pick my books at FL 1 at a time. For me its cheaper this way than thru a package, where, although the cost per volume is less, the overall hit is greater. If an aunt I have never heard of passes + leaves me lots of FL money, I will buy packages.
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Robert Peters said:
I am shocked that keller, who looks to loose this round.
I think you may be premature in your forecast as currently there only only a few hundred votes whereas there were 5,000 votes in the Keller round last time.
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Aren't people stupid to vote for what they want instead of what I want?
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Michael Childs said:
Aren't people stupid to vote for what they want instead of what I want?
yes, agreed. except replacing I with you. or you with me. or something to that effect! [;)]
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Ben said:
Yes, it would nice if e.g. Anchor Bible Commentary authors (Brown, Fitzmeyer) could go beyond 30%, since those are all $60 a pop.
yeah, I did not like who they were paired with. I can't imagine having to do the bracket each year--someone will be unhappy. But I would have liked to see some of the Catholic authors (and I am not Catholic) at least go head to head to ensure one of them went on. Brown v. Fitzmeyer. . . that would have been tough. I definitely think Logos might consider in the future including a little blurb under each one to inform others of that author's worth.
I'm guessing that SOME of this is set up for potential sales. Well, all of it, that is. [:D]
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First thanks to logos for even doing this!! Maybe it would be nice if they gave a whole division to Catholicism. Just a thought.
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Mathew Haferkamp said:
First thanks to logos for even doing this!! Maybe it would be nice if they gave a whole division to Catholicism. Just a thought.
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I too am thankful for March Madness. I have bought a lot of books each year in March and early April.
However, I would be thrilled to have access to bigger discounts on authors outside of my own theological leanings.
I think that one good solution would be to have authors from the same denomination go head to head in the first few rounds. That way each denomination would have authors that go deeper into the tourney. Everyone would win, because each person's denominaton would have authors carrying the bigger discounts.
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They have done this in the past if my memory is correct, or maybe it was just brackets based on time period of author and never on denomination. The trouble with this is it will still leave a lot of people missing out. Say for instance Chesterton gets through to final round of denominational bracket, a lot of people will already own his books and so we are still in same situation as we are now with same complaints. And the final rounds will be just a battle of the denominations. Something FL I do believe would want to avoid. Personally I never limit my reading to a single denomination. There is much to learn about our own beliefs by reading about others beliefs.
No matter what approach FL takes those with larger libraries are going to be left disappointed at the slim pickings and those who dont want to read outside of their denomination are going to be left with slim pickings too. It is the newer user or user with a smaller library that wants to build that library and is prepared to read outside of their faith tradition that will gain the most from MM.
Kevin Olson said:Mathew Haferkamp said:First thanks to logos for even doing this!! Maybe it would be nice if they gave a whole division to Catholicism. Just a thought.
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I too am thankful for March Madness. I have bought a lot of books each year in March and early April.
However, I would be thrilled to have access to bigger discounts on authors outside of my own theological leanings.
I think that one good solution would be to have authors from the same denomination go head to head in the first few rounds. That way each denomination would have authors that go deeper into the tourney. Everyone would win, because each person's denominaton would have authors carrying the bigger discounts.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/136530/883875.aspx#883875
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I would suggest that if anyone wants to take that on, it could be useful to post a "tips for smart MM voting". Obviously, some of us are more experienced with it than others. For instance, the principle "push higher cost, more inaccessible resources to a greater discount rather than just think 'I like this or that'" is something that many may not think about.
Since I am disengaged from MM myself, I won't do it. But if one of you wants to, share the wisdom. I would really recommend a fresh thread to draw proper attention.
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Any pointers for must-have deals for a nonacademic? This is my first March Madness, and it's all a bit overwhelming!
As per the topic, I'm likely one of the 'frustrating' people who don't have a firm grasp on all of the names [:D]0 -
Josh said:
Any pointers for must-have deals for a nonacademic? This is my first March Madness, and it's all a bit overwhelming!
As per the topic, I'm likely one of the 'frustrating' people who don't have a firm grasp on all of the names
Check out the deals each round and separate the one you think you might want in your shopping cart. Then when the competition ends you will have a few days to go over your list and other items and then you can choose what you want to purchase.
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DAL said:Josh said:
Any pointers for must-have deals for a nonacademic? This is my first March Madness, and it's all a bit overwhelming!
As per the topic, I'm likely one of the 'frustrating' people who don't have a firm grasp on all of the namesCheck out the deals each round and separate the one you think you might want in your shopping cart. Then when the competition ends you will have a few days to go over your list and other items and then you can choose what you want to purchase.
DAL
Ah, I was under the mistaken impression that the deals would go away after each around and not stick around. That does make things a lot easier.
As for interests, I'm mostly trying to build up my commentary/reference library right now. Mainly looking for more down-to-Earth discussions that leave out the academic topics that I'm not quite ready for. I'm also currently leading a men's fellowship through Philippians right now.0 -
I am surprised that it is this close between fee and keller...
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No surprises for me. This is a fun little event, a popularity contest. But it has been years since I really took it seriously. Whomever wins, great. I still vote, but if MM didn't happen, I don't think I'd be heartbroken.
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I have 5 volumes of the print edition which I purchased several years ago. They look really nice on my book shelf. I wish I had gotten the rest of them. It is disappointing that the Logos electronic edition is so expensive. Yes, maybe next year we can get a better deal on them.SteveHD said:I will agree about saving money. If John MacArthur had made it to about 50 or 60% off I would be buying those commentaries. Maybe next year.
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Okay, my latest surprise is the number of votes cast so far in the second round. For instance Tim Keller vs Norman Geisler in round 1 totaled 4,999 votes but the Tim Keller vs Gordon Fee has only generated 368 votes so far and the voting ends today at 3:00 p.m. pst. What gives?
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Bruce Dunning said:
Okay, my latest surprise is the number of votes cast so far in the second round. For instance Tim Keller vs Norman Geisler in round 1 totaled 4,999 votes but the Tim Keller vs Gordon Fee has only generated 368 votes so far and the voting ends today at 3:00 p.m. pst. What gives?
I'm seeing 1453 for Fee and 1500 for Keller
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John Kight said:
I'm seeing 1453 for Fee and 1500 for Keller
With additional voting, are now 1465 / 1508.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Okay, my latest surprise is the number of votes cast so far in the second round. For instance Tim Keller vs Norman Geisler in round 1 totaled 4,999 votes but the Tim Keller vs Gordon Fee has only generated 368 votes so far and the voting ends today at 3:00 p.m. pst. What gives?
The results are based on when the page was reloaded. If you had that tab open since you originally voted and hadn't refreshed the page recently, you'll be seeing old results.
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John Kight said:
I'm seeing 1453 for Fee and 1500 for Keller
Perhaps what I am seeing is the vote count when I voted. Not sure why it is not updating when I check it again.
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PetahChristian said:
The results are based on when the page was reloaded. If you had that tab open since you originally voted and hadn't refreshed the page recently, you'll be seeing old results.
I thought I had refreshed it but it seems that I had not.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Not sure why it is not updating when I check it again.
I'm very glad this vote-counting system does not run federal elections!
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scooter said:
I'm very glad this vote-counting system does not run federal elections!
Logos has this system; the USA has the electoral college. [:P]
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Lew Worthington said:
Logos has this system; the USA has the electoral college
I am Canadian. In Grade 10 American History, I wrote a paper on the electoral college. When the USA has a federal election, I read with interest how the system functions in the situation that year.
Canada has no such body.
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scooter said:
I am Canadian. In Grade 10 American History, I wrote a paper on the electoral college. When the USA has a federal election, I read with interest how the system functions in the situation that year.
It's a sad truth that people from other nations generally are more educated about America, than we are.
How wonderful it will be when people of every nation have a King and Lord.
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