Eastern Orthodox mystics
Would purchasing these two books/resources be congruent to Eastern Orthodox mysticism, spirituality or the contemplative life style?
Just want to figure out the "intouch" or inner life of the Orthodox way of living.
Here are the two resources:
Would these be compatible to the Philokalia?
The Fathers of the Desert (2 vols.)
Early Egyptian Monasticism Collection (5 vols.)
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This one...
has selections taken from the Philokalia which will give you a pretty good idea of Eastern Orthodox Spirituality.
The Fathers of the Desert (2 vols.) is primarily short biographies with quotations here and there.
Early Egyptian Monasticism Collection (5 vols.) is mostly history/biographical as well, other than
Fifty Spiritual Homilies of St. Macarius the Egyptian
and
The Rules of Pachomius
which give some actual writings of Macarius and Pachomius but neither of these are probably going to get you what you're looking for.
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Also if you're looking for a good overview of Mystic writings from the East this book (not yet available from Logos)
is probably the best on the subject. And you can determine where each author is from and whether they would fit in the Eastern category (since the book covers all of those traditionally associated with Mysticism and not just the Eastern)
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http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Writings-Christian-Mysticism-Classics/dp/0812974212/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1462375860&sr=8-2&keywords=essential+writings+bernard
McGinn is one of my favorite writers on Christian mysticism. I have asked for his multi-volume history of Christian mysticism multiple times. The first volume is The Foundations of Mysticism: Origins to the Fifth Century (The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, Vol. 1)
Actually the first volume or two apply equally to Orthodox or Catholic.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
You may also find this set helpful:
https://www.logos.com/product/49432/orthodox-spiritual-heritage-collection
Here is another edition, on Logos, of the Philokalia. Not sure the content is identical to the other on-line sellers edition or the other Logos resource mentioned above.
https://www.logos.com/product/45046/the-philokalia-a-classic-text-of-orthodox-spirituality
Maybe Gabe will chime in and provide some recommendation.
Maybe Gabe will chime in and provide some recommendation.
Gabe is no longer with Faithlife.
https://www.logos.com/product/45046/the-philokalia-a-classic-text-of-orthodox-spirituality
is a book about the philokalia rather than the Philokalia anthology itself.
https://www.logos.com/product/49432/orthodox-spiritual-heritage-collection While I am a fan of SkyLight Paths, they are generally heavily condensed and well annotated introductory texts.
Most of the authors that come to mind are stuck in pre-pub - Ephrem the Syrian, Gregory Palamas, John Climacus, John Cassian ... The Works of Dionysius the Areopagite (2 vols.) is actually available; should we recommend Select Works of St. Athanasius (4 vols.) by Athanasius of Alexandria? he Fathers of the Desert (2 vols.) or The Wisdom of the Desert by James O. Hannay are useful but are they a good starting point?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Okay, I've researched some Orthodox sources I trust.
the williard preacher site:
Reading List
The following is a list of books that many have found to be beneficial. Hopefully it will be added to from time to time.
History and Theology
The Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of Doctrine (Volumes 1-5)
by Jaroslav Pelikan
Orthodox Dogmatic Theology
by Father Michael Pomazansky
Genesis, Creation and Early Man
by Father Seraphim Rose
Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future
by Father Seraphim Rose
The Soul After Death
by Father Seraphim Rose
God’s Revelation to the Human Heart
by Father Seraphim Rose
The Place of Blessed Augustine in the Orthodox Church
by Father Seraphim Rose
The Holy Fathers of Orthodox Spirituality (Part II): How to Read the Holy Fathers
by Father Seraphim Rose
Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age
by Father Seraphim Rose
The Rush to Embrace
by Archpriest Alexey Young
Ultimate Things: An Orthodox Christian Perspective on the End Times
by Dennis E. Engleman
Popes and Patriarchs: An Orthodox Perspective of Roman Catholic Claims
by Michael Whelton
An Unbroken Circle: Linking Ancient African Christianity to the African American Experience
edited by Father Paisius Altschul
The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church
by Vladimir Lossky
Life After Death: Metropolitan of Nafpaktos
by Hierotheos
Ecclesiastical History
by Eusebius Pamphilus
Saint Gregory Palamas as a Hagiorite: Metropolitan of Nafpaktos
by Hierotheos
The Truth of our Faith
by Elder Cleopa of Romania
An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith
by St. John of Damascus
Mary The Mother of God: Sermons by Saint Gregory Palamas
edited by Christopher Veniamin
The Doors of the Sea: Where Was God in the Tsunami?
by David Bentley Hart
Spiritual Life
Monastic Wisdom: The Letters of Elder Joseph the Hesychast
St. Anthony’s Greek Orthodox Monastery
Counsels From the Holy Mountain: Selected From the Letters and Homilies of Elder Ephraim
St. Anthony’s Greek Orthodox Monastery
Elder Arsenios the Cave-Dweller (1886-1983): Fellow Ascetic of Elder Joseph the Hesychast
by Monk Joseph Dionysiatis
Abbot Haralambos Dionysiatis: The Teacher of Noetic Prayer
by Monk Joseph Dionysiatis
St. Andrew the Fool For Christ’s Sake
by Priest Nikephorus
St. Silouan the Athonite: Archimandrite Sophrony
Wounded by Love: The Life and Wisdom of Elder Porphyrios
published by Denise Harvey
Father Arseny (1893-1973): Priest, Prisoner, Spiritual Father
translated from the Russian by Vera Bouteneff
Father Seraphim Rose – His Life and Works
by Hieromonk Damascene
The Philokalia (Volumes 1-4)
compiled by St. Nikodimos of the Holy Mountain and St. Makarios of Corinth
Writings From the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart
translated by E. Kadloubovsky and G.E.H. Palmer
The Ladder of Divine Ascent
by St. John Climacus
On Ascetical Life: St. Isaac of Nineveh
translated by Mary Hansbury
Little Russian Philokalia, Volume 1: St. Seraphim
translated by Father Seraphim Rose
The Sayings of the Desert Fathers
translated by Benidicta Ward
The First Created Man: St. Symeon the New Theologian
translated by Father Seraphim Rose
The Way of the Pilgrim and The Pilgrim Continues His Way
edited by New Sarov Press
We Shall See Him as He Is
by Archimandrite Sophrony
The Deification as the Purpose of Man’s Life
by Archimandrite George of St. Gregorios of Mt. Athos
Experiences of the Grace of God
by Archimandrite George of St. Gregorios of Mt. Athos
A Night in the Desert of the Holy Mountain
by Metropolitan of Nafpaktos – Hierotheos
Precious Vessels of the Holy Spirit: The Lives and Counsels of Contemporary Elders of Greece
by H. Middleton
Obedience Is Life: Elder Ephraim of Katounakia
by Elder Joseph of Vatopaidi
Avvakum the Barefoot
by Monk Theodoretos the Hagiorite
Elder Joseph the Hesychast: Struggles – Experiences – Teachings
by Elder Joseph of Vatopaidi
The Illness and Cure of the Soul in the Orthodox Tradition: Metropolitan of Nafpaktos
by Hierotheos
The Life of St. Anthony the Great
by St. Athanasius
The Life of St. Mary of Egypt
by St. Nectarios Press
Elder Paisios of the Holy Mountain
by Priestmonk Christodoulos
God’s Fools: The Lives of the Holy “Fools for Christ”
by Bishop Varlaam Novakshonoff
The Divine Flame – Elder Porphyrios – Lit In My Heart
by Monk Agapios
Counsels For Life
from the Life and Teachings of Father Epiphanios Theodoropoulos
Apostle to Zaire: The Life and Legacy of Blessed Father Cosmas of Grigoriou
by Demetrios Aslandidis and Monk Damascene Grigoriatis
The Arena: An Offering to Contemporary Monasticism
by Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov
In the Heart of the Desert: The Spirituality of the Desert Fathers and Mothers
by John Chryssavgis
The Fathers of the Church
by Saint Gregory the Great Dialogues
Life – Miracles – Prophecies of Saint Seraphim of Viritsa
translated from Greek by Father Nick Palis
Unseen Warfare
by Theophan the Recluse
edited by Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain
St. Cosmas Aitolos
by Constantine Cavarnos
From Glory to Glory
by St. Gregory of Nyssa
Consoler of Suffering Hearts – The Life, Counsels and Miracles of Eldress Rachel, Visionary of Russia
Archpriest Sergei Lebedev
We Shall See Him As He Is
Archimandrite Sophrony
On the Mystical Life – The Ethical Discourses (Vol. 1): The Church and the Last Things
St. Symeon the New Theologian
Hymns on Paradise
St. Ephrem the Syrian
The Discourses
St. Symeon The New Theologian
On God and Man: The Theological Poetry of St. Gregory of Nazianzus
Gifts of the Desert: The Forgotten Path of Christian Spirituality
Kyriacos Markides
Shepherd of Souls: The Life and Teachings of Elder Cleopa
Archimandrite Ioanichie Balan
The Mountain of Silence: A Search for Orthodox Spirituality
by Kyriacos C. Markides
The Gurus, the Young Man, and Elder Pauses
by Dionysios Farasiotis
Guidance Toward Spiritual Life: Saints Barsanuphius and John
On the Prayer of Jesus
Ignatius Brianchaninov
Contemporary Ascetics of Mount Athos (Vols. 1 & 2)
Archimandrite Cherubim
The Evergetinos (Vol. 1)
Becoming Orthodox
Thirsting For God in a Land of Shallow Wells
by Matthew Gallatin
Becoming Orthodox
by Peter E. Gillquist
Non-Orthodox Writings
Orthodoxy
by G.K. Chesterton
The Everlasting Man
by G.K. Chesterton
Mere Christianity
by C.S. Lewis
Screwtape Letters
by C.S. Lewis
The Abolition of Man
by C.S. Lewis
The Chronicles of Narnia
by C.S. Lewis
The Great Divorce
by C.S. Lewis
Miracles
by C.S. Lewis
A Grief Observed
by C.S. Lewis
The Hobbit
by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Lord of the Rings
by J.R.R. Tolkien
Animal Farm
by George Orwell
Brave New World
by Aldous Huxley
Journey Into the Mind of an Islamic Terrorist
by Mark A. Gabriel
Lord of the Flies
by William Golding
What’s So Great About Christianity
by Dinesh D’Souza
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Answering the New Atheism: Dismantling Dawkins’ Case Against God
by Scott Hahn and Benjamin Wiker
There is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind
by Antony Flew
Black Like Me
by John Howard Griffin
On the sequence of reading the Philokalia a.k.a. where to start with the original works from which the Philokalia draws.
Fr. Maximos' Reading List
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I've been doing research on the fifth book of the Philokalia and I found your posts. You all seem very knowledgeable on the topic of Eastern Orthodox Mysticism so this seems to me a very safe place to ask this question. Has anyone else had the same experience I've had? let me explain just a little bit.
I grew up in an Assemblies of God church, the Full Gospel Tabernacle with an excellent pastor, Tommy Reid. 35 years ago I attended bible school (Elim University) there and was in a class with Rev. Mark Virkler. He gave me book called "Centering Prayer" by M. Basil Pennington.
I read the book, practiced the Christian meditation techniques daily as I earnestly sought God. One day, as I was kneeling in my closet in the dark reaching out to God, I had an experience. It lasted a fraction of a second. It was by far the most powerful feeling I've ever felt, nothing in my life prepared me for this. Ecstasy, purpose, clarity, unconditional Love, unimaginable power, and the most intense love for Jesus that I've ever felt. I knew there was no way this came from me.
I tried to make it happen again, a month later it happened and stayed a little longer. I continued this throughout my life and rarely ever told anyone about it. It is my constant companion now. So I wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this? A couple years ago I found out about the Philokalia and it was a revelation to me. It was like the instruction manual I've been missing all these years. And I finally found a name for this experience, Uncreated Light.
Ronald all blessing to you, the Ecstasy of God is a most wonderful thing. It is something some never get to experience. This grace is wonderful but should not be sought simply for it's sake. A spiritual director would be a wise course, my times of ecstasy have most often come during my Bible studies during my prayer times, but they have happened during meditation, during a walk, encounters with animals and even most profoundly for me during a migraine (I say most profoundly because one would imagine that during a painful time one would not have joy and peace but the Spirit moved and held me for a few hours of that migraine). I do not want to discourage you because it is a wonderful experience, I just don't want you to experience a dark night of the soul, on the cloudiest of days you may see no evidence of the sun but it remains in the sky giving light even when we see it not for the conditions. The paths to ecstasy are many and varied, numerous mystics have written volumes to help, I feel the Cloud of Unknowing may be a valuable book on your journey with God. The Spirit of God is not forced, but I do understand you desire, I have no doubt it will come and God will lead you on paths you never dreamt of.
-dan
Dan which of these are you referring to? I hadn't heard of either. Suggestions?
The Cloud of Unknowing
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Ronald all blessing to you, the Ecstasy of God is a most wonderful thing. It is something some never get to experience. This grace is wonderful but should not be sought simply for it's sake. A spiritual director would be a wise course, my times of ecstasy have most often come during my Bible studies during my prayer times, but they have happened during meditation, during a walk, encounters with animals and even most profoundly for me during a migraine (I say most profoundly because one would imagine that during a painful time one would not have joy and peace but the Spirit moved and held me for a few hours of that migraine). I do not want to discourage you because it is a wonderful experience, I just don't want you to experience a dark night of the soul, on the cloudiest of days you may see no evidence of the sun but it remains in the sky giving light even when we see it not for the conditions. The paths to ecstasy are many and varied, numerous mystics have written volumes to help, I feel the Cloud of Unknowing may be a valuable book on your journey with God. The Spirit of God is not forced, but I do understand you desire, I have no doubt it will come and God will lead you on paths you never dreamt of.
-dan
They are one and the same... just differing translation, but as much as I enjoy the work of Underhill her translation feels very dated to me:
HERE BEGINNETH THE FIRST CHAPTER
Of four degrees of Christian men’s living; and of the course of his calling that this book was made unto.
GHOSTLY friend in God, thou shalt well understand that I find, in my boisterous beholding, four degrees and forms of Christian men’s living: and they be these, Common, Special, Singular, and Perfect. Three of these may be begun and ended in this life; and the fourth may by grace be begun here, but it shall ever last without end in the bliss of Heaven. And right as thou seest how they be set here in order each one after other; first Common, then Special, after Singular, and last Perfect, right so me thinketh that in the same order and in the same course our Lord hath of His great mercy called thee and led thee unto Him by the desire of thine heart. For first thou wottest well that when thou wert living in the common degree of Christian men’s living in company of thy worldly friends, it seemeth to me that the everlasting love of His Godhead, through the which He made thee and wrought thee when thou wert nought, and sithen bought thee with the price of His precious blood when thou wert lost in Adam, might not suffer thee to be so far from Him in form and degree of living. And therefore He kindled thy desire full graciously, and fastened by it a leash of longing, and led thee by it into a more special state and form of living, to be a servant among the special servants of His; where thou mightest learn to live more specially and more ghostly in His service than thou didst, or mightest do, in the common degree of living before. And what more?
Yet it seemeth that He would not leave thee thus lightly, for love of His heart, the which He hath evermore had unto thee since thou wert aught: but what did He? Seest thou nought how listily and how graciously He hath privily pulled thee to the third degree and manner of living, the which is called Singular? In the which solitary form and manner of living, thou mayest learn to lift up the foot of thy love; and step towards that state and degree of living that is perfect, and the last state of all.
Evelyn Underhill, ed., A Book of Contemplation the Which Is Called the Cloud of Unknowing, in the Which a Soul Is Oned with God, Second Edition (London: John M. Watkins, 1922), 65–67.
Chapter I
The four degrees of the Christian life; and how he for whom this book was written advanced in his vocation10
Proemium
My spiritual friend in God:11 I pray and beseech you to pay very close attention to the progress of your vocation and the way in which you have been called; thank God from your heart, so that through the help of his grace you may stand steadfast in the state, degree and manner of life that you have undertaken with full deliberation in spite of all the subtle attacks of your bodily and ghostly enemies,12 and so win through to the crown of life13 that lasts forever, Amen.
My spiritual friend in God, you are to understand that according to our rather crude reckoning, there are four degrees and forms of the Christian life. They are: ordinary, special, singular and perfect. Three of these can be begun and ended in this life; and one may begin the fourth by grace here below, which is to last without end in the happiness of heaven. These degrees are set out here in order, successively, first ordinary then special, after that singular and finally perfect.14 It is in this same way, I think, according to this very order and progress, that our Lord has, in his great mercy, called you and led you to him by the desire of your heart.
First, then, you are well aware that once you lived in the ordinary degree of the Christian life in the world with your friends. And I believe that the everlasting love of the Godhead through which he made you and fashioned you when you were nothing, and then bought you at the price of his precious blood when, in Adam, you were lost, would not allow you to be so far away from him in the manner and state of your living.15 And so with his great grace he kindled your desire, and fastened to it a leash of longing,16 and with this led you into a more special state and degree of life, to be a servant of the special servants of his;17 where you could learn to live in his service more particularly and more spiritually than you did before or could do in the ordinary way of life. What is more, it appeared that he was not going to leave you alone so easily, because of the love in his heart which he has always had for you since you first existed. What is it that he did? Do you not see with what love and with what grace he has called you up to the third degree and manner of life, which is called singular? And in this state and manner of life of the solitary you are to learn to lift up the foot of your love,18 and step outwards towards that state and degree of life that is perfect, the last state of all.
10 In repeating the chapter headings, we are following R. M., who says: “Though the author of the book does not set out the various titles at the head of each chapter throughout the book, but only at the beginning, it seems better to me, all things considered, not only to put them all together at the beginning, but one by one at the head of each chapter.”
11 Like three other works which can be attributed with certainty to our author, the Cloud itself is couched in the form of a letter to a young beginner from an older monk or spiritual father. (We have referred to the Carthusian practice in this regard in the Introduction, p. 40). However, it must also be noticed that many writers in this genre, with varying degrees of awareness, were simply perpetuating the tradition and adopting the style of the first apostolic writers, beginning with SS. Luke and Paul, on the understanding that their writings would be passed from hand to hand, and read aloud in quasi-ecclesiastical gatherings: in this case, monastic refectories or chapter halls. An outstanding example is the letter on the contemplative life by the Carthusian Guigo the Angelic, whose epistolary introduction is omitted in literally scores of extant MSS. Cf. The Ladder of Monks, p. 81; Introduction, supra, p. 78.
12 Cf. Ephesians 6:10ff.
13 The reference to James 1:12 is taken up at length by the author in his letter on Discernment of Spiritual Impulses.
14 “The ordinary degree is of laypeople, the special of clerics or religious, and the singular of solitaries: that is, hermits, anchorites and especially Carthusians. Hence we may conclude that this book was written for a Carthusian, since in our day it is not customary, as it was in days gone by, to leave an approved religious order for a hermitage, but only for the Carthusians” (R.M.). Cf. Introduction, p. 15. The commentator on MS. Harleian 674 gives the example of Christ himself, who “whilst he was subject to his parents, was in the ordinary degree; whilst he was about his business, in the special; whilst fasting in the desert and praying on the mountain, in the singular; and in the transfiguration, resurrection and ascension, in the perfect”.
15 Cf. The Ladder: “When you were nothing I created you, and after you had sinned and made yourself a slave who once were free, then I redeemed you out of slavery with the price of myself. Then afterwards you hunted with the sinners of this world, and I caught you back from them, and I gave more of my grace to you than to others, because I wanted you to be my own” (ME version).
16 “A leash of longing.” This is one of the more outstanding examples of the author’s ability to drive home an essential theological point: the reconciliation of “you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,” and human freedom, with a vivid and self-clarifying metaphor.
17 Hugo de Balma, in speaking of the steps to union, stresses the importance of reflecting on the benefits the disciple has received: first, of creation and of redemption by the Incarnation and the Passion; and secondly of the grace of the Carthusian vocation, which is not merely a call out of the world, “because he has called him (the disciple) not to the rule of the holy Benedict or Augustine … but has chosen him for that most blessed life which he himself chose when he was led into the desert. He was our forerunner, showing what it means to be a servant, by serving us”.
18 The source of this image is Augustine’s commentary on Psalm 9: “Rightly understood, the foot of the soul is love; for it moves by means of love to the place it is going” (PL 36, 124). De Balma speaks of the “plateau of unitive love towards which the mind hastens, supported by the feet of the affections”.
James Walsh and Richard J. Payne, eds., The Cloud of Unknowing, The Classics of Western Spirituality (Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1981), 115–117.
So The Cloud of Unknowing is the one i recommend even though slightly more expensive you can see the annotations alone make it a better choice.
-Dan
I ordered The Foundations vol 1 & 2 during this OP and am excited (always love to get new books) to say that both have arrived at the books store.
Thanks again.
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Writings-Christian-Mysticism-Classics/dp/0812974212/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1462375860&sr=8-2&keywords=essential+writings+bernardMcGinn is one of my favorite writers on Christian mysticism. I have asked for his multi-volume history of Christian mysticism multiple times. The first volume is The Foundations of Mysticism: Origins to the Fifth Century (The Presence of God: A History of Western Christian Mysticism, Vol. 1)
Actually the first volume or two apply equally to Orthodox or Catholic.
Would purchasing these two books/resources be congruent to Eastern Orthodox mysticism, spirituality or the contemplative life style?
Yes, substantially, although I would recommend reading The Wisdom of the Desert first or instead.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
Then, while it is a biit broader, there is always Classics of Western Spirituality Bundle (126 vols.)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Oxford Studies in St. Symeon the New Theologian(2 vols.)
This unfortunately has not been released but is one of the more important Mystical writers of the Orthodox faith. I have of course read him in the Philokalia and some of his works elsewhere... I wish there were more available by him in Logos.
-Dan
Both collections include material which has been influential on the "contemplative live" and so Mysticism. But reading about it is a far cry from any understanding of it - and I will not claim to really understand it myself.
Much better, I think, would be to arrange a guest visit for a few days with a contemplative community. No, they will not be able to instantly answer all your questions, but it is a much better way to get in touch with the contemplative live - and I say this having just returned from a day and half with some Benedictines...
After such a visit is when some resource recommendations would make more sense.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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