Enter CCLI number globally for all songs

Rich Shipe · January 2012

I can't figure out how to enter our CCLI number for display on all of the songs we do? I found where we can link to CCLI/SongSelect but we don't subscribe to SongSelect. We just subscribe to the Church Copyright License. When I enter our username and password for CCLI under link accounts in Proclaim I get this message:

Your account is valid, but is not associated with an organization or your organization(s) does not have access to SongSelect.

We do not have SongSelect, but we do have a CCLI number. So again, how do I enter our number so that it properly displays with all songs? From what I understand, we are required to display our number with each song we use but I'm hoping that it does not have to be entered with every single song we put into the system.

Chris Martin · January 2012

I agree. Before signing up for SongSelect this was a frustration for us as well. Please consider allowing churches to enter a CCLI number into the settings somewhere that will auto-populate the CCLI field when creating a new song.

Scott Alexander · January 2012

I'll create a case for this. Thanks for the feedback.

Graham Criddle · October 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/333690#Comment_333690

Scott Alexander said:

I'll create a case for this. Thanks for the feedback.

Hi Scott

Has this been addressed?

I was trying to do this earlier and couldn't find a way of doing it.

Thanks, Graham

Scott Alexander · October 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/931150#Comment_931150

Graham Criddle said:

Scott Alexander said:

I'll create a case for this. Thanks for the feedback.

Hi Scott

Has this been addressed?

I was trying to do this earlier and couldn't find a way of doing it.

Thanks, Graham

Graham, this hasn't been addressed yet. We're planning to ship an update on Monday, I'll see if I can squeak this in. Thanks for the reminder.

Graham Criddle · October 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/931179#Comment_931179

Thanks Scott

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/931179#Comment_931179

Hi Scott

Ajy update on when this might be addressed?

Thanks, Graham

Scott Alexander · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933154#Comment_933154

Graham Criddle said:

Hi Scott

Ajy update on when this might be addressed?

Thanks, Graham

Graham, we made a change in the last update to use the last set license value for all new songs. Is this not what you’re seeing?

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933164#Comment_933164

Scott Alexander said:
Graham, we made a change in the last update to use the last set license value for all new songs. Is this not what you’re seeing?

Indeed it is - sorry I had missed that.

Thanks, Scott, that will be really helpful, Graham

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933180#Comment_933180

Graham Criddle said:

Scott Alexander said:
Graham, we made a change in the last update to use the last set license value for all new songs. Is this not what you’re seeing?

Indeed it is - sorry I had missed that.

Thanks, Scott, that will be really helpful, Graham

Hi Scott

Having noted the change I mentioned it to the person who sets up Proclaim each week - and she told me that it didn't actually insert the CCLI details.

So I checked again and it isn't doing it any more!

Has this rolled back in some way or am I just missing something?

Thanks, Graham

Jordan Sjodin · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933983#Comment_933983

I dont think it regressed. But song select is a per user setting. So maybe the other user doesn’t have the ccli song select account linked?

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933987#Comment_933987

Jordan Sjodin said:

I dont think it regressed. But song select is a per user setting. So maybe the other user doesn’t have the ccli song select account linked?

We don’t subscribe to Song Select. My understanding was that this change didn’t rely on that

And it no longer works for me either

Jordan Sjodin · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933990#Comment_933990

Ah right. I had forgotten. We will take a look!

Scott Alexander · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/933990#Comment_933990

Graham Criddle said:

We don’t subscribe to Song Select. My understanding was that this change didn’t rely on that

The change is a user setting and does not depend on a SongSelect subscription.

The change is to remember the last set "Licensed by CCLI" value

If you uncheck it and create a new song the new song should have the value unset. The opposite is also true. This change does not apply to reusing songs from the My Songs section of the song entry helper.

I'll have our tester run through this feature on Monday and make sure all is as we expect.

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934015#Comment_934015

Scott Alexander said:
This change does not apply to reusing songs from the My Songs section of the song entry helper.

This is key and what I had missed.

I had realised it related to new songs but had missed that importing a batch of songs (we imported them from OpenLP) meant that this setting wouldn't apply the first time we used one of these imported songs.

I can see from the application point of view this is reuse even if we are using them for the first time in Proclaim.

Is there any way of extending this capability to this scenario?

Thanks, Graham

Scott Alexander · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934024#Comment_934024

Graham, we may need to introduce a different type of global preference for this type of property, I can see how the current behavior is lacking.

If you like I can do a bulk update of all your imported songs, setting the license number to the currently stored default value. Let me know if you are interested and I'll coordinate further via email.

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934211#Comment_934211

Scott Alexander said:
Graham, we may need to introduce a different type of global preference for this type of property, I can see how the current behavior is lacking.

Thanks Scott

Scott Alexander said:
If you like I can do a bulk update of all your imported songs, setting the license number to the currently stored default value. Let me know if you are interested and I'll coordinate further via email.

That could be very useful. Let me check with the person who is normally putting the services together and I'll post back

Appreciated, Graham

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934216#Comment_934216

Graham Criddle said:

Scott Alexander said:
If you like I can do a bulk update of all your imported songs, setting the license number to the currently stored default value. Let me know if you are interested and I'll coordinate further via email.

That could be very useful. Let me check with the person who is normally putting the services together and I'll post back

Hi Scott

I have checked and confirmed this would be really useful.

Looking forward to hearing from you

Thanks, Graham

Jason Maas · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934256#Comment_934256

It seems to me like a CCLI license is usually acquired by a church and not a user. Therefore the license number should probably be a setting on the "presentation group" and shared across all users of the presentation group and automatically populated into songs in presentations created under that presentation group, with some way to override the default fo the inevitable special cases.

Does that make sense?

Jason

Graham Criddle · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934287#Comment_934287

Hi Jason

Yes - makes sense to me.

And sounds similar to what Scott was suggesting above.

Mike Binks · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934287#Comment_934287

Hi Jason

When setting this up you might like to consider individuals who have personal licences. Journeymen Preachers like myself. We are often in Churches that have different CCL licences.

For me things would be easier if...

1. I could name and save venues.

2. I could attach the appropriate CCL license to each venue.

At present I am regularly leading worship in six different churches four without Proclaim licences, two with. In the four without I am the only worship leader who uses presentation software.

Jason Maas · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934370#Comment_934370

Mike Binks said:

When setting this up you might like to consider individuals who have personal licences. Journeymen Preachers like myself.

Good point, I didn't consider that scenario at all! I still think that there should be a simple approach for the common scenario of a bunch of people only using Proclaim for one church - I just want one person to plug the number in one time and then no one ever has to think about it again.

But I wouldn't want the support for that setup to exclude other usage scenarios, like the one you described Mike.

Jason

Mike Binks · November 2017

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/934401#Comment_934401

Jason Maas said:

Good point, I didn't consider that scenario at all! I still think that there should be a simple approach for the common scenario of a bunch of people only using Proclaim for one church - I just want one person to plug the number in one time and then no one ever has to think about it again.

But I wouldn't want the support for that setup to exclude other usage scenarios, like the one you described Mike.

Thanks for the reply Jason. Without understanding the implications of the suggestion...

I would like to suggest that you consider tying the CCL number to the location set in settings.

That would work for the bunch in one church and the peripatetics wandering the the locale.

Enter CCLI number globally for all songs

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