What is an "Onership Discount"?

Spencer Robinson
Spencer Robinson Member Posts: 10
edited November 2024 in English Forum

When I put the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) into my cart,  the price drops from $218 to $104 because of an "ownership discount," yet I can't find any of these products in my Logos software. What is this discount?

Thank you.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,867

    My guess is that it relates to the three included datasets - and datasets don’t show separately in your Library.

    So this assumes you either have a Logos Now subscription or have purchased the Extended Feature Set.

    Does this make sense?

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,519

    I can't find any of these products in my Logos software.

    If you own the datasets, as Graham said, they won't appear in your library. However, are you aware of the symbols on the product page to reflect what is "new to you"? See "stars" in screenshot. I don't own the two resources "starred." My price is identical to yours. 

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  • Marshall Harrison
    Marshall Harrison Member Posts: 205 ✭✭

    Now, I'm confused.

    It shows as $104 for me too. But it also says that it is part of LogosNow which I own. If I look at my Library I see all the books listed.

    Normally Logos grays out books you own and won't let you add them to your cart. Is this not grayed out because I have them through a subscription so they will go away if I cancel? I haven't noticed this behavior before but it is a good thing.

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    I own none of the resources, nor Logos Now, and I still get the ownership discount.

  • Richard Villanueva
    Richard Villanueva Member Posts: 510 ✭✭

    I am a Logos Now Member, receive Academic Discount, have the Full Feature Set (not the Extended) and own none of the resources... and have to pay full price.

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  • PetahChristian
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    Normally Logos grays out books you own and won't let you add them to your cart. Is this not grayed out because I have them through a subscription so they will go away if I cancel? I haven't noticed this behavior before but it is a good thing.

    Correct. You don't have a permanent license for anything that you rent (unless you also happened to purchase it). Since the store knows that you don't permanently own them (but temporarily rent them), it gives you the option to buy them.

    If I look at my Library I see all the books listed.

    You may own books in the collection, but likely rent the datasets (which don't show up in your library because they're features, rather than readable material).

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  • Scott E. Mahle
    Scott E. Mahle Member Posts: 752 ✭✭✭

    When I put the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) into my cart,  the price drops from $218 to $104 because of an "ownership discount," yet I can't find any of these products in my Logos software. What is this discount?

    Thank you.

    If you are interested in this resource, don’t forget to look at the column on the right side of the product price to see what collections that resource is part of. It’s included in the Extended Feature Set which, for me, is half the price of the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.). You may find something similar and save a considerable amount of money!

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    alabama24 said:

    If you own the datasets, as Graham said, they won't appear in your library. However, are you aware of the symbols on the product page to reflect what is "new to you"? See "stars" in screenshot. I don't own the two resources "starred." My price is identical to yours. 

    This section doesn't include datasets, only resources, so there's no way of knowing from this page which datasets you would gain.

    There are five resources and three datasets in this collection. The three datasets are:

    • The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Dataset
    • The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Dataset: SBL Edition
    • The Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible Dataset

    These datasets are included in Logos/Verbum Now, and the Extended Feature Set.

    Now to the original question. I think that the original incarnation of these datasets were available under the title Lexham High Definition New Testament. But then, they weren't datasets, but hard-coded into a resource. At some later point they were broken out as discrete datasets that could be used with any reverse interlinear Bible as a visual filter, and I have a vague idea that people with the original product are eligible to get the new dataset for free, or at a discount.

    Which is all to say that I think the reason this product says "Ownership Discount", rather than the usual "Discount for Products You Own" (i.e. dynamic pricing), is because they're giving credit to those who owning a different licence (the HDNT).

    Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of this. I couldn't find any blogs/posts to back up my rather hazy memory.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Normally Logos grays out books you own and won't let you add them to your cart. Is this not grayed out because I have them through a subscription so they will go away if I cancel? I haven't noticed this behavior before but it is a good thing.

    Yes, that's right.

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  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,519

    This section doesn't include datasets, only resources, so there's no way of knowing from this page which datasets you would gain.

    Yes. I should have been more clear. 

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  • Marshall Harrison
    Marshall Harrison Member Posts: 205 ✭✭

    When I put the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) into my cart,  the price drops from $218 to $104 because of an "ownership discount," yet I can't find any of these products in my Logos software. What is this discount?

    Thank you.

    If you are interested in this resource, don’t forget to look at the column on the right side of the product price to see what collections that resource is part of. It’s included in the Extended Feature Set which, for me, is half the price of the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.). You may find something similar and save a considerable amount of money!

    Thats  good price. Extended Feature Set for me is $414.

  • Scott E. Mahle
    Scott E. Mahle Member Posts: 752 ✭✭✭

    When I put the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) into my cart,  the price drops from $218 to $104 because of an "ownership discount," yet I can't find any of these products in my Logos software. What is this discount?

    Thank you.

    If you are interested in this resource, don’t forget to look at the column on the right side of the product price to see what collections that resource is part of. It’s included in the Extended Feature Set which, for me, is half the price of the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.). You may find something similar and save a considerable amount of money!

    Thats  good price. Extended Feature Set for me is $414.

    It’s all based on what one owns already (Dynamic Sale Price), but I mention it because its always worth my time to investigate what packages a resource is included in.

    In my situation, if I was interested in the Data Sets (which I am, just not right now) The Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) $217.99 (which includes the Data Sets) is part of the Extended Feature Set $114.68 which is part of the Logos 7 Essential Upgrade – Large $125.09.

    I missed the Black Friday sale on the Essential Library or I would own it right now [;)]  Logos, if you want to make a few year-end bucks please put the Essential Libraries on sale again [:D]

    Again, its always worth your time to follow the trails . . .

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  • Spencer Robinson
    Spencer Robinson Member Posts: 10

    Wow, thanks for all of the replies. 

    Where would I go on Logos to find any of these resources?

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    Where would I go on Logos to find any of these resources?

    The datasets can be seen by opening any appropriately tagged Bible, and choosing "Discourse Features (Greek)" from the Visual Filter menu. There's also a search syntax. Best thing is to read the documentation: https://ref.ly/logosres/cidbdoclexdiscgknt, which you'll find very helpful.

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  • Spencer Robinson
    Spencer Robinson Member Posts: 10

    Strange. It doesn't come up at all when I pull up the ESV or Lexham Hebrew Bible. Maybe I don't have it?

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,867

    Strange. It doesn't come up at all when I pull up the ESV or Lexham Hebrew Bible. Maybe I don't have it?

    Just to ensure we are talking about the same thing - do you mean you don't see the items outlined in red below?

    If that's the case what Logos 7 feature set do you have or do you have a Logos Now subscription?