Why all the bundling? Request to Logos/Faithlife staff

Mattillo: If God Why Evil? is on sale on Vyrso.

https://vyrso.com/product/14017/if-god-why-evil

Thank you sir! That is a good book indeed

A couple more that could stand to be broken up soon (full disclosure: I need one book from each of these for my fourth year seminary classes this fall).

https://www.logos.com/product/43955/eerdmans-contemporary-theology-collection

https://www.logos.com/product/29601/fortress-press-studies-in-john

All the Crossway bundles will eventually be split up, it's just a matter of timing and prioritization at this point. I'm sorry I don't have anything more specific at this point.

I'm glad to hear that the Crossway bundles will be split up, hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Just my 2cents worth:  Perhaps it would be helpful to bundle the books associated with Mobile Ed courses WITH the course. 

It would be wonderful if FL would package Mobile Ed courses in this manner:

1. Mobile Ed course xyz (Course Basic)
2. Mobile Ed course xyz with essential course resources (Course Essentials)
3. Mobile Ed course xyz with all required / recommended course resources (Course Premium)
4. Mobile Ed course xyz - essential course resources only, for those who already own the course (Course Resource Essentials)
5. Mobile Ed course xyz - all require course resources only, for those who already own the course (Course Resource Premium)

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

Sensible idea but occasionally I have heard of a recommended resource being only available in a bundle so prices mixed be pretty high sometimes if you require something like EBCR to get the Isaiah volume.

-dan

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

Sensible idea but occasionally I have heard of a recommended resource being only available in a bundle so prices mixed be pretty high sometimes if you require something like EBCR to get the Isaiah volume.

-dan

This was said in the context of a discussion about unbundling resources, so I assumed that was a given. My bad. That's what I meant...that the resources would each be individually available in the mobile ed packaged deal.

Ben, Could you unbundle this one?

https://www.logos.com/product/51888/reformation-heritage-theology-collection

Thanks!

Ben,

Is it still Faithlife's policy to wait 6 months before considering breaking up bundles? I do realize some things will probably never be broken up pre the publishers requirements.

My previous understanding about the purpose for the bundling of books was so that more titles made their way into the Logos ecosystem. There are now probably thousands of books in Logos that never would have made the support cut in the prepub system as stand alone titles. That being said, is Logos considering a change, as I now see more single titles coming through prepub than I'm used to seeing in the past.

You specifically mention Crossway in your post so does that mean any non-crossway won't be broken up?

Our goal is to split everything we can. I specifically mentioned Crossway because many of the books mentioned here are from the Crossway collections that recently shipped.

It would be optimal if things could be realized unbundled along with bundled at the time of publishing. Logos already has such a delay from Kindle/dead-tree publication to Logos publication that sales are lost. Unbundling and charging a premium (or consider it the flipside that the bundle is the discount) would make sense and probably ultimately result in increased sales, especially from a whole set of customers that   you aren't reaching now

Has anything been broken up since we started this post? Is there an ETA on this? Just curious. 

Found another today I'd like to see broken up: https://www.logos.com/product/55807/crossway-biblical-theology-collection 

Has anything been broken up since we started this post? Is there an ETA on this? Just curious. 

Found another today I'd like to see broken up: https://www.logos.com/product/55807/crossway-biblical-theology-collection 

Probably not very many.

Rather than breaking up collections here and there, we're trying to invest our time building a solution that will allows to automatically split out bundles. I'm not sure when that'll be coming, but it's pretty high on the list.

Thanks!

Mattillo,

Crossway bundles were just released March 6th, so I think It will be closer to the end of the year for those.

Thank you Mr Ben!

We apparently can't buy OT355's EBCREV06 resource separately, as there is an "Only sold as part of the collection" icon.

However, that commentary volume is the most-linked resource for the course, at 49x. What are we supposed to do when we have pre-ordered the course, but can't afford to buy a whole commentary set to get access to a single critical volume?

Can the publisher please relax that restriction?

Can anything be done about this? Is it FL's policy to ensure that Mobile Ed course resources are sold separately?

I'm looking into this right now. I'm not sure why we aren't currently selling that resource as a standalone product. 

Ben,

OliveTree and Accordance sell EBCREV volumes individually, as well as in a set. Can FL please offer the same flexibility? Thanks!

Also Accordance has EBCREV on sale for 52% off. How is it that a competitor can put Zondervan products on sale, but FL is restricted to publisher sales only? Waiting another year or so for Zondervan to put a particular Logos product on sale is not practical. Is there any chance that the Zondervan contract can be renegotiated to provide Logos customers with competitive dynamic pricing and more frequent sales?

Ben,

OliveTree and Accordance sell EBCREV volumes individually, as well as in a set. Can FL please offer the same flexibility? Thanks!

Also Accordance has EBCREV on sale for 52% off. How is it that a competitor can put Zondervan products on sale, but FL is restricted to publisher sales only? Waiting another year or so for Zondervan to put a particular Logos product on sale is not practical. Is there any chance that the Zondervan contract can be renegotiated to provide Logos customers with competitive dynamic pricing and more frequent sales?

PetahChristian,

Thanks for the info!  I'm considering adding this to my Accordance collection.  [:)]

We apparently can't buy OT355's EBCREV06 resource separately, as there is an "Only sold as part of the collection" icon.

However, that commentary volume is the most-linked resource for the course, at 49x. What are we supposed to do when we have pre-ordered the course, but can't afford to buy a whole commentary set to get access to a single critical volume?

Can the publisher please relax that restriction?

Can anything be done about this? Is it FL's policy to ensure that Mobile Ed course resources are sold separately?

I'm looking into this right now. I'm not sure why we aren't currently selling that resource as a standalone product. 

Ben,

OliveTree and Accordance sell EBCREV volumes individually, as well as in a set. Can FL please offer the same flexibility? Thanks!

Also Accordance has EBCREV on sale for 52% off. How is it that a competitor can put Zondervan products on sale, but FL is restricted to publisher sales only? Waiting another year or so for Zondervan to put a particular Logos product on sale is not practical. Is there any chance that the Zondervan contract can be renegotiated to provide Logos customers with competitive dynamic pricing and more frequent sales?

This volume is now available as a standalone resource https://www.logos.com/product/54533/the-expositors-bible-commentary-volume-6-proverbs-isaiah

I agree. It seems Logos in only hurting themselves. I'd gladly spend $20 for a book. I might buy one today and another tomorrow and another the next. But, there would never be a day I'd spend $100. Especially true if I am spending $100 to get a $20 book I want along with several books I don't want. 

This volume is now available as a standalone resource

Thanks very much, Ben!

Has anything been broken up since we started this post? Is there an ETA on this? Just curious. 

Found another today I'd like to see broken up: https://www.logos.com/product/55807/crossway-biblical-theology-collection 

Probably not very many.

Rather than breaking up collections here and there, we're trying to invest our time building a solution that will allows to automatically split out bundles. I'm not sure when that'll be coming, but it's pretty high on the list.

Thanks!

Any updates on this Mr. Ben?  Will the bundles in this post be broken up soon?  Thank you in advance

This volume is now available as a standalone resource

Can you also make this volume a stand alone?

https://www.logos.com/product/55822/crossway-studies-on-the-trinitarian-god#002

Has anything been broken up since we started this post? Is there an ETA on this? Just curious. 

Found another today I'd like to see broken up: https://www.logos.com/product/55807/crossway-biblical-theology-collection 

Probably not very many.

Rather than breaking up collections here and there, we're trying to invest our time building a solution that will allows to automatically split out bundles. I'm not sure when that'll be coming, but it's pretty high on the list.

Thanks!

Any updates on this Mr. Ben?  Will the bundles in this post be broken up soon?  Thank you in advance

Unfortunately there isn't too much to say at this point. As I said earlier, we have a case in our queue to get a tool built to automatically split collections. However, there are a number of other projects in front of it that are taking a bit more time.

I'll see if we can prioritize a few collection in this post, but I can't give you a good projection of when exactly that will happen. 

Thank you Ben. Earlier posts will have the ones I was interested in. As well as others I'm sure

Could Science & Faith: Friends or Foes? and Did Adam and Eve Really Exist? Who They Were and Why You Should Care please be unbundled? They are both used by TH331, but sold in a 12-volume collection.

Thank you!

It would be great if some of the remaining public domain classic collections were broken up - eg Epistles of John, Genesis  and Colossians. Many of them have already been broken up but some haven't

Also John Brown of Haddington's Systematic Theology is available as part of the Systematic Theologies Collection for $1,592.81 but not available separately (it was part of a CP set that has been languishing unfunded for years).

This week I met a guy from Chile who is doing a ThM on Brown's Covenantal Theology (he's mentioned by Joel Beeke here). He would love to have this resource digitally, but there's no chance of it making it through Community Pricing in the year he will be studying.

I would pay $100 just for that resource (and have bid the maximum price for the CP set) - please could you make it available to buy separately Ben? Even for a ridiculous price!

I would pay $100 just for that resource (and have bid the maximum price for the CP set) - please could you make it available to buy separately Ben?

I don't think it's even been produced yet: https://www.logos.com/product/54327/a-compendious-view-of-natural-and-revealed-religion. Maybe someone with the Systematic Theologies collection could confirm.

I'm glad to hear that Logos is looking into this issue. Like others, I'd rather spend more on the one stand-alone book. It's not a bargain if I have to spend an extra $50 on books I don't want. And, like others, I've had to and be practical keep my money in my wallet.

I would pay $100 just for that resource (and have bid the maximum price for the CP set) - please could you make it available to buy separately Ben?

I don't think it's even been produced yet: https://www.logos.com/product/54327/a-compendious-view-of-natural-and-revealed-religion. Maybe someone with the Systematic Theologies collection could confirm.

John Brown's Systematic Theology resource Table of Contents:

Keep Smiling [:)]

Ben

The counterpoint series is currently on sale but I believe some of them are bundled and can't be purchased at the sale price. Any chance they can be broken up so they can also go on sale? 

https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/software-sale-expositors-bible-commentary-counterpoints-and-more/ 

Is it possible to separate these two resources? I have no use for the audio book.

https://www.logos.com/product/43721/galatians-for-you-for-reading-for-feeding-for-leading 

Please break this collection too:

https://www.logos.com/product/55068/select-works-of-norman-l-geisler-ii

I have one book and I only need Reasons for Belief. So my dynamic pricing is not worth getting the two I don’t have.  Reasons for Belief is the only one I need, pretty please!

DAL

Still waiting on this one. Amazon is looking good but I am holding out hope for a little longer.

https://www.logos.com/product/55822/crossway-studies-on-the-trinitarian-god#002 

Ben - I wrote to you this week, but you were probably on vacation... hopefully you will see this when you get back. [:)]

I am interested in acquiring one or two resources from THIS collection, which I don't already own the title. As it turns out, I own most of the titles from Vyrso, but haven't received the Logos edition yet. You should also check the Vyrso store, as they are still listed. 

For Christmas, I bought my dad a print copy (he isn't into digital books) of Paul Tripp's New Morning Mercies:

https://www.logos.com/product/145484/crossway-christian-living-collection#007

The plan is for him and I to both be reading this book and occasionally share our thoughts. I would love to own it in Logos format, so I can highlight and search it, but I am not interested in purchasing the whole collection. Could this book be unbundled please?

https://www.logos.com/product/145484/crossway-christian-living-collection#007

I am not interested in purchasing the whole collection. Could this book be unbundled please?

It's on sale on Vyrso here for $5.99:

https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=New+Morning+Mercies 

although you won't get the tagging benefits of Logos resources. Still a good deal. And hopefully the Vyrso version will be retired and upgraded to the Logos edition at some point. 

It's on sale on Vyrso here for $5.99:

https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=New+Morning+Mercies 

although you won't get the tagging benefits of Logos resources. Still a good deal. And hopefully the Vyrso version will be retired and upgraded to the Logos edition at some point. 

Myke, thanks for pointing this out! I did not know it was available in Vyrso format. Looking back on the collection, I see that it is still in the "gathering interest" stage of pre-publication. Hopefully, like you said, when this collection goes live the Vyrso edition of New Morning Mercies will be converted to Logos format.

Ben - I wrote to you this week, but you were probably on vacation... hopefully you will see this when you get back.

I am interested in acquiring one or two resources from THIS collection, which I don't already own the title. As it turns out, I own most of the titles from Vyrso, but haven't received the Logos edition yet. You should also check the Vyrso store, as they are still listed. 

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Ben - I wrote to you this week, but you were probably on vacation... hopefully you will see this when you get back.

I am interested in acquiring one or two resources from THIS collection, which I don't already own the title. As it turns out, I own most of the titles from Vyrso, but haven't received the Logos edition yet. You should also check the Vyrso store, as they are still listed. 

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I was just in the middle looking into this

One quick note on Vyrso to Logos editions: sometimes, the Vyrso edition has a different ISBN than the Logos edition. This is why some of the resources seemed to be overlooked from time to time. Because it's a different ISBN, we often have to create a new version. This is why you often don't automatically get the Logos edition.

That said, we should still retire the other edition from Vyrso when we get a different edition in Logos.

In some cases where the two books are identical but for the ISBN, we will still unlock the additional resource for those who already own the Vyrso edition. Where there are differences, though, there isn't much we can do.

This may not apply to all of the resources mentioned in this thread. I'll look into each of those separately.

This may not apply to all of the resources mentioned in this thread. I'll look into each of those separately.

Ben, thank you for your clear and helpful note. If possible, I'd love to know whether the New Morning Mercies Vyrso edition I purchased is slated to be retired when the Logos edition goes from pre-publication to live.

Is it possible to separate these two resources? I have no use for the audio book.

https://www.logos.com/product/43721/galatians-for-you-for-reading-for-feeding-for-leading 

Hi Mattillo,

The book without the audio is currently available as part of this collection: https://www.logos.com/product/34162/timothy-keller-expository-guides-and-studies-on-judges-and-galatians

I'll add that collection to the list of resources to be split out.

Please break this collection too:

https://www.logos.com/product/55068/select-works-of-norman-l-geisler-ii

I have one book and I only need Reasons for Belief. So my dynamic pricing is not worth getting the two I don’t have.  Reasons for Belief is the only one I need, pretty please!

DAL

This is on the list

For Christmas, I bought my dad a print copy (he isn't into digital books) of Paul Tripp's New Morning Mercies:

https://www.logos.com/product/145484/crossway-christian-living-collection#007

The plan is for him and I to both be reading this book and occasionally share our thoughts. I would love to own it in Logos format, so I can highlight and search it, but I am not interested in purchasing the whole collection. Could this book be unbundled please?

Hi Daniel,

Since this product is still in pre-pub, we won't be splitting it out yet. Once it's funded, produced, and shipped we'll add it to the list of books to be split.

This may not apply to all of the resources mentioned in this thread. I'll look into each of those separately.

Ben, thank you for your clear and helpful note. If possible, I'd love to know whether the New Morning Mercies Vyrso edition I purchased is slated to be retired when the Logos edition goes from pre-publication to live.

I'm looking into this right now. I'll let you know when I hear something back.

Why did New morning mercies get taken off the vyrso sale for best of 2017?

Please break this collection too:

https://www.logos.com/product/55068/select-works-of-norman-l-geisler-ii

I have one book and I only need Reasons for Belief. So my dynamic pricing is not worth getting the two I don’t have.  Reasons for Belief is the only one I need, pretty please!

DAL

This is on the list

Thank you 👍😁👌

Is it possible to separate these two resources? I have no use for the audio book.

https://www.logos.com/product/43721/galatians-for-you-for-reading-for-feeding-for-leading 

Hi Mattillo,

The book without the audio is currently available as part of this collection: https://www.logos.com/product/34162/timothy-keller-expository-guides-and-studies-on-judges-and-galatians

I'll add that collection to the list of resources to be split out.

Thank you sir for not forgetting about this and keeping it on your to do list.  I appreciate it

I'm looking into this right now. I'll let you know when I hear something back.

Ben,

Please can you do the same for Grudem's The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today. It's available for sale in Vyrso, but a Logos edition also exists.

Another one to add to the list Ben sir.  I'd like to get the NT Survey book from this one

www.logos.com/product/43952/

I'm looking into this right now. I'll let you know when I hear something back.

Ben,

Please can you do the same for Grudem's The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today. It's available for sale in Vyrso, but a Logos edition also exists.

Cool, thanks, Mark! I snatched the Vyrso edition just in case it gets removed later. Hopefully, soon, I’ll get upgraded to the Logos version for free

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