Mind Mapping program integration
I know I've heard from those in the past that have used mind mapping software alongside Logos. I just recently tried it out and I love it. I'm using a free program called Freeplane to collect info about the atonement. My plan is to go through the NT and note all verses dealing with the death/burial/resurrection/atonement, categorize them according to the contribution they make to the subject, and then link those contributions to resources in Logos that address the link.
Freeplane is working pretty well but for those who use for pay programs what advantage do other programs have over whats available for free?
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I know I've heard from those in the past that have used mind mapping software alongside Logos. I just recently tried it out and I love it. I'm using a free program called Freeplane to collect info about the atonement. My plan is to go through the NT and note all verses dealing with the death/burial/resurrection/atonement, categorize them according to the contribution they make to the subject, and then link those contributions to resources in Logos that address the link.
Freeplane is working pretty well but for those who use for pay programs what advantage do other programs have over whats available for free?
Philip, I am just getting going with my two "for pay" programs. And I have never heard of "freeplane." There were a few other free ones I played around with that were decent (Freemind, Mindmeister, and . . . Cayacera? or something--it had a funky cool dynamic presentation/constructino).
I have played with Mindjet's MindManager 8 the most. It is kind of the business standard and has integration with MS apps, and even embeds web browsing. It is very powerful and easy to manipulate.
"Buzan's iMindMap" takes the name from the well known guru of Mind Mapping. They have only been in digital business for about two or three years, I think, but are getting very good. They LOOK more organic (which supposedly is a plus). They are starting to integrate more with MS. Very visual. Quirky fun, but powerful. Buzan is a bit of a showman, but they have an award winning product that goes about things a bit differently than Mindjet.
For Mac, NovaMind looks pretty cool.
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ps, I believe the for pay ones have better integration (with MS and other things) and tools and are less buggy. But you have to pay. It's nice to get going with the free ones. I like the look and feel of the for pay ones a lot better.
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I can't see it happening, but I would be thrilled to have some Logos and mindmapping (say with Mindjet) software. I think your look at the atonement is a prime example. Just think how you could export some verses to different nodes, and build ideas/study/questions, etc off of each one. You could arrange them by theme (domain?) and show relationships between them.
It is nice to have a more 'organic' layout possibility. It is not 100 percent organic, in that all builds off a central topic, but it is better than the traditional outline in many ways.
Right now I am looking at the three "suffering/prediction" passages in Mark. I just thought how I would like to easily put them in a mindmap and build off of them (context of each one, differences, etc)
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i'd like to hear from Jim McDaniel. I have seen his mug on the MindManager website/blog and it seems he has had much more experience with this than i have
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ref tagger would not work in a mind map, would it Phil? But links back to Logos would (of passages). hmmm
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I've used Inspiration for years. Inspiration is targeted at teachers and provides mind-mapping, tree diagrams, outlines, graphic organizer templates etc. at a very reasonable price. I've tried several other programs and always end up going back to Inspiration.
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I've used Inspiration for years. Inspiration is targeted at teachers and provides mind-mapping, tree diagrams, outlines, graphic organizer templates etc. at a very reasonable price. I've tried several other programs and always end up going back to Inspiration.
had not heard of that. YOU are a mindmapper--maybe several of us need to start a google wave on using mindmapping and Logos/bible study . . . [Y]
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YOU are a mindmapper--maybe several of us need to start a google wave on using mindmapping and Logos/bible study
I am very interested in graphic forms of Bible study because that is the future of Bible study. Today's students are much more visually oriented in their studying habits and Bible study will need to move in the same direction to take advantage of their skills.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I started looking at mind mapping software a couple of weeks ago and came across XMind - http://www.xmind.net/. It has a free and pay version. I'm liking it so far.
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here is one way to use Mind Maps. Caveat: I am a novice at this and have never taken training. It helps me see relationships visually. MindManager8 is not "religious" and I had a paltry few "icons" to help make it visual. iMindMap supposedly can import it, and they have way more visuals, but alas, iMM must not recognized the newer version of MM8
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One of the ways I use mind maps is to build cross-references into webs such as the following. I then put notes on the links with my observations on how each verse affects my understanding of the whole. To make this appropriately sized, I used bread only rather than bread and wine. Colors indicate the number of levels from the base verse. I would love it if Logos were, in the future, to offer the cross-reference as a single web with color coding of relations (e.g. quotation, allusion, deuterograph, parallel, shared image ....)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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ref tagger would not work in a mind map, would it Phil? But links back to Logos would (of passages). hmmm
I only tried it briefly but you can save Freemind/Freeplane mindmaps as html. I'm hoping once I'm done that I will be able to put it on my website with reftagger installed.
FWIW Freeplane is an expansion of Freemind. Some of the developers wanted to take it a different direction so they did.
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I've been using MindMapping to organize my goals and tasks. Used FreeMind for a while but recently discovered MindJet's MindMapper and it's better. I'm not a mind mapping jockey yet at all, but I see great possibilities for it in Bible study. Martha is right -- graphical/visual study methods are the future, as everyone is brought up to be more visual these days. Precepts inductive study highlighting styles is already one tip of the hat to this, and syntax diagrams. But I expect Logos will grow more and more graphical in the future.
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I've used Inspiration for years. Inspiration is targeted at teachers and provides mind-mapping, tree diagrams, outlines, graphic organizer templates etc. at a very reasonable price. I've tried several other programs and always end up going back to Inspiration.
I see the education focus. It looks like they have tried to add a variety of graphics. For me, a full arsenal of graphics is essential for mindmapping. If it is done well, some maps would not need many words.
There are several ways, I am noticing, to mindmap: many words, links to documents and applications, visual representations, etc. MindManager is not so much about graphics, as it is a business application. But it does so many things so well. It would be nice for them to come out with a robust graphics package and team up with a bible software company, say . . . . Logos.
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One of the ways I use mind maps is to build cross-references into webs such as the following. I then put notes on the links with my observations on how each verse affects my understanding of the whole. To make this appropriately sized, I used bread only rather than bread and wine. Colors indicate the number of levels from the base verse. I would love it if Logos were, in the future, to offer the cross-reference as a single web with color coding of relations (e.g. quotation, allusion, deuterograph, parallel, shared image ....)
did you have to cut and paste your verses? Anyway, I like the simplicity of your drawing. Now, technically, this is not a mindmap, is it? (even though I would argue it acts as one!)
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MJ: where are your John 6 references???? [:P]
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This is funny. I just posted something about creating charts and Mind Maps. I spent the greater part of last nite looking at these software. I was looking at SmartDraw, Inspiration and Mind Jet's product. It looks as if there are a lot of opinions on this. I am not sure if these will help in building a Horizontal Charts, but they can be used for a lot of cool data display.
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for what its worth, here is what I have so far. I'm still working on going through the whole Bible, then I have to clean it up, then I have to continue putting the verses in topics, but its a start. I'm using this more as a collection point of data then to create a visual display. What I'm planning on doing at this point is attaching the subjects as a child to the verse, getting rid of everything on the left, and then creating a separate mind map for the verses divided into the subjects they contribute to. From what I've seen so far the program I have is the best for what I'm doing now, but that i might want to use a pay program when I'm ready to prettify the final product.
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wow, that is some massive work, Phillip. How did you get the verses into it?
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I am not sure if these will help in building a Horizontal Charts
I don't know exactly what you mean by horizontal chart (work flow?) but in MindManager, some maps have the main branches arranged horizontally with branches moving downward off of them.
SmartDraw has a lot of cool templates and charts and some images, but it is not as functional (at least my version, which is one behind the current one) as something like MindManager with full MS integration (more or less), embedded web browsing, etc.
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wow, that is some massive work, Phillip. How did you get the verses into it?
I've been speed reading each book for the verses, and as they come up I manually type them in. I'm sure there are some that I have missed, but it has really been worth doing.
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Thanks for the discussion and examples; I've been trying to figure out how to better capture the result of lots of referential study for my SS class in a way that might also be useful to be an aide to presentation/understanding of the class.
Seeing how others are handling similar challenges is helpful--although the graphical output may not be immediately intuitive to the independent observer. Certainly some ideas and potential products to noodle through...tks
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Hey MJ.
I just downloaded Inspiration. however, I still have yet to receive my Authorization Code. How long did you have to wait???????? This is disappointing.
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It looks like they have tried to add a variety of graphics.
Inspiration has made it very easy to import graphics which I find very useful. It's features for links, pop-up notes, etc. are very good. My only complaint over the years has been its handling of multiple pages in printing. I've found that I'm comfortable with Logos copy & paste into Inspiration as long as I can also copy & paste into Logos notes. With Inspiration, it is often just wanting to build a link. With linguistic diagrams such as TreeForm I am much more apt to want to embed the image rather than a link to the image.
Answer to unasked question: why do I want the images in notes? Because what I do is list the relevant Scripture references in the notes so that searches find the relevant graphics. Note I also do this with Chart Sermons and fine art.
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have so far. I'm still working on going through the whole Bible, then I have to clean it up, then I have to continue putting the verses in topics, but its a start. I'm using this more as a collection point of data then to create a visual display. What I'm planning on doing at this point is attaching the subjects as a child to the verse, getting rid of everything on the left, and then creating a separate mind map for the verses divided into the subjects they contribute to.
This is an excellent example of how tree diagrams can be used. For this type of diagram, I like software that allows me to expand and contract nodes to focus on what is relevant to me (or fellow participants) at the moment.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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although the graphical output may not be immediately intuitive to the independent observer.
This is true but most well-chosen and well-defined visualizations are quick to teach to an independent observer. Any many are sufficiently intuitive that people catch on without anything having been said.
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How long did you have to wait????????
I've been using it since you had to purchase a box in a brick and mortar store so I have no idea. Inspiration is a very small company.
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For this type of diagram, I like software that allows me to expand and contract nodes to focus on what is relevant to me (or fellow participants) at the moment.
Freeplane does allow me to do this. Unlike FreeMind it also allows you to manually move items to better locate them. I'm guessing that the For Pay mind mappers allow greater flexibility with where you put things, though.
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For those who are pastors, there are several companies that sell software to non-profits at a reduced rate. You can get Mindjet (which is fairly expensive) for under $100 that way. I love using mind mapping software to do sermon prep with Logos. For me it works best on two monitors.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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For those who are pastors, there are several companies that sell software to non-profits at a reduced rate. You can get Mindjet (which is fairly expensive) for under $100 that way. I love using mind mapping software to do sermon prep with Logos. For me it works best on two monitors.
fred, how do you use it, and how has it helped your sermon prep? Also, any tips to making the collaboration a bit more effecient?
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