Synchronization of format choices
I set the resource font to 120% on my netbook. I need it on that machine. But then I found the setting carries over to my other computers, where I don't need it.
It would be good if we could set appearance specs for each machine.
David Housholder
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I am still learning, pondering, and assimilating the new features and concepts of V.4, however the issue David mentions is a concern as I have experienced the sync feature. I, too use some different settings on my desktop as well as my laptops. I have been syncing documents in V.3, but it would be preferred if some (machine specific) settings were set apart. I don't really want to have to change them every time open or update the other machine. This kinda defeats the purpose of it "just working" - which is a great goal.
I am enjoying the challenge to think differently, learn and give help with the process of development. There are some really wonderful developments in this phase of the growth of this tool.
Thank you for your commitment to this tool and for the opportunity.
Trey Selman
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Please identify all the settings you DON'T want synced.
I'm a bit nervous about this, because it creates a "hold some of my calls" problem -- if it brings over all your settings except 4, how are you to know that settings are coming over? Or will people think it's "half broken" and call support? What if they have two desktops with identical monitors and get upset that font size isn't syncing? I don't really want to have to offer "Synch this?" options for every setting... But I do see how Program Scaling and Default Font Size could be obvious enough to leave at machine level... (maybe we move them into a "Machine specific" group in the Settings panel?)
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Why not have all settings sync by default, and then allow users to check boxes in the Settings menu to "unchecK' items not to sync? For me, I would use the same settings on all machines, so it seems like broad categories of "Font Size" & "Layouts"would be simplest.0
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I completely understand this nervousness, especially about the cost of support calls.
To give a quick response (hopefully followed later with a response that has greater consideration. I want to let some things sink in and ponder them a bit. I know that I will need to make adjustments in my thinking and I want to give the most important thoughts)...
Sync less desired
Program Scaling, resource specific font sizes/scaling/font-type, a default/startup layout (other layouts would be great)
Items to add to syncing (not familiar enough so some of these may already sync)
Index, prioritize list, collections
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Bob,
why can't we possibly have control over which items are synced (maybe not all but some items)? As an iphone user, you would be used to this level of comtrol. I use it on my ipod, my creative zen w, and my creative mp3 player... It is a very basic feature of all programs which have sync elements to allow users to select/deselect certain items
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lease identify all the settings you DON'T want synced.
I don't want all my layouts synced due to the different size of the screens. If I had to chose between all, some, or none. I would chose none.
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I don't want all my layouts synced due to the different size of the screens. If I had to chose between all, some, or none. I would chose none.
Why not just provide the ability to categorize layouts? then you would be able to quickly see those layouts in Cat 1 which you could title laptop display, and Cat 2 which you could title Desktop display. It could still sync all of them and yet keep the ones you don't need cluttering up the list hidden.
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Why not just provide the ability to categorize layouts? then you would be able to quickly see those layouts in Cat 1 which you could title laptop display, and Cat 2 which you could title Desktop display. It could still sync all of them and yet keep the ones you don't need cluttering up the list hidden.
Thanks Philip. Once synchronisation finally arrives in Australia, I suppose that this is the route that I'm going to have to go - more layouts on each machine than I actually want or need: netbook: commentaries notebook:commentaries netbook:bible dictionaries notebook:bible dictionaries. Its a work around, but I would prefer to be able simply to chose to not sync layouts.
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Ideally the options given by others below for check boxes and maximum choice would be my preference but the main ones would be font sizing issues or anything to do with resource or machine specific viewing issues. Different monitors with different sizes and resolutions and aging lenses (corrective reading aids - reading glasses) require different font sizes.
If the choices are possible I would even include updating with options like Windows update offers.
- Automatic update
- Schedule the time you want update to run
- Download but let me choose to install
- Check but let me choose to download and install
- Never check for update (manually run update when you want it to run) - this item is one of the first things I set
Have the defaults be to sync everything or fully automatic, which would help with the nervousness factor and potential support issues from less experienced users.
But for folks that need to have control over the power resources of their machine, this allows them to set preferences so that the machine doesn't do an intensive process right when they need it to do something else.
I do video editing on my desktop and I have minimized all kinds of background services and automatic updating. I am disciplined to update these things regularly. On my laptop I don't want the update feature to run right when I am getting ready to present before a group and cause headaches right before a presentation - been there done that, not good. Turned it off.
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Please identify all the settings you DON'T want synced.
Having now synced my two computers, I most definitely do not want the layouts or the shortcut bar synced (that is, I would like the option to not sync them).
The first shortcut on my toolbar is to a blank layout at the window size I like to use on my notebook computer (which is permanently docked with a 19" external monitor). This has also become the first shortcut on my netbook. When I click on it in my netbook, it produces a window of exactly the same size as on my 19" monitor which spills oover the side and down off the screen of my netbook monitor (which is only 10")
I remember Bob suggesting that windows were drawn proportionally, but I can't find that thread. If that is supposed to be the case, it is not working on my installs.
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Please identify all the settings you DON'T want synced.
I would greatly prefer to NOT sync visual markups or even better to be able to save them as a file (by passage or article, etc). I know that they can be toggled on or off by using the visual filters check box, but I may want to have different markups for the same passage.
If we can save them as a file then syncing them would be great.
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Having now synced my two computers, I most definitely do not want the layouts or the shortcut bar synced (that is, I would like the option to not sync them).
We do need sync options!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I would greatly prefer to NOT sync visual markups
So if you put different markups on the same passage on different machines, then one crashes its hard drive, and you get a new machine, do you just lose those markups? Or are we quietly backing both sets of markup to the server, but only restoring to each machines its own? And then creating UI on a clean new install to ask which machines' backed up highlighting you want?
I'm just thinking this is too complicated for the benefit, and requires too much UI and potential for confusion. Even if we just let you mark highlighting as "never sync" (and thus never backed up), I can see people calling later and wanting it restored to new systems, available when they browse the book on the web, etc....
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I would greatly prefer to NOT sync visual markups
So if you put different markups on the same passage on different machines, then one crashes its hard drive, and you get a new machine, do you just lose those markups? Or are we quietly backing both sets of markup to the server, but only restoring to each machines its own? And then creating UI on a clean new install to ask which machines' backed up highlighting you want?
I'm just thinking this is too complicated for the benefit, and requires too much UI and potential for confusion. Even if we just let you mark highlighting as "never sync" (and thus never backed up), I can see people calling later and wanting it restored to new systems, available when they browse the book on the web, etc....
I can see the problem. Personally, the only time I mark up a text (unless notes are considered to be mark up) is for temporary purposes when I want to return to a point after finishing something else after which I remove the mark up. I would suggest that you simply let everyone know what needs to be backed up or transferred to maintain whatever mark ups they may have and let them do it themselvesl.
george
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Bob,
Visual Markups is something I would not want sync'd. But, is there a way to remove all markups:
- in a specific resource?
- in all resources?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bob,
Visual Markups is something I would not want sync'd. But, is there a way to remove all markups:
- in a specific resource?
- in all resources?
I do want mark-up sync'd, but I also echo Dave's questions here.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Bob,
Keep markup sync'd.
One reason I have rarely used markup in the past is because it would be inconsistent when I go from one computer to another. The same reason has kept me from using notes. I love seeing all of these things sync'd.0 -
the only way that I could see this working for those who are for and are against is that the markups sync, but have the ability to be "turned off" separately on a per-markup basis at each pc....
Robert Pavich
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I clumsily combined two thoughts - causing confusion. My bad. And only one of the thoughts was worth mentioning.
My preference would be able to have multiple sets of Visual markups for the same passage which could each be shown (and saved) by choosing that markup set from a drop down list or by opening a file that could be opened/toggled on/off. If this was possible, then syncing them would be ideal.
When I saw the "New line above and below" markup style my heart leaped at the possibilities of being able to phrase/outline a passage. Adding additional styles to indent these lines a few indents/tabs deep would be almost too much to ask for, but it can't hurt to ask.
e.g.
1. a Phrase/Outline type markup for Ephesians 4 and then
2. a separate highlight markup for parts of speech for Ephesians 4
both as separate files that could be saved and shown together or one at a time.
syncing these would be great and very much appreciated.
Sorry again for the confusing post.
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Sorry, I took so long to get back with you for a response here.
I would like to correct my statement and view on visual markups and syncing...
I have been trying to adjust my thinking.
Fully syncing all visual markups would be preferred. I did not communicate clearly what was in my mind.
It would be great to have the ability to have different sets of visual markups for the same passage and be able to turn each of them on or off.As it is currently you can only show all or none.
There are many different ways that I would like to markup text and be able to toggle the different set of markups on or off.
As it is now, I would have to erase and rebuild different sets of markups.
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Please identify all the settings you DON'T want synced.
But I do see how Program Scaling and
Default Font Size could be obvious enough to leave at machine level...
(maybe we move them into a "Machine specific" group in the Settings
panel?)After spending the past few weeks working in the program I am finding that I really would prefer to have some machine specific settings. Primarily Program Scaling/Default Font Size. The display settings (font) in general
Laptop and Desktop resolutions and sizes are different and my eyes are not what they used to be, so I'm having to constantly change the settings and/or set Internet Use to No. I would prefer not to use this setting considering the recent discussions about the intention to move to use online features. (I will say I do see the need to be able for this system to function offline and I appreciate your making this a possibility)
I do understand the possibility about syncing between two desktops with the same resolutions and monitor sizes. But I would guess there are also many who have different systems - especially desktop/laptop. I don't spend all day answering tech support questions but I would hope that having these display type settings would not be to difficult to make and once these are set they would probably not change. At least while the eyes are still good.
I guess some questions may be... is there more Desktop/Desktop syncing or Desktop/Laptop(netbook) syncing? Would this kind of setting (display settings) not being synced be a problem such that would cause a lot of customer service call? Y'all have done a great deal of research and I imagine you have some stats to help you make the decision.
I am too biased and do not have the data to make that kind of objective call. I do know that it has been a hassle to frequently change these settings back and forth between laptop and desktop because they are being synced. So, it would be my preference to have some "machine specific settings" that do not get synced.
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