Markups & Highlighting

We have been told that Logos is minimally working on notes. No word on highlighting yet, but I really hope they do.

Actually when Logos4 was first going to be launched Logos had the terrible oversight of thinking that we wouldn't miss highlighting. They weren't going to include it and scrambled last minute. Hopefully understanding that the users really do use highlighting as a primary tool will move them to include it in the iPhone app

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/99502#Comment_99502

I prefer to read things electronically, but you loose much of the value in reading if you have no way of capturing what you think is important.. For me highlighting is a core feature of a reading application, which is primarily how I use Logos on my iPod.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/99507#Comment_99507

I prefer to read things electronically, but you loose much of the value in reading if you have no way of capturing what you think is important.. For me highlighting is a core feature of a reading application, which is primarily how I use Logos on my iPod.

I agree totally. The way that I use highlighting is to slow down and mark what I thought was of most importance (either to application or understanding). Highlighting is therefore a tool that I use alongside notetaking (much more often than notetaking). Then once I have a book marked up, I love how I can jump to "next highlight" (using the down arrow icon on the resource window of L4) and move quickly through the salient poitns of a book; analagous to picking up a well-marked paperback and going through for highlights and notes.

I don't feel that highlighting is optional in either L4 or iPhone app, especially given the reading focus of the iPhone app. I really hope that it is developed with offline reading, then syncing in mind as well.

Think about the basic features that a pure reader needs, Kindle did it:

Text on screen: done
highlighting (present on kindle missing on Logos iPhone)
note taking (present on kindle, missing on Logos iPhone)
Searching (present on kindle, present on Logos iPhone in online mode only, so missing during much of the time I'm using the app on my iPod)

April Pyle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/99527#Comment_99527

Think about the basic features that a pure reader needs, Kindle did it:

Text on screen: done

highlighting (present on kindle missing on Logos iPhone)

note taking (present on kindle, missing on Logos iPhone)

Searching (present on kindle, present on Logos iPhone in online mode only, so missing during much of the time I'm using the app on my iPod)

I see that Kindle has an ap for the Iphone/Ipod/touch now but I could not find if you could use it if you do not own a kindle. Anybody know?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/100892#Comment_100892

It does. I use the Kindle app on my iPod touch and PC and do not own a device. The only difference is that you have to go to amazon to buy the books (outside the app) although you can still actually purchase the books from your ipod/iphone. Works great for reading, notes, highlighting.

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/100919#Comment_100919

I love Logos App, but I also use Olive Tree on my iTouch. It allows me to sync my notes to Evernote. This would be a wonderful option. Thank!

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/101390#Comment_101390

[Y]+1

all of the above

lostlogik

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/101401#Comment_101401

I think this will become even more of an issue when the iPad comes out. I can understand the omission for the iPhone, given its size (though wish it was present) but once people start using the iPad it will be a glaring shortcoming. I for one will be using Logos a lot on the iPad and really hope highlighting and notes find their way there asap. At the moment it's why I'm using BibleReader so much - Evernote syncing is brilliant and the highlighting likewise.

Tom Blanchard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/102267#Comment_102267

Add my voice positively to this discussion. I'm reading this year through the ESV Study Bible on my ipod touch (still waiting for any Logos version) with the Kindle app, though I also have it in OliveTree. Kindle at least allows me to highlight in the notes and articles. (I'm not promoting Kindle!) I'd love to be able to do that with L4, offline on my ipod, then sync. Maybe someday soon?

Aaron Knotts

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/102271#Comment_102271

Full agreement with the above. Having my library (or select books) with me all the time is brilliant, although lacking in just a few minor issues such as this.

Highlighting is a must have on the iPhone app. [Y] +1

Also, with the favourites, I'd like to be able highlight a word at the point I am bookmarking and have it shown in the text of the favourite to help me recall what it was, rather than just the page number.

thanks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/102839#Comment_102839

I'm not sure if Logos keeps an eye on the user voice voting forum for the iPhone app... but never hurts to vote for this feature or others.

http://bit.ly/c3fKrA

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/103337#Comment_103337

+1 [Y] on all of this!!

Rev. Wayne Paul Barrett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109314#Comment_109314

To be able to easily send notes (selected text) to Evernote would be a great feature, in both the iPhone app and the desktop apps for both Windows and Mac.

Add my vote.

Bob Pritchett

Highlighting and notes are both planned, but I don't have a delivery date.

Any suggestions on how to handle choosing from large highlight palettes on a small iPhone screen? Let you pick a highlight and then just use that one through a quick UI? Or make it easy to pick from, say, your last three used?

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Bob, what if you select the text and then do a hold so a menu pops up. First would be a menu item that would just highlight and would default to last used. Then you could list two other most recently used below that and fourth item be a palette that picks from all the highlight/markup items available.

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109542#Comment_109542

For Markups and highlighting, why not take a look at how Docs to Go accomplishes this feature. They have a very simple and user friendly user interface.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Any suggestions on how to handle choosing from large highlight palettes on a small iPhone screen? Let you pick a highlight and then just use that one through a quick UI? Or make it easy to pick from, say, your last three used?

I would think that a text-select option should be able to be turned on (probably by both the swipe-up and tap-and-hold motions). Then once in text select mode, after selecting the text you want, you could tap and hold for the pop-up letting us either highlight, add a note, or something else (share, report typo, copy, search for text, etc).

As for highlighting styles. I think that a default set (two colors and an underline or something like that) should be created, but then let us manipulate it within Logos4. We should have a palette called "mobile" or something like that within our underlining palettes list. That way if we don't like the default ones provided we can change them.

Thanks for wanting to make this possible, Bob.

William Baptiste SFO

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

May the Grace and Peace of Jesus be with all of you on Logos Forums!

Highlighting and notes are both planned, but I don't have a delivery date.

I am very glad to hear that both highlighting (text markup) and annotations are definitely "in the works", at least in as much as they are planned. Regarding delivery date, may I suggest that just a simple highlighter to start off with is the top priority? It would be great if very soon we could at least just markup our books with even just a simple yellow highlighter (online or offline) that syncs with our desktop Logos installation, so that we can easily find again anything we thought was important while reading books on the iPhone.

A greater selection of markup options later on would be welcome, of course, as would annotations eventually (though lengthy annotations are better saved for the main computer, since the iPhone size requires one use the slower "find and poke" method of typing [:)]. But I think just one simple highlighter sooner should be the top priority, since until the iPhone App has this ability, the Logos books on the App are actually less functional than print books, at least in as much that print books can be highlighted.

May the Lord bless and keep all of you in His Love

Terry Poperszky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Highlighting and notes are both planned, but I don't have a delivery date.

Bob, a roadmap or some sort of communication from Logos on where the feature set on the iPhone would be greatly appreciated. There are a lot of suggestions and comments on the forums but not much feedback from Logos as to what the plans actually are. I'm not asking for dates, but know where we are going to end up would be helpful.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Glad to hear these are planned features! I can't wait to have both.

I think whatever makes highlighting and notes simple and easy to use (like Kindle simple) is the way to go. If it takes more than a few taps it becomes tedious and is incomparable to a highlighter & paper combo.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

As a faithful Logos iPhone app user I hate to say this, but the Olive Tree Reader iPhone app is very well designed and has an impressive list of features - not to mention a very usable interface. Personally, I would make constant use of the following features on the Logos iPhone app (assuming the appropriate items synced to the regular software!!!!!!):

Notes (sync)
Highlighting/visual markup (sync)
Bookmarks (sync)
Split-screen usability/reading
Text and background color adjustment
Offline searching, Passage Guide, Bible Word Study, etc. usage

I realize this is a long list of features that will require significant effort get up and running, but I believe they are all extremely valuable!

As always, the Logos team continues to do an amazing job! Keep up the awesome work!

Dan Sheppard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109653#Comment_109653

I am very glad to hear that both highlighting (text markup) and annotations are definitely "in the works", at least in as much as they are planned. Regarding delivery date, may I suggest that just a simple highlighter to start off with is the top priority? It would be great if very soon we could at least just markup our books with even just a simple yellow highlighter (online or offline) that syncs with our desktop Logos installation, so that we can easily find again anything we thought was important while reading books on the iPhone.

I agree that expediting the availability of it is most important, in contrast to getting all the colors, lines, etc. Those are secondary.

To begin with, whichever is easier: one solid underline or one simple color - yellow or blue, say.

The simple example would be to emulate that large Seattle bookstore online, which came up with an e-reader which rhymes with "spindle". You click on the iphone screen, and two dots appear. You pull on one dot and it extends the selection. Once chosen, since you have two points on screen, it knows to bring up the menu of TWO selections: notes or highlight. You pick highlight and yellow coloring appears.

Aaron Knotts

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109955#Comment_109955

I agree that expediting the availability of it is most important, in contrast to getting all the colors, lines, etc. Those are secondary.

agreed [Y] +1

...emulate that large Seattle bookstore online, which came up with an e-reader which rhymes with "spindle"....

LOL [:D]

...Once chosen, since you have two points on screen, it knows to bring up the menu of TWO selections: notes or highlight...."

This would seem to be the sticking point. Currently a click and hold 'selects' a word and offers [search the Bible for] and [Bible Word Study on]. A quick tap is the "info / toolbar" screen, although it seems a downward swipe will also achieve this. Is it possible that a quick tap would then perform the typical iPhone select (with the handles around a word), then the contextual menu that ususally pops us is "select all / copy / paste", whereby it could be "add note / add highlight"?

I hope this makes sense.....thinking out loud.

Dan Sheppard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109968#Comment_109968

Is it possible that a quick tap would then perform the typical iPhone select (with the handles around a word), then the contextual menu that ususally pops us is "select all / copy / paste", whereby it could be "add note / add highlight"?

Perhaps this is what you're saying, but why not just "select all / copy / paste /note /highlight"?????

Ed Stone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Bob, there is one Bible app I use now for my iPhone (while waiting for functionality and key Bibles in Logos [:)]) that I think does multicolor highlighting brilliantly. It also has a really great way of doing Strongs inline that really has a great workflow feel to it.

If you are interested in knowing the name, feel free to contact me and I will send the name of the app offline.

Ed Stone

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/111388#Comment_111388

If you are interested in knowing the name, feel free to contact me and I will send the name of the app offline.

Ed Stone

Ahhh....come on Ed, don't play like that! HAHA! Does this unnamed app share initials with the Old Testament...... ;0 ?!?!

Blessings!

Gabe Powell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109653#Comment_109653

I agree with Peter... one simple highlighter should be sufficient first time around. Even in the L4 I only use one highlighter, so I don't need multiple options, though I understand why some would.

But the important thing in addition to highlighting is making sure it syncs to the computer.

April Pyle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/111460#Comment_111460

Ditto!!! Pretty please, Logos. This one is really valuable.

sffoodie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/111464#Comment_111464

I haven't purchased logos yet and have some questions about the markups & highlighting. I am on a Mac (praying the Mac version at least makes it to beta soon!) and it's important for me to sync my highlights, notes, and precept markups to my iPad.

Are you guys saying that those features are not in Logos 4?

or that they don't sync to iphone/ipad?

or both?

thanks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117468#Comment_117468

Yup, unfortunately that's what we're saying...

Kevin Grady

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117482#Comment_117482

OK that is a question I have had and could not find answers too. I also have other iPhone Bible software that will allow me to do that but not in Logos. To be honest, I was thinking about having an iPad and using that inside of my laptop. I could use it for reading the bible, comparing translations on verses, have my notes and my sermon. Would be great if you could just create a link in the message, hit it and it would turn to that page in the Bible. Has anyone been able to do that yet?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117509#Comment_117509

Would be great if you could just create a link in the message, hit it and it would turn to that page in the Bible. Has anyone been able to do that yet?

What you're hoping for is possible on the full version of the software on your laptop. It is not possible, unfortunately, as of yet on the iPhone app. Which of these was your question referring to?

Kevin Grady

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117567#Comment_117567

I didn't know you could do that. I HATE the new home page and wish it was more like the old 3 version. I am so lost on 4. I was thinking it would be so nice to have a bible open, have my notes there as well.. and for my next point, just click on a link and it will take me to my next note and verse. I am not so much caring about iPhone as I am for i Pad. However after looking at HP's possible pad, slate or whatever, I think that maybe worth waiting for. I should be able to install the full software and it will have a USB 2 port as well as a camera and WiFi and 64 gb drive. Will run windows 7 and be like a laptop with just the screen. That would be nice to be able to put the whole program on. But anyway.. I am more interested in the i Pad and since they do not have a forum for that, I figured someone may know.

Terry Poperszky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117678#Comment_117678

But anyway.. I am more interested in the i Pad and since they do not have a forum for that, I figured someone may know.

I can't address your question, but I can assure you that at this time, the iPhone forum is the place to post iPad questions. Interestingly enough when you call for support on an iPhone/iPad issue, you are given to the Mac support group.

Dave Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/117786#Comment_117786

Just adding my $.02 to the discussion. At first I really wanted my notes to sync to the iPhone app. It would be nice to read notes but I don't see myself typing a lot of notes on my iPhone, I'd have to toggle between what I was reading and what I'm typing.

Then over time I realized how I was using the mobile app. More as a book reader than researching topics. For me I'd prefer to have a simple highlighting tool. I'd even be happy with it just being available in books that are not the Bible. So by "clicking' on a word would bring up a highlight option instead of search. I'd be happy with it being a mobile style so I can search for it back on the PC/Mac and type up my notes.

sffoodie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109900#Comment_109900

Notes (sync)

Highlighting/visual markup (sync)

Bookmarks (sync)

Split-screen usability/reading

Text and background color adjustment

Offline searching, Passage Guide, Bible Word Study, etc. usage

I agree with all of this. Specifically, I think the iPad is the killer bible study app and I want to make it my primary study tool. Taking notes and marking up (I use precept) on the iPad and syncing with my mac is imperative. I would like to see more effort towards the iPad because it really is the best way to study the bible. I won't purchase Logos until those two things are available on both mac and iPad

Dan Higgins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/118230#Comment_118230

One more for highlights and markups. I'm not a big fan of Olive Tree. (I like Mantis better for the UI. I don't like split screen when space is so limited, Mantis has a cool approach. But Mantis lacks resources.) Obviously my greatest investment in resources has been in Logos. Would be great to have the highlighting. And have it sync with the highlights I create on the desktop.

Kellogg Family

I agree, it would be nice ot have a very basic highlighting and notes thing,( like a basic yellow highlighter is you select text and press highlight, or add note to add note to text).

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/109536#Comment_109536

Any suggestions on how to handle choosing from large highlight palettes on a small iPhone screen? Let you pick a highlight and then just use that one through a quick UI? Or make it easy to pick from, say, your last three used?

This is where I believe more control of the mobile versions in the desktop version is needed. For instance, the desktop version information page for a resource should have "available in mobile format" on it with the option to download, view, or hide it. it would be the same for highlighting. in order for a highlight to be available on a mobile app a box must be checked stating "make this available on mobile devices." A single control in the program settings would hide or display these settings, defaulting to hide.

so it would work like this. When I buy my IPad I would go into program settings on my desktop and select "show mobile options?" If I do not change this setting to yes then everything would be available on my mobile device. If I change it to yes options become available throughout the program. Reading plans could be deselected from showing up on mobile devices through the resource panel, as could resources. Right clicking on "Reading Plan" in the "File" tab would have an option that can be toggled somehow to select all reading plans for mobile use or select all to turn off mobile use. Same option would be on the highlighting panel.

That would at least allow someone to easily "clean up" the clutter on the mobile device.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/127728#Comment_127728

I think I like your suggestion Philip. I am not sure how much it would technically complicate whole thing, but that is not up to me to know [:)]

William Baptiste SFO

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/111464#Comment_111464

I agree with Peter... one simple highlighter should be sufficient first time around.

But the important thing in addition to highlighting is making sure it syncs to the computer.

Ditto!!! Pretty please, Logos. This one is really valuable.

Peace Be With All on Logos Forums!

I am glad people agree with me on the importance of just getting the basic highlighting functionality working on iPhone as soon as possible - fancier highlighting, and even notes, which would be awkward to do much on a small iPhone anyway, are a much lower priority.

The voices are getting more shrill...Logos, give us highlighting, or we die![:D]

May the LORD bless and keep you all

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/128146#Comment_128146

I read a lot of books on my iPod touch now. I find myself trying to select text and hit highlight or note in Logos all the time. PLEASE let me make notes on my devotional readings or at least highlight things I find important. Pretty please?

Michael G. Halpern

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/128162#Comment_128162

[Y][Y][Y]

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/129218#Comment_129218

me2

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/129220#Comment_129220

Still wishing for even a basic highlighting functionality. I want to read in my Logos app since it stays in sync with my reading plans and library, but am increasingly looking at other apps that have highlighting. I certainly am not looking for books I want to just read on Logos anymore. I know it isn't billed as a e-book reader, but this is a function, and I think one of the primary functions of the iPhone app for some of us. If I want to do research I will use the full functionality of my computer. If I want to read on the go, I will use the iPhone app and spend my time wishing I could make markups.

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141948#Comment_141948

Still wishing for even a basic highlighting functionality.

Coming in a future release. This isn't simple, and for various technical reasons is dependent on our porting our primary display engine...which first needs "pagination" support, etc. It's underway.

Kurt Trucksess

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141954#Comment_141954

Bob, thanks for keeping us up to date on this. Many of us are looking for highlighting, notes and clippings. I find myself using my iPad for reading more than my mac. It would be nice to have some of those basic features.
Can you share with us a roadmap of a few planned features? If not a roadmap, is there a planned regular update schedule like the mac alpha? If not, would it be possible to have one?
Kurt