Is it just me or did our free Faithlife Connect offerings go down the tube this month?

The FaithLife Classics only had 4 books that were over $20 and there was only one page with 10 total books for FaithLife Originals.

What happened? My subscription is up for renewal next month and if this is what its going to be like now then it doesn't seem worth it.

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Kristin Dantzler

At least this month the selection seemed very limited.

PetahChristian

FL changed it from 20 to 10 selections, due to some unknown customer complaints.

According to FL, it’s apparently better for us.

Simon’s Brother

Classics books are generally public domain so I would expect there to be an endless list of books over $20. For your subscription you are getting 2 books each month plus access to mobile ed course(s) and 2% of your purchases back for the year in credits. So overall I think it is still value for money despite some of the limitations discussed here and elsewhere regarding the limited selection of books.

The FaithLife Classics only had 4 books that were over $20 and there was only one page with 10 total books for FaithLife Originals.

What happened? My subscription is up for renewal next month and if this is what its going to be like now then it doesn't seem worth it.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997566#Comment_997566

Here is the response FL had posted regarding the change to Originals: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/172042/994021.aspx#994021

Liam Maguire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997571#Comment_997571

Personally very happy with the offerings through FLC this month and found it hard to choose from the 10 titles on offer. Though I'll admit that, once again, Faithlife need to do a better job of telling us about changes in advance. Communication with old-LN/new-FLC users seems to be there Achilles heel.

I also tend not to work through the classics list by price but rather interest. So long as my choices I cover my subscription cost each month, I'm more than happy.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997588#Comment_997588

I agree on the communications part but maybe I just missed it so the problem is on my end.

What irritates me the most is that you buy into something on a promise then they change it r lessen the value of it. People should honor the original promises. Thinking about what the government has done to military veterans. After your service then they deny any fault in your injuries and lower you benefits.

As a retiree I have to weigh the costs of things more carefully than I did when I was working. now the luxuries I could afford previously just don't make financial sense any more.

Mark Barnes

The FaithLife Classics only had 4 books that were over $20

That's not because the list of classics has been drastically shortened. As far as I know, it's the same 3,000+ as it was. But it's because Faithlife have dramatically cut the price of many of their public domain works, but haven't officially communicated that change yet.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997609#Comment_997609

There was a commentary series on Genesis that I have been putting off buying that was no longer on the list. I've been concentrating on Paul's journeys and writings and the books I've been seeing month after month on the list were missing too.

Liam Maguire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997609#Comment_997609

The FaithLife Classics only had 4 books that were over $20

That's not because the list of classics has been drastically shortened. As far as I know, it's the same 3,000+ as it was. But it's because Faithlife have dramatically cut the price of many of their public domain works, but haven't officially communicated that change yet.

Now I didn't know that. Must say I welcome the change, what with public domain books available on Kindle for £0.99, it has always seemed like a tough sell to convince folk that tagging and formatting account for the other £19.01... or more in some cases.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997610#Comment_997610

There was a commentary series on Genesis that I have been putting off buying that was no longer on the list. I've been concentrating on Paul's journeys and writings and the books I've been seeing month after month on the list were missing too.

I don't know which books you've been collecting, but there are still 16 commentaries on Genesis on the list: https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=genesis&Resource+Type=Commentaries&Product+Type=Free+titles+for+Now+members&sort=rel&pageSize=30&Bible+and+Apocrypha=Old+Testament&Bible+and+Apocrypha_Old+Testament=Pentateuch&Bible+and+Apocrypha_Old+Testament_Pentateuch=Genesis

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997612#Comment_997612

Now I didn't know that. Must say I welcome the change, what with public domain books available on Kindle for £0.99, it has always seemed like a tough sell to convince folk that tagging and formatting account for the other £19.01... or more in some cases.

Some prices have gone up as well. It seems like the more expensive ones have become cheaper, and some of the cheaper ones have become more expensive, so there's a greater evenness now. It was mentioned briefly by Phil Gons.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997639#Comment_997639

Thanks Mark.

I don't remember the name but I would recognize the book cover and I didn't see it in your query results. However, its possible the cover images have changed.

On the down side, I'm an idiot for not knowing the Commentary name and author.

On the plus side, there are some good ones in the query results and the prices are very reasonable. I'll have to see about picking some of them up.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997652#Comment_997652

Another big "thank you" To Mark. after playing around with the books in the query you provide I found this little gem I wasn't aware of - https://www.logos.com/product/8531/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-genesis

I think I'll save my money and go that route.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997656#Comment_997656

Another big "thank you" To Mark. after playing around with the books in the query you provide I found this little gem I wasn't aware of - https://www.logos.com/product/8531/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-genesis

That's an example of one of the collections that seen a huge price decrease. Until recently that was going for $200. So $50 is a great price. Even on community pricing it was $40 and that was back in 2012.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997652#Comment_997652

Thanks Mark.

I don't remember the name but I would recognize the book cover and I didn't see it in your query results. However, its possible the cover images have changed. On the down side, I'm an idiot for not knowing the Commentary name and author. On the plus side, there are some good ones in the query results and the prices are very reasonable. I'll have to see about picking some of them up.

a couple things, maybe helpful, maybe not:

1) I wondered if going through your history on your browser might get you to re-discover your Genesis commentary, because likely you had looked at its page at some point.

2) Up until recently I had been using all of my free classic codes for works by Hegel. I didn't see him listed (at least after the initial month or two, I think) but I would just search his name, pull up the resource that I wanted, and use the code on check out. It worked everytime. So, just thinking as you browse, maybe bookmark ones you want or keep a written list and then look them up when you are ready to get that month's free classic.

Have a good one!

Thanks, Logos, for these monthly offerings as always!

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997665#Comment_997665

Good ideas Friedrich.

I am a retired software/internet developer. I have taken up Wordpress development and I live on the internet. My browser history contains hundreds of links a day. Going back would and finding something would be tough.

I did check my Logos wish list and it wasn't on there.

The idea of searching for a title or author and trying the code is a good one. Thanks for the suggestion.

All I remember was that the cover had something like green plants (ferns?) on the cover and there was two or three books to cover the whole book of Genesis. It may have been the book by Donald MacDonald or Candish or Alford.

Anyway the covers of the Classic Commentaries and Studies on Genesis are very similar or maybe I am just confused. But I think that series will work well for me. I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that I was looking at the individual books in the commentary series without realizing it.

So I am happy. God closes on door and opens another.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997711#Comment_997711

I am a retired software/internet developer. I have taken up Wordpress development and I live on the internet. My browser history contains hundreds of links a day. Going back would and finding something would be tough.

FWIW, in Chrome you can search your history. I presume you can in other browsers too.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997566#Comment_997566

FL changed it from 20 to 10 selections, due to some unknown customer complaints.

According to FL, it’s apparently better for us.

Why in the world would anyone complain? I had a book in sight for this month and now is no longer part of the list. That’s just another clear example that people will never be happy no matter what. I wonder how many complaints it took to make this unwanted change. Oh well, it is what it is 👍😁👌

DAL

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997727#Comment_997727

Why in the world would anyone complain?

The list was originally more static. Now, instead of the same 20 books, they change the list.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997742#Comment_997742

Why in the world would anyone complain?

The list was originally more static. Now, instead of the same 20 books, they change the list.

DAL potentially people raised concerns because they already owned all twenty books on the static list. This is still a problem with the narrower list of 10 rotating books. If this was the reason for complaints then I don’t think a narrower list was the best solution but that is FL’s call.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997755#Comment_997755

For me over the last few months I haven't really been interested in any of the choices. But I have picked one just so that I don't lose my free book. I would much rather have two free originals books. I just don't care for the "classics".

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997755#Comment_997755

Why in the world would anyone complain?

The list was originally more static. Now, instead of the same 20 books, they change the list.

DAL potentially people raised concerns because they already owned all twenty books on the static list. This is still a problem with the narrower list of 10 rotating books. If this was the reason for complaints then I don’t think a narrower list was the best solution but that is FL’s call.

Since we're each only allowed one per month, why even bother with a selection rotation? Why not just make them ALL available every month? [:^)]

Small Heath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997845#Comment_997845

Since we're each only allowed one per month, why even bother with a selection rotation? Why not just make them ALL available every month?

That is simply too logical. Are you trying to put someone out of a job and making life too simple?

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997845#Comment_997845

Since we're each only allowed one per month, why even bother with a selection rotation? Why not just make them ALL available every month?

Because then we'd never buy any of those books, and Faithlife would lose money. By restricted our choices, we're still getting something worthwhile, while Faithlife protects another revenue stream. Restricting choice is win-win (if somewhat weighted in Faithlife's favour).

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997852#Comment_997852

Since we're each only allowed one per month, why even bother with a selection rotation? Why not just make them ALL available every month?

Because then we'd never buy any of those books, and Faithlife would lose money. By restricted our choices, we're still getting something worthwhile, while Faithlife protects another revenue stream. Restricting choice is win-win (if somewhat weighted in Faithlife's favour).

I can appreciate that point of view to a certain extent, but ...if they continue to change the selection choices, won't they run through them all eventually anyway? Now maybe where my thinking would lose traction is if Faithlife has several hundred books published. If that's the case, I can understand not making them ALL available every month and I admit I didn't check that out before making my comment. Even so, while I do feel the total value of a FC membership is worth what I'm paying, dropping the selection option to just 10 resources feels a bit restrictive.

Marshall Harrison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997862#Comment_997862

Most months I couldn't find a book that I was really interested in even when there were 20 choices. I ended up picking "the lesser of 20 evils" to borrow a common phrase.

I'm simply not find their offerings fitting my needs.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/997866#Comment_997866

I'm simply not find their offerings fitting my needs.

I agree with this. I do not understand the rationale or who they listened to...but all books should be available each month, not a limited number