Universal Windows App on Community Pricing

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

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Floyd Johnson

Please support this - as you will see if you read the entire page, the price is right.

Jason Drake

Folks lets show our support for the development of this app! I've placed my bid, please place yours so that Faithlife will make this a reality!

God bless!

Mark Groen

This is what we have wanted. Let's do this Windows and Windows Phone Fans!!!

danwdoo

Thanks so much for considering this!

Michael

Thanks for taking another step towards development. With Windows 10 on the horizon, this should be a no brainer to develop. I'd like to make Logos my go to mobile app, but at the moment it's not even close in functionality to other platforms. I placed a bid to show my support. Hopefully it won't take too long to reach the production goal.

Genghis

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

Nice!

Simon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706050#Comment_706050

How much space will the app require? Will it be like the Android/IOS app, not requiring the download of your complete library? That would make the app usable on Windows tablets that don't have enough free HDD space to install the Logos desktop app.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706307#Comment_706307

Will it be like the Android/IOS app, not requiring the download of your complete library?

Yes; it will offer online access to resources by default, with the option to download selected resources for offline use.

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706321#Comment_706321

Other than supporting the Logos community, why would I want this new app as long as I am able to run Logos satisfactorily with Windows 8.1 on my Vivo Tab Note 8 with 64 GB?

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706328#Comment_706328

Other than supporting the Logos community, why would I want this new app as long as I am able to run Logos satisfactorily with Windows 8.1 on my Vivo Tab Note 8 with 64 GB?

Steve,

This would run on many very low cost (<$100) Windows tablets like the very popular HP Stream 7" as well as all Windows phones. Also, it would be touch optimized for Windows tablets and 2-in-1 PCs, whereas Logos is really designed for mouse/keyboard and larger screens.

Hope this helps!

Jason

p.s. I would also like to install it on my wife's older laptop for when we travel so I could have access to my library resources and want to have a larger screen to read on (but don't want to eat up her HD with the full Logos install).

Bohuslav Wojnar

Now that is news I was really waiting for. Thank you Bradley. [Y]

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706340#Comment_706340

Thank you, Jason!

Floyd Johnson

Bradley:

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product? The offer says the product will eventually be free - I assume this means for everyone, not just for those choosing to purchase after the product is released.

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid. There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.

Thank you for any additional information you can provide.

Floyd Johnson

JoshInRI

[Y]

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706383#Comment_706383

I do hope that this product is created - and can be used alongside the installation of Logos 5 (or whatever) on my Windows 8.1 hybrid. There are times I want a lighter, leaner reader and there are times I want all the power of the Logos 5 engine.

Floyd- I feel the same way about the need for a lightweight reader app on par with what Logos has available on Android and iOS. I love the full power of Logos when I'm doing research and heavy-duty studying... but I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706346#Comment_706346

Thank you, Jason!

You bet Steve! God bless you my brother!

Jason Drake

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

Bradley, just curious if you guys have tried approaching Microsoft for support? I wonder if they have any support (financial, training, etc.) to help port over existing code from your Android/iOS projects? They are working hard to close the "app gap" and have even created incentives for their employees to develop new apps on their own time through their Microsoft Garage project. It would be great if they could help you guys out in some way! Also I did see that there are lots of free courses related to creating Universal apps (and porting existing apps) on MSDN and Microsoft Virtual Academy. I'm keeping this project in my prayers because it really would be such a blessing for so many of us who love Logos!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706383#Comment_706383

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

Sam Shelton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706413#Comment_706413

I will gladly pay that small price for functionality on my Windows Tablet.

Thanks!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706448#Comment_706448

You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706413#Comment_706413

Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.

Mark Groen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706499#Comment_706499

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch. If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in. In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

Mark Groen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706499#Comment_706499

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.

Exactly, they can charge me now if they want. [:D]

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706528#Comment_706528

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch. If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in. In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

For me universal application will be first of all Logos on the phone (Lumia 830) and also any situation I want just to read a book or Bible on the tablet. So far I still have iPad, but I will change it for Windows tablet as soon as we have that application.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706561#Comment_706561

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch. If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in. In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

Bohuslav,

there are still some screens in Logos that you can see only once (such as the library) which some people work around with a full-fledged duplicate install of Verbum or Noet - the new app could potentially help there. Or it could be the bridge to a full Logos 8/9/10 that runs on post-Win7 in all possible environments, including then-current Windows 12 desktops or so.

David Young

I just bid. Thank you so much!!

David

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706583#Comment_706583

Bohuslav,

there are still some screens in Logos that you can see only once (such as the library) which some people work around with a full-fledged duplicate install of Verbum or Noet - the new app could potentially help there. Or it could be the bridge to a full Logos 8/9/10 that runs on post-Win7 in all possible environments, including then-current Windows 12 desktops or so.

You are right. Thank you for reminding that. [Y]

Mark Groen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706561#Comment_706561

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

For me universal application will be first of all Logos on the phone (Lumia 830) and also any situation I want just to read a book or Bible on the tablet. So far I still have iPad, but I will change it for Windows tablet as soon as we have that application.

I did not know that. I'll have to experiment with that. Thanks for the info!

If only I had known my post was going to expose me as a Logos lightweight. [:D]

Rob Kuefner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706754#Comment_706754

I've been an advocate for sometime for this to be offered as a community pricing project, so when I saw this I knew needed to keep my word. I was glad to bid!

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706754#Comment_706754

If only I had known my post was going to expose me as a Logos lightweight.

Logos is so complex tool that there are many things I do not know about it also. So you are not alone. [:)]

Mike Childs

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

I am in.

And I would like to thank Logos for making the effort to gage the interest in such an app. As someone whose only computer is a Surface Pro 2, I am very interested.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706477#Comment_706477

You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.

Thanks MJ. I did not think about that. I just upped my bid.

In fact until a few minutes ago, I was unaware that input about this app was being sought, or the app was even being considered. I suspect that many are not aware. Those interested need to spread the word.

Mikko Paavola

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706943#Comment_706943

[Y][^][<:o)]

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706943#Comment_706943

Those interested need to spread the word.

Almost all our family is Windows Phone oriented [:)] and we are looking forward to seeing this application available.

We need to keep this thread up as long as possible. I hope we will get enough sponsors.

Nord Zootman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/706402#Comment_706402

I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707165#Comment_707165

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

Nord,

This sounds like a nice option. I have the Kindle app on my tablet already but I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?

God bless,

Jason

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707254#Comment_707254

Hi Jason

I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?

The Send to Kindle capability is described at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92620.aspx

Does this give you what you need?

Graham

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707287#Comment_707287

Thanks Graham, I'll give it a try!

Bob Schaefer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707315#Comment_707315

As happy as I am that Faithlife is finally even considering developing a universal Windows app, I'm quickly getting discouraged. The community pricing chart has barely moved despite the excited posts here by Windows users.

I'm not sure community pricing is the right - or fair - way to gauge interest in this. The normal community pricing proposition is: "If you help us get this into production, we'll sell it to you for much less than its retail price. Everyone wins." But with the universal app, it's the opposite: "If you help us get this into production, you'll pay significantly more than everyone else, who will get it for free. But we'll give you a gift of some sort. Sucker."

Perhaps Faithlife intends to give us a huge credit toward books. That would be very nice. Or maybe we'll get a pack of Logos stickers in the mail. Not so great. Point is, Faithlife was intentionally vague about this, and it's not helpful.

Well. I'm in at $37 because I absolutely believe in this product. But how many casual users are going to jump in on this weird community pricing offer? For someone who might like this product, but doesn't desperately need it, all the incentives point to waiting it out. Why pay for something that will be given away eventually?

So all community pricing will do is gauge how many die-hard, must-have-it-at-any-cost true believers there are, and then put the burden of funding the development of the free app on those folks. I think just by reading these forums you could make a pretty good list of the people who will bid on this. And it's a much smaller list than the people who will happily use it once it's available.

I really wish Faithlife would simply commit to supporting Windows tablets and phones as first-class citizens, with millions upon millions of potential users who are/will be looking for Bible software on their devices. The community pricing move is starting to feel like one more shrug of the shoulders from Faithlife.

But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.

Kris Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707507#Comment_707507

I also put in the max amount hoping that the process would move forward rapidly. Alas, the community pricing scale has yet to budge. My question is how much will it cost to develop the app? I could be wrong, but I imagine that the community pricing scale is relative to the overall cost to develop the product. It would be fair to assume that the app will cost significantly more to develop than a standard book or the program would have been implemented long ago. It might take a good bit of time and bids to get anywhere with this. Thoughts?

Eric Bentz

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707507#Comment_707507

I am very grateful for this. I can't wait to be able to use Logos on my phone and tablet. I'm all in. Just placed my bid.

danwdoo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707519#Comment_707519

Tablets are cool and all, but this will mean...wait for it...Logos on Xbox!!!! [;)] Well maybe some of the presentation features might be cool on a TV.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707507#Comment_707507

But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.

Count me in [Y]

Jason Drake

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707507#Comment_707507

Bob,

That's a very good and valid point that I hope the folks at Faithife take into account. Folks like us that are pledging our support are just the tip of the iceberg. For every one of us there are probably ten to twenty other folks that will install and use the app once available. I've also pledged the full $37 and absolutely don't mind doing so.. I just hope Faithlife doesn't think that only people who pledge are interested!

Diego Lara

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/707753#Comment_707753

I have bid the max $37 also. And I am excited that Logos is finally at least thinking in creating an app for us Windows Phone and Tablet users. I remember looking at the replies from Logos employees in other Windows Phone forums and they were very discouraging. But as some of you have stated Logos needs to understand that not everyone who will use the app will bid or even know about the bid. Only reason I knew about the bid is because a couple of days ago I added the Faithlife Blog in my RSS reader in my windows phone. Most casual Logos users never even bother to read the blog or join the forum. So the users in the forums and blog are a very tiny percentage in my opinion.

But Logos also needs to understand that users who don't use Logos or even know what it is will install it when they look for a bible app in the windows app store. If Logos creates an awesome bible app they will truly become the most popular bible app on Windows Phone and Tablet since we lack a good high quality bible app in general. And that will lead to more sales of the Logos program because the app alone can be a marketing tool for people who have never even heard of Logos or Faithlife.

Simon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/708722#Comment_708722

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/708873#Comment_708873

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

[Y]

Ray from Faithlife

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/708873#Comment_708873

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

Sure! I made an adjustment this morning.

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/709919#Comment_709919

Could the scale be updated, to allow higher bids, please?

Sure! I made an adjustment this morning.

Thank you [Y]

Bob Schaefer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/709952#Comment_709952

OK, I'm now offering to pay $90 for an app Faithlife plans to give away. And my wife only raised her eyebrows slightly at me.

But after two weeks, the community pricing chart is essentially flatlined. I'd really like to know exactly how many thousands of dollars Faithlife is expecting Windows advocates to pony up before they're willing to develop this free app. The threshold seems to have been set so high we that we will never see a Universal app developed via community pricing. And that's because most people are unwilling to bid much money on something that will be 100% free the day it's published.

Community pricing is the wrong model for this. And it's going to lead to years of Windows users languishing away with false hope, while giving Faithlife cover to say, "See, didn't we tell you there was no market for this product?"

Really, of all of the tangential projects Logos has branched out into on its way to becoming Faithlife, is just publishing a decent Windows app such a ridiculous thing to ask?

I've put my money where my mouth is. And then more than doubled down. So Faithlife: Please, stop messing around and just get this done.