Mobile Ed Video + Faithlife TV Plus Church Subscription

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Liz Roland (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 10 2016 8:24 AM

Have you heard? We’re launching a new Mobile Ed Video + Faithlife TV Plus Church Subscription!

  1. It’s a biblical video library for your entire congregation!

  2. It includes access to all Mobile Ed & Faithlife TV Plus videos!

  3. The Mobile Ed video and Faithlife TV Plus catalogs are continually growing!

Find out more at:

https://churchdeal.faithlifesites.com

 

What does this mean for Mobile Ed owners?

Tell your church how much you love Mobile Ed and encourage them to unlock theological education for your entire congregation.

 

Can I buy the Mobile Ed Video + Faithlife TV Plus Church Subscription for myself?

You cannot purchase it for yourself alone. You can get it for yourself and your whole church when you purchase it for your church. The church must be a legally recognized church.

 

Can I buy the Mobile Ed Video + Faithlife TV Plus Church Subscription for my church?

Yes. We're launching with five levels of the Mobile Ed Video + Faithlife TV Plus Church Subscription based on congregation size.

  1. 1199

  2. 200499

  3. 500999

  4. 1,0001,499

  5. 1,500+

See pricing here:

https://churchdeal.faithlifesites.com

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Mark Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 11 2016 7:35 PM

The way the text reads, it is only the video of the mobile ed. courses. This does not include the transcript, is this correct?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 11 2016 7:38 PM

Mark Johnson:

The way the text reads, it is only the video of the mobile ed. courses. This does not include the transcript, is this correct?

 Correct. No transcript, video only.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 7:01 AM

If a church subscribes is the discount locked in or is it only discounted the first year? 

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John Schwandt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 9:48 AM

Keith Larson:

If a church subscribes is the discount locked in or is it only discounted the first year? 

This is the great part.  The price is locked in for the first year.  Then when it comes time to renew, it is incumbent upon Faithlife to earn your continued business. I think we have been conditioned by the big TV industry to expect multi-year contracts with an initial low first year followed by rising prices that are difficult to get out of.  That is NOT our plan.  To prove it, we lock in the extremely low price for this whole year and then we will have to earn your renewal with another competitive offer.

So is it only discounted for the first year?  I can't promise the same deal to exist forever.  By necessity the deal will change because we are adding more content all of the time.  The library will be much bigger by this time next year.  (BTW, you get access to the new content as it grows throughout this year.) This doesn't mean that we won't offer another discount to continue in the program.  Our goal is to significantly increase the number of churches who can access this material over time.  If we can get enough participation, I would expect the church subscription offer to become even sweeter (analogous to how Amazon Prime's offer keeps getting better.)  So the bottom line for churches that decide to partner with us this month, is that you can expect your renewal offer next year to be compelling.  

It is always great to hear from you Keith!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 9:58 AM

John Schwandt:
 Then when it comes time to renew, it is incumbent upon Faithlife to earn your continued business.

Too bad Faithlife does not feel the need to earn my continued business by pricing MobileEd courses affordably for individual consumption.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 10:49 AM

Matthew C Jones:

John Schwandt:
 Then when it comes time to renew, it is incumbent upon Faithlife to earn your continued business.

Too bad Faithlife does not feel the need to earn my continued business by pricing MobileEd courses affordably for individual consumption.

I get the impression that you were happy with the MobileEd pricing until FL offered this subscription (to churches).

I agree that giving a church (of less than 200 people) access to all the course videos for only $80/month does not reward anyone who spent thousands or tens of thousands to purchase MobileEd courses. I can understand why you might feel that all the money you've spent on Mobile Ed has gone to subsidize this "loss-leader" that lets entire churches access all course videos for an extremely low monthly fee.

Keep in mind that the videos are like the visible portion of an iceberg. The readings and activities, not the videos, are where you really explore the course content in depth. For those people who don't buy the course but only watch the video, they're only getting exposed to 10% of the content which you've had access to.

FL has said they expect church members in Adult Ed groups to also buy the courses. I think the reality is that most church members don't use Logos. So, the church subscription is designed to get groups of people to spend money on courses, resources, libraries, base packages, Now subscriptions, etc.

FL can afford to offer the videos so cheaply, because they hope to make money on everything else. At that point, the church member who has bought a base package, and a course, and some optional resources, is no different than you, other than they happen to own a smaller library or fewer courses at present than you do.

Personally, I wish the true cost of owning the course was lower in general, as it's rare to find a course that doesn't need hundreds of dollars of additional resources which don't come in Platinum. Mobile Ed is really expensive, when you factor in the hidden costs. I do agree with you that individuals pay a premium, compared to, say, students or faculty, who get discounts across the board on all Logos resources. In that light, the church members are in the same boat as us, as we mostly don't get discounts in general (apart from Logos Now benefits).

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 12:56 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Too bad Faithlife does not feel the need to earn my continued business by pricing MobileEd courses affordably for individual consumption.

I'm sorry you aren't happy with our pricing. It's our intention to keep delivering more value at a lower price, and this is an attempt to do that.

For what it's worth, one of the problems with making the entire course available for less (as opposed to just the videos, in this deal) is that the entire course uses readings from many books that we license from publishers. These books have royalties, contracts, and obligations attached that we don't have on just the video portion. These readings add a significant value, but that value has to be paid for -- to many different people.

Offering a super deal on the videos is a way to help more people, and maybe even find more people who'd like to buy the full version of specific courses where they want to dig deeper and read more.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 12 2016 3:39 PM

I was extremely interested until I saw I had to pay for a full year at a time. A church like mine isn't likely to pay $960 but $80 12 times maybe.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2016 2:58 AM

Bob Pritchett:

Offering a super deal on the videos is a way to help more people, and maybe even find more people who'd like to buy the full version of specific courses where they want to dig deeper and read more.

I would love to see this type of offer opened up to individuals, and/or even better, groups that aren't necessarily a local church or parish. For me, not having the readings available wouldn't be a problem at all - I'm usually just interested in the audio/video content of these courses, and that would certainly be the case for the groups I know of who could be interested in this but that wouldn't classify as a "legally recognized church".

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2016 5:40 AM

I only own a few Mobile Ed courses, but I really like the combination of video and transcript.  Video is another format that makes the material easier to remember and transcript shows up in search results. 

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Chris Philpot | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 13 2016 5:53 PM

Hi

Is this only available in USA or is it available internationally?  I am writing from Australia.

Thanks

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Tyler Norton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 14 2016 8:39 AM

Chris Philpot:

Hi

Is this only available in USA or is it available internationally?  I am writing from Australia.

Thanks

Hi Chris,

This product is available worldwide.

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 14 2016 10:23 AM

If our church were to use these videos to train leaders, what is the suggested method?

Just get a group together and watch the videos? Is it just a tool that would require a moderator and/or leader? It seems like some additional structure would need to be added for the specific purpose it's being used for.

I'm wondering if this is like buying a $10 printer that requires 4 $50 ink cartridges.

It's very tempting, but just how useful are the videos only?

Dale Heath

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 14 2016 11:23 AM

Dale E Heath:

If our church were to use these videos to train leaders, what is the suggested method?

Just get a group together and watch the videos? Is it just a tool that would require a moderator and/or leader? It seems like some additional structure would need to be added for the specific purpose it's being used for.

I'm wondering if this is like buying a $10 printer that requires 4 $50 ink cartridges.

It's very tempting, but just how useful are the videos only?

Dale Heath

There are a number of ways churches can use the material as curriculum depending on how structured you want it to be. A moderator/leader could divide a course using the unit structure and/or the time codes available and then fit it into a weekly schedule (2-week, 8-week, etc.). You could watch the videos together or have everyone watch the videos at home and come prepared to discuss them.

If you don't have a set number of weeks that you need to fit in, then a group could just watch the videos together and discuss as they go along. Maybe you get through 10 videos some weeks and only 2 other weeks because the discussion is livelier. People could choose to watch ahead at home if they wanted to or re-watch videos from past week as well.

I have personally worked through several different courses with groups of 6–14 people from my church. I organized our time by having people watch through specific segments at home, and then meeting once a week to discuss. I would come prepared with discussion questions to help facilitate the discussion, and I encouraged people to come with their own questions or comments. Our weekly discussions frequently ended up going over their allotted 2 hours. These courses ran anywhere from 3 weeks to 8 weeks depending on the length of course.

The courses don't require a leader to walk people through them. People can work their own way through a course individually and learn on their own as well.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 14 2016 11:37 AM

Dale E Heath:

It seems like some additional structure would need to be added for the specific purpose it's being used for.

The (Mobile Ed) structure is included in the full course, in conjunction with the L7 Courses Tool, which guides you through the readings and activities that accompany each video segment.

I suppose if a church member was merely curious about a subject, they could watch the videos on their own, but I believe the real intent is to provide content to supplement Adult Ed groups taught by a leader or moderator. Someone really has to guide the group.

Dale E Heath:

It's very tempting, but just how useful are the videos only?

Dale Heath

The videos complement the full Mobile Ed course that they're bundled with. If you only watch a course's videos, you'd get an overview of what you'd be learning if you read through the course resources, and worked through the course activities.

The videos are similar to a university education, in that the instructor can only cover so much material in the lecture, but relies on the students to do the necessary reading and assignments outside of class.

In my opinion, the videos represent 10% of the knowledge, and the remaining 90% is discovered by reading and studying after having watched the videos. You will get some education/retention simply by watching the videos. You will learn (and remember) far more through study and discussion of the material.

Bob summed it up more concisely:

Bob Pritchett:

Offering a super deal on the videos is a way to help more people, and maybe even find more people who'd like to buy the full version of specific courses where they want to dig deeper and read more.

On that note, no one has raised the issue of subscribing to the videos, and also buying the course which includes the videos. FL does offer a discount to people who buy a course (or book) featured in the monthly Mobile Ed (or Logos Now) subscription, so there is some precedent there.

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