Liturgy of the Hours/Breviary for Verbum??

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1133133#Comment_1133133

While I am excited for this resource, that is disappointing if the Ordo isn't built for it to work similar to the Lectionary - especially since that is integral to how it is normally used. Hopefully someone from FL can clarify/shed light on this?

Seconded. It really needs to be this

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1133123#Comment_1133123

I've seen no indication that a ordo/lectionary is being built for it

Nor I. But if they do decide to make one, it would really be an ordo, not a lectionary, that they should make.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1133317#Comment_1133317

Exactly what is contained in Liturgy of the Hours.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1133317#Comment_1133317

, not a lectionary, that they should make.

I was thinking "lectionary" in the sense of reusing existing functionality rather than waiting in line for new programming.

Jesse Blevins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1133358#Comment_1133358

Has the Liturgy of the Hours shipped yet?

I purchased the package that contains them but have not yet received them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145868#Comment_1145868

Still waiting

Jesse Blevins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145870#Comment_1145870

Thanks David

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145873#Comment_1145873

Has anyone heard anything more about whether they'll create something like a dashboard/home screen card for it? I can pray it with the 4 volume physical set, but that wasn't an easy thing to get the knack of. I started with the brothers on EWTN via shortwave in the mornings like 25 years ago. I got lost so many times at first and couldn't keep up that the initial volume I was using about took flight across my living room any number of times. I now buy a little paperback page guide every year just to help ensure I'm in the right spot on any given day. They really need to create a home screen digital version of that - not recreate that guide but essentially have it in software so you can focus on the prayer and not moving about the volume - because if you're doing it with a physical volume you are definitely moving about the volume. There are iOS versions of the breviary now that remove all that tediousness of the physical volumes and just let you focus on the prayer and not the mechanics. If Verbum is going to publish the volumes then they need to do the same thing and truly leverage their platform with these.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145904#Comment_1145904

I agree there. It won’t be a useful resource without it... probably less convenient than the four physical volumes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145910#Comment_1145910

AMEN! I couldn't agree more. The 4 physical volumes with their assorted colored ribbons would be WAY more convenient than the Verbum version if they don't create something for the home page that essentially walks you through a given day's various hours. Just dumping the 4 volumes into Verbum would be LESS useful than the 4 physical volumes in terms of praying the hours. And that's why I really have wanted it in Verbum for years now in the first place - to pray it handily without having to carry that thick volume around. Verbum isn't really the Catholic tool they want it to be without this.

Mark Nolette

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145975#Comment_1145975

I agree as well. Universalis has figured out one way to do this. Verbum can surely find a way!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1145984#Comment_1145984

Before you get all carried away, Verbum committed to selling the prayer book as a resource They did not commit to selling a prayer app. Anything beyond being able to navigate the prayer book at a functional level equivalent to navigating the missal will be "frosting on the cake". I don't know precisely what they will deliver but I am worried that you are setting your expectations to "unrealistic".

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1146009#Comment_1146009

Before you get all carried away, Verbum committed to selling the prayer book as a resource They did not commit to selling a prayer app. Anything beyond being able to navigate the prayer book at a functional level equivalent to navigating the missal will be "frosting on the cake".

Interestingly, a search ( https://verbum.com/search?query=liturgy%20of%20the%20hours&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe ) gets "The complete, official four-volume English edition of the Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) presented in an easy-to-use digital interface for daily prayer." That text does not show up on https://www.logos.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1146014#Comment_1146014

Before you get all carried away, Verbum committed to selling the prayer book as a resource They did not commit to selling a prayer app. Anything beyond being able to navigate the prayer book at a functional level equivalent to navigating the missal will be "frosting on the cake".

Interestingly, a search ( https://verbum.com/search?query=liturgy%20of%20the%20hours&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe ) gets "The complete, official four-volume English edition of the Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) presented in an easy-to-use digital interface for daily prayer." That text does not show up on https://www.logos.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite.

That does seem to be the “smoking gun” in this case

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1146136#Comment_1146136

There is a "Today's Readings" in the just released LOTH, but when I click on it, nothing happens.

Does this mean I still have to buy a yearly GUIDE?

Maybe it will work tomorrow. There's no Hyperlink from "Todays Reading".

Donald Antenen (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167395#Comment_1167395

The "Today" link works for me today. We'll investigate.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167671#Comment_1167671

This one was expensive, even buying as a PrePub like I did. I wish there was some sort of functional dashboard guide for this. I'm happy to have it digitally, but honestly as it appears to me now, I'll NEVER use it. iBreviary is FAR easier and FREE. Honestly, the four volume set is FAR easier thanks to the ribbons, than what this presents. I couldn't see how Verbum could call itself the Catholic version of Logos without the Breviary and think the claim was legitimate. But now having the breviary in Logos I think they need to go the extra mile and actually make it functionally easy to use - particularly for a lay Catholic who would otherwise be totally intimidated. Honestly, to use the 4 physical volumes I need the annual little pamphlet guide for $2-3. Without something like a digital version of that little pamphlet at a minimum, the digital version of these 4 volumes is of limited to use to most lay Catholics.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167759#Comment_1167759

The sometime functionality of "Today" is due to a lack of coverage in milestones.

We recognize that this is confusing and we plan on removing it until we can get to a place where it works on all days.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167764#Comment_1167764

The sometime functionality of "Today" is due to a lack of coverage in milestones.

We recognize that this is confusing and we plan on removing it until we can get to a place where it works on all days.

Maybe working some days is better than not working on any days?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168026#Comment_1168026

I disagree. I think if they can't get it to work reliably it's better to just remove it. Not spending the effort to make it a true home page item that would "pull together" a complete day by hour (office of readings, noon etc etc) really demonstrates a lack of understanding by those who ultimately are running logos but are not Catholic of just what this prayer is supposed to be. Software developers who care about the authentic practice of the Catholic faith as opposed to just marketing gimmicks would use this license once acquired to do something at least as awesome as iBreviary. Otherwise it's truly just that - a marketing gimmick to show "catholicity"

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168080#Comment_1168080

lack of understanding by those who ultimately are running logos but are not Catholic

Caution: please don't limit this to a Catholic issues, especially not just a Latin rite Catholic issue. The problem similarly occurs for the Anglicans, some Lutheran, and the Orthodox - Eastern and Oriental. Faithlife needs to implement the global solution, not just a Latin-rite Catholic bandaid.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168085#Comment_1168085

lack of understanding by those who ultimately are running logos but are not Catholic

Caution: please don't limit this to a Catholic issues, especially not just a Latin rite Catholic issue. The problem similarly occurs for the Anglicans, some Lutheran, and the Orthodox - Eastern and Oriental. Faithlife needs to implement the global solution, not just a Latin-rite Catholic bandaid.

On the other hand, this is the “Catholic Products” subforum and we are talking about a Catholic product that was released in a subpar condition compared to what we had been led to expect.

We can look at Patrick Fleischmann‘s opinion and ask whether it accurately explains why FL sees the LOTH release as mildly flawed instead of fatally. And I’m not opposed to your point either if FL’s approach impacts these other group. But I don’t think his wanting a fix is asking for a ”Latin-rite Catholic bandaid.”

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168085#Comment_1168085

FWIW - I know I am not in the 'right' forum to say this, but in the spirit of good collaboration between the denominations, from the Anglican tradition I really hope we can see some traction on this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167764#Comment_1167764

We recognize that this is confusing and we plan on removing it until we can get to a place where it works on all days.

Today may be the best example of a day (and a reason) why this will be impossible.

Today is the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church. This is a movable feast that occurs on the Monday after Pentecost on the Universal Calendar. Everyone praying LotH today, unless they happen to have a local feast that supersedes this Memorial, is obligated to pray the prayers of this Memorial. It's not even an Optional Memorial. This Memorial also isn't in the four-volume LotH, because this Memorial is decades newer than the four-volume LotH. (Not only that, but the English prayers and readings for this Memorial still haven't been released... and when they are released, they won't be magically added to the four volume breviary.) For now, the correct thing to do is to use the Prayers from the Common in the customary fashion for Memorials. That should be fun to code... and still more fun to figure out for people who aren't up on all the ins and outs of the liturgical calendar. And this Memorial is far from the only feast on the worldwide liturgical calendar that is not in LotH.

I expect that the most practical way to get what people are asking for--a near-iBreviary experience of praying LotH in Verbum--would be for Faithlife to license the annual guides for the Breviary, probably the national ones for the States. Otherwise, Faithlife would have to create one itself, much as it has done for Catholic Daily Readings, except with links to LotH rather than readings. In either case, you would be dealing with a Verbum resource--an ordo--that is not itself LotH.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168182#Comment_1168182

We recognize that this is confusing and we plan on removing it until we can get to a place where it works on all days.

Today may be the best example of a day (and a reason) why this will be impossible.

Today is the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church. This is a movable feast that occurs on the Monday after Pentecost on the Universal Calendar. Everyone praying LotH today, unless they happen to have a local feast that supersedes this Memorial, is obligated to pray the prayers of this Memorial. It's not even an Optional Memorial. This Memorial also isn't in the four-volume LotH, because this Memorial is decades newer than the four-volume LotH. (Not only that, but the English prayers and readings for this Memorial still haven't been released... and when they are released, they won't be magically added to the four volume breviary.) For now, the correct thing to do is to use the Prayers from the Common in the customary fashion for Memorials. That should be fun to code... and still more fun to figure out for people who aren't up on all the ins and outs of the liturgical calendar. And this Memorial is far from the only feast on the worldwide liturgical calendar that is not in LotH.

I expect that the most practical way to get what people are asking for--a near-iBreviary experience of praying LotH in Verbum--would be for Faithlife to license the annual guides for the Breviary, probably the national ones for the States. Otherwise, Faithlife would have to create one itself, much as it has done for Catholic Daily Readings, except with links to LotH rather than readings. In either case, you would be dealing with a Verbum resource--an ordo--that is not itself LotH.

If I recall correctly, FL said they had plans for the revised version once it was approved. Presumably the Memorial would be found there. (My Divine Office did have it).

I can understand if FL can’t provide material not found in the four volumes and suppliment. But it needs the card like the lectionary has.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168194#Comment_1168194

If I recall correctly, FL said they had plans for the revised version once it was approved. Presumably the Memorial would be found there.

Presumably.

(My Divine Office did have it).

As does iBreviary... using the Commons.

I can understand if FL can’t provide material not found in the four volumes and suppliment.

The trick with today's Memorial is that, even though FL can't provide (not-yet-existent) material specific to this Memorial, a "Today" button or Homepage card should bring the user to the Common because it would be wrong to send the user to the Monday of the Eighth Week in Ordinary Time. However, that would really confuse people who don't know that today is a Memorial (in the universal calendar).

I didn't even mention the difficulty that a Today button wouldn't solve the problem of people not knowing what sections they can (or must) take from the Common... something controlled, in today's case, by the rank of the day. The GILH does spell out what you can (or must) take from the Common for feasts of any given rank, but the LotH doesn't include today's Memorial at all, so you need an external information source in order to know that today is a Memorial, never mind which Memorial.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168199#Comment_1168199

If I recall correctly, FL said they had plans for the revised version once it was approved. Presumably the Memorial would be found there.

Presumably.

(My Divine Office did have it).

As does iBreviary... using the Commons.

I can understand if FL can’t provide material not found in the four volumes and suppliment.

The trick with today's Memorial is that, even though FL can't provide (not-yet-existent) material specific to this Memorial, a "Today" button or Homepage card should bring the user to the Common because it would be wrong to send the user to the Monday of the Eighth Week in Ordinary Time. However, that would really confuse people who don't know that today is a Memorial (in the universal calendar).

I didn't even mention the difficulty that a Today button wouldn't solve the problem of people not knowing what sections they can (or must) take from the Common... something controlled, in today's case, by the rank of the day. The GILH does spell out what you can (or must) take from the Common for feasts of any given rank, but the LotH doesn't include today's Memorial at all, so you need an external information source in order to know that today is a Memorial, never mind which Memorial.

Fair enough. I guess I was talking at a cross purpose.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168201#Comment_1168201

I guess I was talking at a cross purpose.

But I still agree with your points. [Y] (Though I do think that the LotH home page card should point to the correct spot in whatever ordo FL licenses or creates for LotH.)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1167759#Comment_1167759

The current LOTH in Verbum is nearly useless to me. It needs a Yearly Guide or an entry in Daily Catholic Readings - like the Lectionary and Missal links to open up LOTH but also to open up LOTH in a linear way so it goes to the Invitatory then to the individual Hours, Morning Prayer, Daytime Prayer, Office of Readings, Evening Prayer, and Night Prayer, so I can open up today's Invitatory, if I wasn't able to pray the Morning Prayer, go to Daytime Prayer, or other, and continue on to the other Hours concluding with Night Prayer. What we have now is a useless mess.

I have to use my Yearly Guide and if I'm going to do that, it is much easier to just read from the printed volumes, Verbum's LOTH is far too burdensome and confusing for me. Obviously, it could be flawless, even better than iBrevery and other resources, but it isn't. Are there plans on correcting this?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168828#Comment_1168828

WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!

EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!

Faithlife has a TOTAL FAIL on this one. I was so encouraged when this was announced - that Verbum was going to be a TRULY Catholic Rite ready resource. This makes it embarrassingly apparent it's a Protestant resource trying to cross market to Catholics.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168928#Comment_1168928

Faithlife has a TOTAL FAIL on this one.

I understand what users want - an interactive for using the Liturgy of the Hours. But please keep in mind that Verbum has delivered what they advertised - a usable electronic facsimile of the 4 volume print copy. I am experimenting with various options for building a shareable daily/service liturgy tool - either like the lectionary tool that calls in the appropriate texts or a reading list that branches to them...I have some other projects to finish before I can seriously churn out the necessary text.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168942#Comment_1168942

Faithlife has a TOTAL FAIL on this one.

I understand what users want - an interactive for using the Liturgy of the Hours. But please keep in mind that Verbum has delivered what they advertised - a usable electronic facsimile of the 4 volume print copy. I am experimenting with various options for building a shareable daily/service liturgy tool - either like the lectionary tool that calls in the appropriate texts or a reading list that branches to them...I have some other projects to finish before I can seriously churn out the necessary text.

Jesse Blevins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168942#Comment_1168942

Thank You MJ. Smith for working on a liturgy tool that will make using the LOTH easier.

It would be nice if some of the staff at Logos would lend you a hand in this project.

Right now it seems that there is both disappointment and confusion with this product (understandably so).

I believe that to ease it's use would be of great benefit to Faithlife (ease of use is stated in their own advertisement of the product).

I think that it would be of benefit to Faithlife to assure their customers that they have heard their concerns and will be trying to do something in response to their request.

For Faithlife not to respond in some way (with action to improve the product) gives the customers the impression that they don't care.

I don't think that is the message that they really want to send? At least I hope not.

Pastor Jesse Blevins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168958#Comment_1168958

For Faithlife not to respond in some way (with action to improve the product) gives the customers the impression that they don't care.

I don't think that is the message that they really want to send? At least I hope not.

perhaps their motto (after their response to the shopping cart icon) could be

et consueuerint ad eam [;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168957#Comment_1168957

This message is incorrect, I didn't scroll down far enough. Disregard, comments about things being removed, nothing has been removed, the remarks I post here are still on the description page. My other comments stand.

M.J. Smith,

Unfortunately, that's not the description Verbum had earlier. What it used to say has been deleted.

This is what it used to say before it was changed. It was changed after I posted paraphrasing it on Saturday May 22, 2021. I know this because I checked to see what the wording was, and to be sure it said what I remember it said, which it did, so I posted my remark. It was there then but it's been removed. Thanks to archive.org the wording is preserved:

This edition features the standard four volume presentation of the liturgy of the hours. The Verbum software aligns the prayers of each day in a single, easy-to-use interface. No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book.

The four volumes are sold as a single resource and not as individual volumes.

I added the BOLD text.

You can see it here. https://web.archive.org/web/20200809164054/https://verbum.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite

Someone seems to have removed EXACTLY the words that would support our mutual recollections.

I am disgusted that anyone from a supposed Christian organization would employ this type of deceit on it's customers.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168963#Comment_1168963

M.J. Smith,

Unfortunately, that's not the description Verbum had earlier. What it used to say has been deleted.

This is what it used to say before it was changed. It was changed after I posted paraphrasing it on Saturday May 22, 2021. I know this because I checked to see what the wording was, and to be sure it said what I remember it said, which it did, so I posted my remark. It was there then but it's been removed. Thanks to archive.org the wording is preserved:

This edition features the standard four volume presentation of the liturgy of the hours. The Verbum software aligns the prayers of each day in a single, easy-to-use interface. No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book.

The four volumes are sold as a single resource and not as individual volumes.

I added the BOLD text.

You can see it here. https://web.archive.org/web/20200809164054/https://verbum.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite

Someone seems to have removed EXACTLY the words that would support our mutual recollections. I am disgusted that anyone from a supposed Christian organization would employ this type of deceit on it's customers.

It can still be seen here: https://verbum.com/search?query=liturgy%20of%20the%20hours&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168963#Comment_1168963

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David J. Ring, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat May 22, 2021 8:12 PM

It only works if there's a feast day. It does not work for May 22, also for Saturdays the Evening Prayer for the next day, Sunday should be given.

Logos advertised this as something that would eliminate page flipping and ribbons (bookmarks), is this going to become available? Right now LOTH is not useful at all for me in Verbum.

LOTH is something to pray, I certainly understand why ribbons and page flipping are needed in a printed LOTH if it was printed in linear form the books would be tens of thousands of pages long. This is avoided in digital format but we don't have it, but we COULD have it, that is, it's possible, and I believe it's needed and that's what I paid for because that's what was advertised.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168964#Comment_1168964

No, the words have been changed, perhaps you're reading from your computer's cache. The words I mentioned "The Verbum software aligns the prayers if each day in a single, easy-to-use interface. No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book." do NOT appear in the link you just gave.

Clear your cache, or use another browser and you will see the words above, the very words that support some of our recollections are missing. I believe they have been removed.

It would be nice to have what they advertised, a SINGLE easy to use interface.

We don't have that.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168967#Comment_1168967

This message is incorrect, I didn't scroll down far enough. Disregard, comments about things being removed, nothing has been removed, the remarks I post here are still on the description page. My other comments stand.

Helo David Wanat,

No, the words have been changed, perhaps you're reading from your computer's cache. The words I mentioned "The Verbum software aligns the prayers if each day in a single, easy-to-use interface. No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book." do NOT appear in the link you just gave.

Clear your cache, or use another browser and you will see the words above, the very words that support some of our recollections are missing. I believe they have been removed.

It would be nice to have what they advertised, a SINGLE easy to use interface.

We don't have that.

Should have been more clear. What I meant was, using the search for Liturgy of the Hours, the landing page for the search shows they are promising the "easy to use interface." (quote). No, it's not in the product description now, but one could (and I do) argue that they still have it promised.

Kevin Clemens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1168969#Comment_1168969

Morning Prayer for today is missing the Scriptural Reference for the Canticle (Jer 31:10-14).

Please note: this is for Volume III >> Four Week Psalter >> Thursday, Week 1 >> Morning Prayer.

(The correct reference appears in volumes 1, 2, and 4 on Thursday, Week 1 Morning Prayer)

Is the best way to report issues like this the Report Typo function in Verbum or is it worth posting them to the forums as well?

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1169745#Comment_1169745

Is the best way to report issues like this the Report Typo function in Verbum or is it worth posting them to the forums as well?

Typo is fine. We're going to be working on a few changes in the next couple of weeks. We'll look at those as well.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1169771#Comment_1169771

When did this product go from North America only to USA only.... i had this on pre pub since it was announced.... but now I see it no longer in my prepUBs and listed as US only. just curious.

-dan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1169785#Comment_1169785

When did this product go from North America only to USA only....

Very recently. I don't know more than that.

Donald Antenen (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1169785#Comment_1169785

When did this product go from North America only to USA only.... i had this on pre pub since it was announced.... but now I see it no longer in my prepUBs and listed as US only. just curious.

-dan

Dan, I apologize for the inconvenience. The restriction is imposed by our contract with the rights holder.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1170477#Comment_1170477

When did this product go from North America only to USA only.... i had this on pre pub since it was announced.... but now I see it no longer in my prepUBs and listed as US only. just curious.

-dan

Dan, I apologize for the inconvenience. The restriction is imposed by our contract with the rights holder.

And the name / identity of the "rights holder" is?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1170675#Comment_1170675

And the name / identity of the "rights holder" is?

From the title page, it appears to be Catholic Book Publishing Corp. out of New York.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1170687#Comment_1170687

And the name / identity of the "rights holder" is?

From the title page, it appears to be Catholic Book Publishing Corp. out of New York.

Curiously, there’s a long list of countries it’s approved for (Physical book). But I have heard that there are a lot of subgroups holding rights too (The Divine Office app ran into trouble there). So it could be one of them too. It sounds bewildering.

Quite possibly we’ll need to do it all over again in 2024: https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/youre-gonna-need-a-new-breviary-heres

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1170688#Comment_1170688

Quite possibly we’ll need to do it all over again in 2024: https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/youre-gonna-need-a-new-breviary-heres

Next time will be much simpler: the NABRE (unlike the NAB) will still be available to be licensed, and the copyrights for every single liturgical text in the LotH outside the public domain will belong to ICEL or the USCCB. Unless they include copyrighted Latin texts (e.g., hymns), in which case it would be LEV. Still much simpler.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1170963#Comment_1170963

I've already commented at how it would be so much better if this was a "one click" book to read. I bought this because it is confusing to find the right place for the ribbons, and I certainly understand why there must be ribbons, without them the LOTH would be probably ten times as large as much of what is said daily is said many times throughout the year.

BUT even without that convenience, which is what I thought Verbum's LOTH was going to be, we need a yearly guide to tell us what readings are needed for each day.

The current system of Verbum bookmarks is less convenient (at least so far) than a physical ribbon and a printed book. But I'm open minded, I'll give this a good try.

Example:

Ribbon Placement: 2021 Apr 03, for Holy Saturday
This was the LAST DATE that Divine Office.org published the Ribbon Placements.

Invitatory

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Antiphon: 467
Psalm: 1044

Office of Readings

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1045
All from Proper of Seasons: 492

Morning Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1049
All from Proper of Seasons: 499

Midmorning Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1054
Complementary Psalmody: 1651 (Midmorning)
Proper of Seasons: 507 (antiphon, reading, concluding prayer)

Midday Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1054
All from Proper of Seasons: 504

Midafternoon Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1054
Complementary Psalmody: 1655 (Midafternoon)
Proper of Seasons: 508 (antiphon, reading, concluding prayer)

Evening Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol. II:
Ordinary: 1064
All from Proper of Seasons: 509

Night Prayer

Liturgy of the Hours Vol II:
Page 1628
Antiphon following Reading: Page 514

Electronically it should be possible to open Verbum click on LOTH and have the names of the Hours before you and if "Morning Prayer" is clicked, have one page assembled from the various paper pages in the printed volumes before you ready and easy to read. Such a joy that would be, especially as I get older and even the LARGE PRINT volumes of LOTH are difficult to read, with Verbum, I can make the letters very, very large.

So we need a Supplement to tell us where the readings are for each day!

One is sold in paper but I think this should have been included in Verbum's license for LOTH.

Thanks,