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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 4 2020 2:15 PM

MJ. Smith:

Dave Hooton:
I don't see the value in searching across chapters/articles, and Searching becomes inefficient if articles (defined by the Indexer) are too large.

I agree with you on texts which had articles/chapters in the original texts. I don't agree for texts such as the Bible where the chapters and verses are later, arbitrary additions. In the latter case, some arbitrary (or settable) length such as 1000 words could be used. 

A Search boundary like that would need to be settable, as in Morph Query. But it would greatly add to the complexity of defining a query; which could easily be inefficient (time-wise). Which is why Morph Query is run on Faithlife servers.

The limitation of Bible verses is overcome by using a Basic Search on article boundaries. If you search for "life" in Lk 10, you will see that some bibles have 2 results in 1 article, but Amplified states "in 2 articles". Whilst CEV has 2 results in 1 article, the article is a pericope, and not a chapter heading. Good News Translation, NRSV & NIV84 also have pericope headings. So Bible articles in a Basic Search can be chapters, pericopes, and even verses (Amplified). Faithlife have stated that they do not want to change those non-chapter boundaries in order to retain consistency with past results.

Syntax Search (for original language Bibles) shows that boundaries can be grammatical divisions like sentence, clause and phrase. They also can be classified as "later, arbitrary additions", but they are more meaningful than establishing boundaries on numbers of words, and they rarely (if ever) cross chapter boundaries.

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James Neuendorf | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 4 2020 3:51 PM

I know they have given a hard no to converting a pdf into a full logos book, but I would be happy with a simple pdf reader within logos that at the minimum would index and feed back some search results from the recognized text, which is already embedded in most PDFs with OCR anyway, the dirty secret is this feature already exists (books.logos.com), they provide many public domain PDFs this way, you read the book in the media tab, but it’s fully searchable. the problem is we cannot add our own books or journals to it. That seems like less of a programming issue and more of a deliberate crippling of the software. 99% of modern journal articles I can download in PDF format are already OCR equipped and quite accurate. It’s only a problem if you want some German article from 1932. I’m not asking for a full logos book copy of the article necessarily, I’m fine with it staying as a pdf, just let it pop up in my searches and keep my notes from the pdf tagged to the file. Again, they appear to have already programmed this in! 

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 4 2020 10:19 PM

James Neuendorf:

I know they have given a hard no to converting a pdf into a full logos book, but I would be happy with a simple pdf reader within logos that at the minimum would index and feed back some search results from the recognized text, which is already embedded in most PDFs with OCR anyway

I completely agree.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 8:07 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

Reading plans

Reading plans

Reading plans

Reading plans

Reading plans

Reading Plans

Reading plans...

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 10:54 AM

Yea I agree reading plans.  The improvement I want is to do away with the dates and just make it reading sessions.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 11:44 AM

Please add Notes secondary anchors functionality so they can support every type that a primary anchor does. Thanks!

Two examples of unsupported secondary anchor references:

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 12:01 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:

Yea I agree reading plans.  The improvement I want is to do away with the dates and just make it reading sessions.

I second that.  Or at least have a different catch up option that doesn't mark overdue readings as complete, but rather moves the most overdue reading to "today".

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 12:47 PM

Andrew:
  Or at least have a different catch up option that doesn't mark overdue readings as complete, but rather moves the most overdue reading to "today".

 That already exists! You want “adjust plan from today.”  “Catch Up” does what you describe. If you need help, create a new thread and I can provide screenshots. 

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 1:32 PM

JT (alabama24):

Andrew:
  Or at least have a different catch up option that doesn't mark overdue readings as complete, but rather moves the most overdue reading to "today".

 That already exists! You want “adjust plan from today.”  “Catch Up” does what you describe. If you need help, create a new thread and I can provide screenshots. 

Wow, that feature is really hidden: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/93491.aspx  Thank you - I have been wishing for this option for a long time...Seems more useful to me than the "Catch Up" option.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 5 2020 4:07 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
What improvements should we make to existing features?

If Faithlife is genuinely expanding into theology, they have done some useful work for some users but, in general, I would say they have missed the mark for another set of users.

1. It is useful to create a neutral ontology so the organization of the LST has it's place. However, for many Christians an organization already existed in the for of the 12 articles of the Apostles Creed. An alternative organization based on the Creed would be "more natural" to many users and greatly appreciated:

Reformed Answers:

The Apostles' Creed

1. I believe in God the Father [Isa. 44:5-6], Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth [Gen. 1:1; John 1:3; Acts 14:15]:

2. And in Jesus Christ [Luke 2:11; John 20:28], his only begotten Son [John 3:16], our Lord [John 20:28]:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost [Luke 1:35], born of the Virgin Mary [Luke 1:27]:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate [Luke 23:24]; was crucified [John 19:20; Acts 4:10], dead [1 Cor. 15:3] and buried [1 Cor. 15:4]: He descended into hell [Acts 2:24, i.e. the grave]:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead [1 Cor. 15:4]:

6. He ascended into heaven [Luke 24:51; Acts 1:11], and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty [Mark 16:19; Heb 1:3; 10:12]:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead [John 5:22; 2 Tim. 4:1]:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost [John 15:26; 16:7-8, 13]:

9. I believe in the holy catholic [universal] church [Gal. 3:28; 1 Tim. 3:15]: the communion of saints [Acts 2:44; Heb. 10:25]:

10. The forgiveness of sins [Luke 7:48]:

11. The resurrection of the body [1 Cor. 15:52-54; 1 Thess. 4:16]:

12. And the life everlasting [John 10:28; 17:2]. Amen [Eph. 3:21; Rev. 7:12].

2. The Creeds/Confessions of Faith/ etc. are a frequent starting point for many when addressing historical questions or fundamental starting points for unfamiliar denominations. The resources offered in this area should be expanded (think Pelikan). But more important is some form of a parallel creed reader that presents sections on the same topic side by side.

3. The majority of systematic theology works represent the opinion of one person and have little authority and less long term influence. There are, of course, exceptions such as Palamas, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin . . .What is usually of more interest to an "outsider" than individual's opinions is the corporate opinion of the church as a whole .. think Lambeth papers, or the papers produced on same sex marriage, homosexuality, just warfare, capital punishment ... This is where the church hits the pavement and most questions I need to research fall. Building relationships with the publishers of church documents is critical.

4. Several branches of Christianity take "Lex orandi, lex credendi" very seriously. Liturgy IS theology in contrast to theology of liturgy. Therefore, Faithlife needs to improve the sequencing of the data in the Liturgy Guide section, implement historic lectionaries (i.e. liturgical dates only), and implement a basic structure into which worship services can be coded to permit easy comparison of analogous parts across rite, time and denomination. This also requires moving into the Daily Prayer/Breviary/Liturgical of the Hours/ et. al. as daily prayer is a significant element of liturgy.

When Faithlife addresses theology in this way, I will believe that they took their move into theology seriously and considered the needs from the lay leader to the ordained clergy to the professor.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2020 7:59 PM

Many great and much needed suggestions!

Here is another:

Simplify Reading Plan builder UI and expand it's metric selection options and overall capabilities. As it stands, the Reading Plan builder is too complex in the making of a plan and, at the same time, restrictive in it's metrics and capabilities. For instance, if I want to read a chapter a day of a book or if I want to read 3 OT chapters, 1 NT chapters, and 1 Psalm a day: in L8, I currently would have to painstakingly input page numbers or each day's readings in a tedious project that would take hour(s). This will not hold the next generation.

Additionally, expand the Reading Plan capabilities such as:
-read a recurring plan or recurring part of a plan (ie. read a chapter of Proverbs daily thru the month each month)
-options for the days readings to: (a) be ready made on the home page, click-free (b) be emailed to you daily (c) be texted to you as a reminder
-include other metrics such as section or unit
-etc.

I really believe simplification and expansion will help retain the next generation. Many want to use a powerful and smart software like Logos, but few want to master a difficult and complex learning curve. Make it simple and intuitive.

I'm ready to see a easier and smarter Reading Plan builder!

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Willie | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 12:40 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

A user option to hide the green Go box button:

The bright green Go button to the right of the Go box on the desktop’s main window is an uncomfortable visual distraction for me as I try to focus on resource text below it and perform other program functions.  It is so distracting that I’ve had to resort to hanging a small strip of cloth from the top of my monitor to cover this button.    

Please add an option for users to hide the green Go button if they desire.  The Go button, in my opinion, is not even necessary since when using the Go box, one can either use the enter key or mouse click on their desired choice from the drop down list.        

Adding a “hide Go button” option would be the simplest and I believe most logical solution to the problem I’ve described; however, Faithlife might also consider combining this option with a “change Go button color” option (from a list of several color choices to include an unobtrusive shade of grey).  This would be helpful if a user chooses to “unhide” the Go button but prefers a different color. 

To reiterate, this issue is seriously hindering my ability to use the program.  Adding a “hide Go button” option would solve this problem and make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for me.  Overall, I love the Logos program but a lot of impressive new features mean nothing if the program is painful to look at whenever I open the main window. 

Please see this recently submitted UserVoice suggestion:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/39347266-add-option-to-hide-the-green-go-box-button

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

What general themes or areas should we focus on?

UI customization options for desktop which:

  • increase eye comfort and text readability
  • enable users to make limited adjustments to the appearance of the main window and resource panels to fit their own particular vision needs 
  • provide relief to those users who have trouble tolerating extremely bright, high contrast buttons, icons, and other UI elements

Specific actions which would help address these goals are as follows: 

Main Window

  -  Go button 

  • Add an option to hide the bright green Go button.  (See my comments reflected above concerning this issue.)  If I was allowed only one request for Logos 9, it would be this one!

  -  Logos Icon  

  • Remove the large Logos icon on the top left corner of the main window which serves no functional purpose and takes up space that could better be applied to the shortcut bar. 

  -  Toolbar 

  • Add a single mouse click option to hide the entire main window toolbar (home/library/search icons, Go box/Go button, docs/guides/tools menus, shortcut bar, etc.) while remaining in a normal multi-tiled, multi-paneled workspace.

Resource Panel 

  -  Toolbar Buttons

  • Add an option to hide any individual button within the resource panel toolbar that is visually distracting, seldom used, or routinely accessed through another means (such as a context menu or the resource panel menu).

  -  Toolbar

  • Add a single mouse click option to hide the entire resource panel toolbar (TOC button, reference box, tool buttons, etc.) while working in a normal multi-tiled, multi-paneled workspace. 

  -  Tab System

  • Add an option to hide the resource icons which currently appear within each tab and replace them with resource abbreviations.  (An alternative method of viewing the resource icon is already available by hovering over a tab.) 
  • Add a single mouse click option to hide the Link Set indicator box within all tabs.  (I know which resources I've linked so the indicator in each tab is an unnecessary distraction and lengthens the tab.)
  • Return the height of each panel tab to its shorter Logos 7 tab height.
  • Add an option to hide the "X" button in all inactive tabs and rely on the right click menu to close.
  • Add an option to change the color of the bright orange line over the active tab and below an active search category to the bluish grey line used in Logos 7.

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

....what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

UI customization options for desktop:

It would be a powerful encouragement for potential new customers to choose Logos and for current customers to continue making routine purchases if they knew regardless of what default UI changes might occur, they would have the ability to adjust the appearance of the main window and resource panels to fit their own particular vision needs. 

As an example, I had previously planned on making several large Logos purchases this year but since no UI customization option exists to overcome the uncomfortably distracting bright green Go button which was introduced with Logos 8 and it is currently unknown whether such an option will exist in Logos 9, my previously planned purchases are on hold.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 3:03 AM

Passage List Fix:

Let me edit the Passage address in a list so I can fix it if some detail is wrong

Example:  Edit Ps 18:1-2 to Ps 18:1-3

I've wanted to do this so many times and I must presently add the passage manually in the little hole at the bottom of pages of passages and then delete the existing passage--if I can find it again.  I never seem to get it quite right. A simple right click | edit or some better idea would be helpful. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 1:18 PM

Please restore search everything behavior.

It's not "expected behavior" when users expect something different than what developers coded.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 4:06 PM

Rethink the Home page.

It's not compelling, intuitive, easy-to-use, nor is it an efficient use of space. It also doesn't scroll using arrow keys very well. Conpile Reading Plans as an article at the top daily; link to favorite or most used layouts, resources, bibles, tools, collections, notes, docs, files, web links, etc; option to remove random articles, FL promos, etc; option for single column; use space efficiently; etc.

The purpose should be intuitive, quick access. Customization should be an option, not a requirement for a new user first logging in.

I don't even use the L8 Home page. It is complex inefficient, and very  completely useless. This does not hold new users and will not retain the next generation.

The keyword here is not 'powerful', which Logos is, but 'ease-of use', 'simple', 'intuitive', and 'efficient'. Another-- 'usability'. These keywords are also needed throughout much of Logos and should be one of the main goals of L9 (and kept n mind when building further versions as well). That is how you retain new users and win the next generation!

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 7:33 PM

At a minimum, please add Reading Cycle improvements to support (power) lookup and verse previews.

The Courses tool already supports this for its embedded content.

Honestly, would prefer to see all types of readings supported by an improved Courses tool, so we could (create and) complete all manner of reading plans, reading lists, reading cycles, etc., within a single tool.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 9:26 PM

Dark mode!!

My email client, to do list, evernote, and (would you believe) even Microsoft Word all default to dark mode when I activate dark mode on my mac. 

This leaves Logos not so much as a lamp to my feet as a painful headlight in my eyes

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2020 8:31 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

What should we do to win the next generation of new users?

This is an interesting question. I have two sons that are both young preachers. Both seem to prefer paper books. I will never understand why. It seems that for them the idea of using Bible software is an uphill battle. 

As a marketing strategy, I do think they are strongly influenced by what they saw used in the seminary classroom. I'd try hard to market to seminary professors with the thought that if you get them using Logos in the classroom, the students will want to use Logos when they get out of school. 

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Danny Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2020 9:20 AM

I was reminded again recently --- make things simple. Apple created a dynasty by making it all about the user interface rather than having to have 'expert knowledge. After 30 years of using Logos, it seems to be getting more and more complex with less and less added value. I personally have stopped trying to keep up.

Use Logos 9 as an opportunity to make it simpler to use (and fast). This would result in the greatest long term impact for future sales and for a more satisfied user base. Less about needing software knowledge - more about actual use for Bible study.

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Donald McNeeley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2020 10:09 AM

3000.Wrong Lemma Tag in Proverbs 1-29.pdf

A few changes that should be simple.

In "Clippings" you capture the highlighted information from the resource and then capture the biographical information as well. Currently, when I desire to use the information on a paper, I have to click on the resource link and then copy from the resource to produce the footnote when I paste the citation into WORD. Please enhance "Clippings" to allow a direct copy of the "Clipping" directly into WORD.

I some cases, the "hyperlink" as indicated by the letters being is blue do not work. Someone should review the hyperlinks and ensure they all work. It is somewhat embarrassing when I States to my students, click on the "hyperlink" and it does not bring up the OWNED resource, but just the name. (See attached PPT.

In another case, the lemma lik is not correct. See the attached PPT for the example. If was extremely embarrassing when this resulted in an erroneous report.

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