Learning Biblical Hebrew Workbook

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 24 2019 3:02 AM

Hi! I'm having an issue with the logos edition of the Learning Biblical Hebrew Workbook by Karl Kutz and Rebekah Josberger.

  1. When I navigate to the exercises, the resource only shows their first page's contents (e.g. part 1 exercise 2). We are instructed to "click thumbnail to download for printing".
  2. When I click Show Media, the Media view shows me all the pages of this exercise, which is great.
  3. When I click Print, only page 1 appears in the print dialog and can be printed.

So my issue is that Logos only sends page 1 to the print dialog.
We can't print all the pages of each exercise.
I found no way to print the following pages of each exercise.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas (or I wish you a happy new year)!

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Doug Mangum | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 26 2019 12:53 PM

Hi Daniel,

The Media tool sends the actively selected page to the print dialogue. You can tell which one is selected because there will be an orange dot in the media tool at the top of the selected page and to the left. You will have to send each page to print separately. Another option is downloading all the images of the exercise using the Save As button and selecting "all images" but it saves them as separate *.png files that you'd have to individually print anyway.

This was a tricky resource to adapt for Logos since part 1 was predominantly worksheets. I don't think many of them are longer than 2 or 3 pages. I realize it's an inconvenience to print each page individually. I'll look into whether that's a bug in the Media tool that can be fixed.

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 28 2019 3:02 AM

Hi Doug,

Thanks for your answer, I now have a working solution.

The Save as... => Save all slides as images trick:

This trick works if one is willing to print one page per sheet (I was hoping to print on both sides).
One could use a word or PDF editing app to reassemble a multi-page document with the images before printing.
I think that's what I will do.

The Media tool and the actively selected page:

After reading your answer, I tried right-clicking on each page's image and using Print from there.
But even then, most of the time what was printed was another one of the pages, not the one I had right-clicked on.

...Then I came back here to write the bad news and re-read your answer one more time.
Going back to the Media tool, I was able to obtain coherent behavior: if I click on the page I want to print, I get to move the orange dot to this particular page, and then if I scroll and see the orange dot at its top, I know that what I'll print will be this particular page.

Conclusion

Although I'm now privy to some working options, I think most readers will tread a similar path as I did:

  1. It's weird that exercises can't be fully consulted apart from using the Media tool to even know that they have more pages than their first page.
  2. Understanding the orange dot's usefulness is neither self-evident, nor explained.
  3. We're still left with a solution that requires printing each page separately, unless we want to go to the trouble of reassembling a multi-page document.

I hope the Media tool could offer a Print all slides option, just like it offers to Save all slides.

In the meantime, If Lexham Press could send owners a link to download all the reassembled pages as a series of multi-page PDF documents, it would be very great!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 28 2019 9:00 AM

Daniel Jomphe:
I hope the Media tool could offer a Print all slides option, just like it offers to Save all slides.

If the proposed Print all slides option followed the present logic of Save all slides, you would end up with a bunch of single page documents being sent to your printer, which I imagine would be fine if they all went in order and you were using a physical printer rather than a print-to-.pdf or similar virtual printer.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2020 1:19 AM

I have the same issue as Daniel and it is not very intuitive as to what is going on and like Daniel I struggled to find the way to make sense of how to print the second page.

If this is how the media tool was designed to work then it is very disappointing and the design was not done with the end user in mind. There should be an option where the use gets to choose to print all pages or to print only the currently selected page.  The little orange dot off to the side is not visible enough, it is too small and I would have had no idea what it was about if I did manage to notice it at all.

At the very least you need to put clear instructions in the left hand side bar to alert the user to the fact only the currently 'selected' page will print and let the user know how they can determine what is actually the currently selected page. Instead what is there is a useless option box to 'auto-post' to my Faithlife. Why would I want to auto-post to FL that I am printing a Hebrew exercise to complete as part of my learning experience ?

Every time I use a part of this software I don't normally use I shake my head and wonder what on earth ( or heaven for that matter) was the person who designed this thinking when they come up with this solution. The mind boggles what goes on inside the four walls of FL.

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 13 2020 2:39 AM

Daniel Jomphe:

If Lexham Press could send owners a link to download all the reassembled pages as a series of multi-page PDF documents, it would be very great!

Hi, I'm coming back to work on this grammar and I see things did not improve since 2019.

Might I ask Lexham to think about providing owners a PDF document containing all the exercise, to save us all dozens of error-prone manual operations?

Thanks again for any answer!

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 2:25 AM

Hi again!

In my most recent try this week, it took me a half-hour to print the 4 PDFs of Exercise 2.

  1. First time they didn't come out big enough on the Letter paper sheets, so I ran the PDFs through PDF Pen and learned my way in the app to resize each page contents to end up with narrower margins.
  2. Second time I realized I'd need to highlight manually with a pen highlighter those contrasts that don't print out on paper:

Unless I find some way to tell my printer to use more contrast. I should try this next...

Still I'm puzzled about how I can go through printing each exercise efficiently.

Alternatively, I think I might end up buying a paper copy.

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Colin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 7:24 AM

Hi Daniel, 

Thanks for explaining your work-arounds and for persisting with pleading for this resource to be improved and made more user-friendly. I have just had a look at it and am shocked with how difficult it is to use. I am particularly surprised because this is a Lexham Press resource! Surely if any books in Logos format ought to be easy to navigate and use it would be Lexham Press resources!

Logos must have access to the original document in a format which would enable the user to select a small part and copy it to put into a document (as we can with our other books and journals), or to select a larger portion and print it as you wish to do. The present format is even less user-friendly than a Faithlife ebook. 

Here I add my voice to yours in pleading for the quality resource from Logos we are used to. 

Shalom, 

Colin. 

 

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Robert Kelbe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 9:09 AM

I just noted some formatting issues in this resource as well...

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193089.aspx

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Doug Mangum | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 10:05 AM

Daniel, I'm sorry you're still experiencing trouble with this resource. As far as I know, this was the first time that Logos tried something like this to provide print-designed worksheet pages in a digital resource. So your feedback on what wasn't working well is helpful. I'm going to try to get a single PDF of all the printable pages to make available for part 1 of the workbook (the exercises). I think the content of the rest of the workbook was more easily adapted to digital, but I hope people will let me know if they have issues using the graded readers part of the resource, too.

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 2:03 PM

Doug and all, thanks for the supportive words and intentions! I'm very thankful!

BTW I found I can tune my printer for better contrast, so at least I'll be OK with the PDF Doug is speaking about.

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Jake Mailhot | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 2:40 PM

Doug Mangum:
I'm going to try to get a single PDF of all the printable pages to make available for part 1 of the workbook (the exercises).

The printable PDF of all the worksheets has been made availabe here, on the LBH Workbook product page, and on the LBH companion website under "Supplemental Student Helps."

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Daniel Jomphe | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 3:37 PM

Thank you, this is exactly what I needed, finally!! Smile

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 24 2020 8:26 PM

Thanks, Doug and Jake!

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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Colin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2020 12:29 AM

Thanks very much for this. 

Shalom,

Colin. 

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 25 2020 6:54 AM

Thanks for making the PDFs available. 

They will help a lot. 

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