Zipscript is invaluable!
In Logos... One has to use the Sermon Builder (SB) for a lot of things.. One weakness of Logos and SB is there is no place or keys to just copy a verse into SB... So, I use good ole Zipscript for the task and it works just fine! Hope Logos doesn't get rid of Zipscript!!!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Xnman,
Type in the bible reference in your sermon document.
Right click on the bible reference and select insert verse and it should automatically insert the text that you have selected and place it on its on slide.
Logos does have a tool called Copy bible verses. Go into the tools panel and you should be able to find it.
However, like many I do love the Zipscript tool from Wordsearch. I hope that it has a future in Logos software.
I also would like to give a plug for the instant verse study from Wordsearch.
You select your bible reference.
Then you select the books that you want Wordsearch to get information from for you.
It goes through all of the books that you selected and pulls information related to the passage of Scripture you selected.
Finally, it automatically creates a document for you to paste into your word processor or you can place it into Microsoft word (etc.) and make a personal book out of it and send it to kindle so that you can read it through the kindle app.
Logos, please keep the Zipscript and Instant verse study tool from Wordsearch.
[:)]
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Thanks Jesse Blevins!
There are some things that I use that I am so used to and it feels so easy that I would love to keep and Zipscript is one of them. While I can insert into Sermon Builder and some things in Logos the Logos way... Zipscript does so much more like email, online programs, etc. And it is very easy and simple to use...
I'll also plug Instant Verse Study. I still go back to WS and use it. Loved it.
But thanks again for the heads up in Logos features.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Xnman,
Your welcome.
Since your new to Logos I would like to recommend www.learnlogos.com to you.
It's a great training resource. I just consider the money that I spend on these training products as buying back time in my work week and saving myself from unwanted frustration.
The best offer available is the course in which he provides in detailed training over every feature of the software.
I wish you the best in your Logos journey.
Jesse
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It has been said over and over in other threads when the transition first began, but the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and Zipscript is a very valuable tool for ministry online in all of the various social media outlets.
I don't know if the Logos Team is listening, but I will continue to repeat myself on this issue until it is heard.
In His Love and Service,
Peace
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skypeace said:
I don't know if the Logos Team is listening, but I will continue to repeat myself on this issue until it is heard.
Not that I have ever used Zipscript, but from the description, it seems to be an OS based gadget rather than being integrated into the software.
If this is the case...
is it multi-platform? (ie are all those calling for it to be maintained Windows users?)
is there any reason that the Logos Team should become the developers (ie why not a third party?)
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Mike Binks....
Here's what I see with Zipscript (Zs). I think Logos would do well to make it work with books, etc in Logos. If Logos does "farm it out" to a 3rd party, then WS users and maybe even Logos users should be "grandfathered in" or have use of it.
Zipscript works with anything I have that I type into. Logos currently does not have that capability. Many people use Word Perfect or MS Word or some other word processor to type their sermons into rather than use WS or Logos. I once was like that myself.
Zs works with all of them and with email, with Logos Notes or anything you type into in Logos and with any internet browser I have used, Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Edge, Avast, etc. In this way, Zs is like no other... you can format the copied text different ways...
I think it's needed for the above reasons... I know I will certainly feel a loss if I were to loose it.
But right now it works for me and works well. I would like to see Logos spend time on getting this transition from WS to Logos done before anything else. Get all the users on the same playing field so to speak - Logos. Then maybe Zs might come into play.
just my 2 cents... which with $2.50 will buy a cup of coffee in some places. [8-)]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Zs works with all of them and with email, with Logos Notes or anything you type into in Logos and with any internet browser I have used, Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Edge, Avast, etc. In this way, Zs is like no other... you can format the copied text different ways...
Curious how Zs compares with Text service "Replace with Passage" on macOS ?
Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Smart_Tags
My reply includes Pp 4.4 (below) that was selected then used "Replace with Passage" Text Service in a web browser on macOS 10.15.7 (desktop app was open, which used Copy Bible Verses formatting for passage, which included pericope)
Philippians 4:4 (LEB)
Be Anxious for Nothing
4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I say, rejoice.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Originally coming from an engineering background, Apple products were like taboo. So, I don't know how Zs works on apple... but I would surmise it would work well. Since WS is part of Logos, then Zs should be part of Logos and because of that you might be able to download it and try it out. It's a very handy piece of software.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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But unfortunately Logos doesn;t seem to have kept it because it no longer works from my wordsearch Norman
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Norman Shannon said:
But unfortunately Logos doesn;t seem to have kept it because it no longer works from my wordsearch Norman
Right now.....If WordSearch is not on your machine...then ZipScript won't work. ZipScript links into the Bibles on WordSearch.
I run Windows.... Have WordSearch on my machine....and ZipScript works for me. I use it regularly. I use it with MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Logos Sermon Builder, Logos Notes, etc.... I know it doesn't work with Passage Lists...... But I did use it today (in Sermon Builder) and it worked for me. Love ZipScript!!!!!
I am praying Logos will incorporate it to work with Bibles in Logos. Seems like they own the code now.... maybe just a matter of linking into Logos Bibles instead of WordSearch Bibles..... I hope, hopea hopea hope!
It's own my wish list....
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Here's the rundown about ZipScript, InstaVerse, and Logos' current options, and some feedback:
1. ZipScript was produced by Wordsearch. It's Windows only (never ran on Mac).
2. The current Logos alternative is "Copy Bible Verses", but it only runs when Logos is running. Close Logos, and it goes away. It would be great if Logos made a version of "Copy Bible Verses" on steroids that incorporated the functionality of ZipScript, plus allowed it to keep running with Logos wasn't running. The older Copy Bible Verses feature of Libronix and DVI in LLS were a little closer to ZipScript since they had tray icons, but they still quit when Logos/Libronix/LLS isn't running.
3. InstaVerse had some similar functionality to ZipScript, but the main feature was it allowed for Bible popovers in Word docs and websites.
4. Logos offers Smart Tags in Word, but I don't think it does Bible popovers in Word. There's also Faithlife RefTagger which offers Bible popovers in websites, but the website has to enable it, whereas InstaVerse was global. It would be useful if a downloadable version of Faithlife RefTagger was offered that could add Bible verse popovers to word processing documents and websites that haven't server-side enabled it.
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Logos smart tags no longer works in Word.
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Have you tried Smart Tags (logos.com)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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But that is so cumbersome compared to two clicks and it's done with ZipScript.
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Hey Mr. Binks,
ZipScript is sort of what we used to call a "Background Utility" back when PCs first started running more than one program at a time. If it's use is selected and chosen to run at start up, It resides in the taskbar, waiting for it's call to go to work. It's not an OS based gadget but an actual small, stand alone Utility program originated by WORDseach in the days before Lifeway bought them out.
It's cool in that you don't have to type in scripture references. Just highlight the passage(s) that you need and send them where you need them, email, Internal word processor, Word, Powerpoint, etc.
I don't know if "App" programmers are up to the task or not. In my eyes, Apps are basically not much more than a Utility program with pretty back grounds and pictures, not actual programs that do much integrated work. But some might be up to it. If they understand what the original source code is designed to do.
Logos, since they bought WORDSearch should be able to integrate it IF they are motivated to.
Logos is such a top heavy application that I don't really like using it. When it takes what used to be considered a "Super Computer" and a fairly fast internet connection to run it, it's too heavy. Especially for text based books. The relational data base must be most of the overhead, I'm not sure.
If you haven't used WORDSearch on a PC, you have truly missed out. Even Quickverse is much lighter weight and faster than Logos. I first purchased Quickvers in 1989 with the KJV and Strong's. It came on 5 1/4 floppies, 14 for the program and 20 or so for the rest and there was no internet yet available to the public. On a 33 Mhz 286DX with a 40 Mb HD, it was fast, loading, in searches, and all other uses.
Speed doesn't really matter once you have what you need to read. But switching resources should not end up with 7 or 8 books or resources opened up that you never asked for or need, and still haven't found the reference that I needed, which is what I always end up with when I use Logos.
I sent screenshots to the other post like you asked.
Shabbat Shalom
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Keith Hailey said:
But switching resources should not end up with 7 or 8 books or resources opened up that you never asked for or need
I am puzzled by this statement - I have never had that happen and can't figure out how to make it happen. I suspect there is some fairly basic function that you are not using or are misusing. Can you provide an example?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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xnman said:
Right now.....If WordSearch is not on your machine...then ZipScript won't work. ZipScript links into the Bibles on WordSearch.
Anybody who had ZipScript when using WordSearch on Windows should still be able to use it unless they have deleted the WS installation.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Yes.
As a creator of written material (day in and day out), I've found that my thought process runs way ahead of my fingers - whether I am holding a pencil or typing on a keyboard.
WordSearch's ZipScript gave me the ability to insert Bible text just by hitting the hot-keys, typing the reference, and hitting enter. Then I moved on creating content. My thinking hardly had to slow down.
Using the Logos methods suggested in conversations like this force my brain to stop writing and engage a dozen or more clicks - a process that is not even close to becoming second nature to me. By the time the text is inserted in my document, my thought process has gone on to something further down the tracks.
I sincerely and respectfully hope Logos developers can see the value in this. Just as many of them have found tools like NotePad clunky to use and opted for something like Vim, I find Logos verse copy and paste clunky and distracting to my thinking.
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So I did find a faster way copy verses from Logos to my Word document. Maybe it's commonly used; I just discovered it.
- Enter the reference into the passage search field on your Bible in Logos
- Select the verses you want to copy (click-drag with your mouse)
- Press Ctrl+Alt+b
- Choose Copy and Paste
That's shorter than some other recommendations I've received.
But it's still miles behind Zipscript in terms of convenience and speed.
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Stephen Shields said:
So I did find a faster way copy verses from Logos to my Word document. Maybe it's commonly used; I just discovered it.
- Enter the reference into the passage search field on your Bible in Logos
- Select the verses you want to copy (click-drag with your mouse)
- Press Ctrl+Alt+b
- Choose Copy and Paste
That's shorter than some other recommendations I've received.
But it's still miles behind Zipscript in terms of convenience and speed.
Amen and Amen! I/m still praying Logos will change the default Bible in ZipScript from WordSearch to Logos.[8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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PLEASE repair "ZIPSCRIPT"
PLEASE...a thousand times PLEASE
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Wallace Scaife said:
PLEASE repair "ZIPSCRIPT"
PLEASE...a thousand times PLEASE
I'll ad another thousand times please to that! And lots and lots of prayer that Logos will wake up to a wonderful help to the program!!!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Xnman, I'm not sure if this will work for you or not, but my ZipScript is still usable in MS Word and in WordPerfect. I had not used it in "years" and actually had forgotten about until I started reading your posts. I found ZS in my list of individual apps under the WSearch 12 link.
Clicking on the windows symbol on the left side of my task bar and then selecting "All apps" at the top left. It opened showing all of the various apps/programs that I have. I have not removed WS from my computer and underneath the WS app it also listed ZipScript.
I then anchored it to my task bar and it currently works as designed.
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Bill, thanks for jumping in. Do you currently have Wordsearch installed on your computer? I do - and it works well. I think that Zipscript is using the Wordsearch libraries to get the data for your word processors.
My concern is that on my next computer, since I can no longer install Wordsearch, Zipscript will not function. [U]
How cool would it be if I were wrong in that!!!!
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Stephen Shields said:
I think that Zipscript is using the Wordsearch libraries to get the data for your word processors.
My concern is that on my next computer, since I can no longer install Wordsearch, Zipscript will not function.
Stephen, I concur that this is a fair assessment of what is happening behind the scenes. I believe as security tightens (programs are put into "silos") it will be more difficult to program a utility to mine a file that is not open (file A on a local drive), extract info to the clipboard, and automatically paste into programs B,C, & D. I have confidence that brains greater than mine can write a solution.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Stephen Shields said:
Bill, thanks for jumping in. Do you currently have Wordsearch installed on your computer? I do - and it works well. I think that Zipscript is using the Wordsearch libraries to get the data for your word processors.
My concern is that on my next computer, since I can no longer install Wordsearch, Zipscript will not function.
How cool would it be if I were wrong in that!!!!
Stephen, yes, I do still have WS installed on my laptop. ZS works "fine" except that I cannot change which version of the Bible that I prefer to use. (Right now, for whatever reason, mine "chosen version" is Webster's Bible...I don't recall ever using that particular version in the past, but apparently I have.
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Bill Shewmaker said:
I cannot change which version of the Bible that I prefer to use
Bill, what do you mean by that? Can you not change the Bible version you copy from at all, or does it revert back to Webster's even after you copy from some other version? I just fired mine up, and it retains the last-used version each time, but allows me to pick from the list if I want to change it, and then keeps that change.
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David Thomas said:
it will be more difficult to program a utility
I think pretty much the opposite it true: it has probably never been easier to share content between applications, generally speaking. The issue with ZipScript is simply that it is a Wordsearch applet written using Wordsearch application controls to pull content from Wordsearch Bibles. It won't work with Logos Bibles without a re-write. Not that I think that would be particularly hard (easy for me to say!), but Faithlife would have to see the value in putting the resources into it.
I hope they do - I think having a lightweight utility that leverages the library for this targeted common need is a nice value-add. If they do, I hope they use the opportunity to take over the Wordsearch verse picker control, a Logos version of which would be a great addition to the program on most resource windows. I also hope they provide a means for filtering the list of available Bibles to choose from, as I have so many resources in Logos that get classified as Type=Bible that the unfiltered list would be pretty unmanageable.
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John W Gillis said:
I have so many resources in Logos that get classified as Type=Bible that the unfiltered list would be pretty unmanageable.
Just checking whether this is a potential problem or an actual one John.
I find that the boxes that allow me to pinpoint the translation that I want allow me to hone in without problem.
If it is an actual problem please will you give examples preferably with screen shots of the menus in question.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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John W Gillis said:Bill Shewmaker said:
I cannot change which version of the Bible that I prefer to use
Bill, what do you mean by that? Can you not change the Bible version you copy from at all, or does it revert back to Webster's even after you copy from some other version? I just fired mine up, and it retains the last-used version each time, but allows me to pick from the list if I want to change it, and then keeps that change.
In my ZipScript I cannot find a way to change the version...I didn't use it all that often because Logos had an app that worked with MSWord where all you had to do was type the Scripture reference, right click the reference and then select "further action" from a drop-down dialog box to "replace with text." MSWord decided not to continue allowing that to function...that's when I really started using ZS and I don't recall seeing a way to change versions directly in ZS as I thought it was driven by WS.
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