Logos Desktop on Surface Pro X?

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 29 2020 10:54 AM

Is there anyone who participated in Windows Insider program, owns a Surface Pro X, and managed to run Logos Desktop? The x64 emulation whilst still on beta, looks somewhat promising. Just wondering if anyone out there is able to test this out for those deciding between the usual Surface Pro/Pro X. I know the Pro with Intel chip is theoretically far more powerful than the Pro X, but I'm really leaning towards the Pro X for its design and battery life.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 7:02 AM

see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/185519.aspx and https://community.logos.com/forums/t/187873.aspx 

The ARM-based processor that runs 32-bit Win10 applications is NOT supported by Logos at this time (as of Jan 2020) with no plans to do so.

Perhaps with the demand for Apple silicon (that moves away from Intel chips), Logos will write for some of the newer hardware in both the MAC and PC worlds.

Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos8 on Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (Win10), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, [deprecated] Windows App, Proclaim, Faithlife.com, FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 7:37 AM

Yes I am aware that Logos does not officially support ARM devices. But I thought it might be worth asking about how the recent release of 64-bit emulation is holding up now. As I've seen on Youtube some people have been able to run 64-bit softwares via emulation on the Pro X.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 1:37 PM

Joshua, having used Surface Pro devices in the past, I would be interested in the answer to your question. Judging by the threads on the Apple M1 chips here, as soon as the Faithlife team accesses the version of the OS and their own Surface Pro X, we might learn more. Phil Gons got a Mac Mini with an M1 chip in it and provided some responses earlier in the fall.

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2020 12:09 PM

Logos Desktop needs good specs.  The Pro X chip is nowhere near the Apple M1 in performance.  To run Logos Desktop on a beta emulator on a device that reviewers call slow (except when running Edge) is not what I'd call promising.  You'd probably get the performance of the original Surface Go, at best.  An Intel Surface Pro would do better.  I'd guess that the Surface Go 2 would do better.  

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Dennis C. Davenport | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 15 2021 2:33 PM

The fact is that Logos 8 worked on my Surface Pro X initially albeit it was clunky. So I heard about the emulation software on windows insider and Logos 9 so I installed them both and now Logos won't even open. I installed another update today and a window comes up when I click on Logos for the first time with a screen that says contact the publisher.  So. Logos is out, done obsolete at this point. I am thankful for the fact I already had Wordsearch and it still works great and doesn't spend anywhere near the time updating my library as Logos does. The sad thing is that Logos now owns Wordsearch and so they might take Wordsearch down the same road as Logos making Wordsearch as useless as Logos. I am praying they leave Wordsearch alone. If you can still find a download for Wordsearch it works great of the Surface Pro X. By the way the Surface Pro X battery life, and screen along with how thin it is makes it a great machine in my opinion. I use it to teach from. Just my two cents. Blessings Dennis Davenport.

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 15 2021 11:15 PM

Thanks for the info Dennis! Real insightful! Would it be possible to show some video footage of it running logos 8? I would be very interested to see how the Pro X is holding up. Do you think the clunkiness is due to software optimization or hardware limitation? As I can tell from the available benchmarks, the Pro X at least seems to be more capable than the Surface Go 2 m3 in multicore benchmark, while slightly falling behind in single core. And the Go 2 is said to be quite a significant upgrade from Go, which I've used before, and it wasn't particularly bad as far as I can remember. So, I'm gonna assume performance should rank like this: Go<Go 2<Pro X. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 11:58 AM

Dennis C. Davenport:
I am thankful for the fact I already had Wordsearch and it still works great and doesn't spend anywhere near the time updating my library as Logos does. The sad thing is that Logos now owns Wordsearch and so they might take Wordsearch down the same road as Logos making Wordsearch as useless as Logos.

Welcome Big Smile

Concur Logos & Verbum are a resource intensive applications that benefit from gaming hardware (fast processor, fast SSD, & fast graphics).

Wordsearch FAQ => https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq includes

Can I still use my Wordsearch software? For how long?

Yes, you can continue to use your Wordsearch desktop software. It will continue to run on any computer that currently supports it for as long as you wish to run it. There will be no further developments made to the desktop software. The Wordsearch web and mobile app will continue to run, though the content available will become more limited over time.

In Jul 2019, Faithlife => ANNOUNCEMENT: End of support for Windows 7, Windows 8.1 & MacOS 10.11–10.13 included 32-bit Windows no longer being supported by Faithlife for desktop applications by the end of 2020 (hindsight: Logos 9 & Verbum 9 would be developed as x64 bit only applications for Windows 10 and macOS 10.14+).

Logos Web App => https://app.logos.com and Verbum Web App => https://app.verbum.com are usable on operating systems that are not supported for Faithlife's desktop applications.

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 12:42 PM

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-build-212921010-breaks-x64-emulation-on-arm-pcs/

Apparently there's been an update that 'broke' the emulation function. Perhaps some troubleshooting could be done to fix it. Any update would be greatly appreciated! For now I'm going to assume if it runs Logos 8, there should be no reason why it shouldn't run Logos 9, since all it takes is x64 emulation.

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 11:33 PM

Good news! As of now, Logos 9 runs on my Surface Pro X which is at Windows Insider 21318 build. It's still indexing, so while not super snappy, it is perfectly functional. 

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Ryan Vance | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 30 2021 2:22 PM

Interesting, I am running Logos 9 on my Surface Pro X running the latest Insider build and it just crashes at the splash screen. Am I missing any compatibility settings/drivers?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 30 2021 4:50 PM

Ryan Vance:

Interesting, I am running Logos 9 on my Surface Pro X running the latest Insider build and it just crashes at the splash screen. Am I missing any compatibility settings/drivers?

 You should create a new thread and post logs. See my signature line

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 31 2021 9:13 AM

That's strange. For me, it just takes a bit longer (ard 10secs) to load than say, a regular i5-10thgen. Try to check and see if you're in the dev channel or beta. AFAIK, it's the dev channel that has the emulation atm.

Btw, interestingly, the release date for the build that got my Logos 9 running in the first place, was actually quite close to me reporting the issue via Microsoft's feedback hub, like just a couple days after. Could be coincidental, or that they're really keen on improving their emulation capacity. But ultimately, we know it's providential. Stick out tongueI plunged into buying the Pro X without knowing if it'd ever run Logos because of the design and mobility. But thankfully things are looking better now. 

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Ryan Vance | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 5 2021 1:18 PM

Thanks, guys! Strangely, when I initially set up 64-bit emulation, I was on the dev channel and it wasn't working so I went into the insider settings and switched back to Beta. I switched back to dev again just now, it downloaded the latest dev build, and now works as it's supposed to.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2021 1:57 PM

I just got quoted a good cost for Surface pro x but its arm based?  i do not want Logos to crawl?  Any better on surface pro 7?

Is Logos on a Surface Pro X an unwise choice?

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2021 10:44 PM

JoshInRI:
Is Logos on a Surface Pro X an unwise choice?

At this point consider it a beta experience that is a work in progress. Probably not for the faint of heart. Give it a few more years and revisions to bake and we'll see. Logos Desktop is excellent on a Pro 7, though the touch experience could use improvement.

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Joshua | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 4 2021 5:22 AM

My Pro X is currently on the Windows 11 beta,  and I can tell the experience as a whole is getting smoother. I'm rather optimistic since I've been using it the day the emulation first worked, While it won't be as powerful as the Pro 7, if you don't mind 4-5sec delay while running multiple tabs, and would love the versatility, I'd say you probably won't regret it. As for touch optimization, that's up to Logos to decide when to get it sorted, both Pro 7 and Pro X face the same problem here. However, if you don't use a whole lot of x64 exclusive app, and can live with the gradually improving emulation, you should be happy with the Pro X. Not to mention, I don't miss Chrome at all ever since I moved to Edge due to the limited power of the Pro X. It's so power efficient with the SQ1 chip that I think the charging frequency is doubly less than my previous Pro 7.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2021 9:37 AM

Bill I briefly considered an Ipad Pro MI but have abandoned the idea.  I was told by a reliable source I need 

MAC OS BIG SUR

to future proof my upgrade or next purchase and to date I can find no portable device (except a laptop with a screen that will NOT detach) that has it.

Apple wants people to have a Macbook and some other device not roam about with a powerful tablet that replaces a computer outright.

I am returning to possibly just upgrading my Surface Pro but NOT to the X.

Post closed in my opinion.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 2:30 AM

I know Joshini has closed the thread.

I would not like the last word in it to contain something that might mislead.

JoshInRI:

I briefly considered an Ipad Pro MI but have abandoned the idea.  I was told by a reliable source I need 

MAC OS BIG SUR

to future proof my upgrade or next purchase...

iPads of whatever type, and including the iPad Pro mentioned above, run on iPadOS not MacOS. From the first iPad any updates to iPadOS (or its forerunners) have been issued as free upgrades.

Apple desktops run various flavours of MacOS (the current one being named "Big Sur") it is soon to be replaced by the next edition. For at least the last couple of decades all upgrades to MacOS have been issued as free upgrades.

Nobody should bulk at purchasing a new (or even recent) Apple product for fear of the OS becoming outdated or the cost of moving to the latest version that their unit will run.

Methinks that either the reliable source was not so reliable or that their advice has been quoted out of context.

tootle pip

Mike

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 4:37 AM

Mike Binks:

Methinks that either the reliable source was not so reliable or that their advice has been quoted out of context.

Or, that Josh decided he needed the full desktop app for his needs and not the iPad OS app that isn't full featured. 

Over the years, Josh has indicated he likes mobile devices and detachable tablets in particular. That he can't have with MacOS running Big Sur, the upcoming OS version or any other unless Apple decides to allow it to run on tablets.

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