L3 versus L4 versus L5

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Robert Wazlavek | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:08 PM

When Logos 5 comes out, do you guys think it's going to be a total overhaul to Logos 4, similar like how L4 was to L3?  In watching vids where L3 was used, I can see the visual improvement made by L4.  L4 definitely appears to be a modern day app, whereas L3 does seem a little out of date.  But this makes me wonder if a total overhaul would be necessary with L5.  Seems like L5 could easily be just a majorly improved version of L4 with a large number of issues fixed, old and missed tools added back in, completely new tools, new features in and improved usability with old tools, etc.  Any thoughts?  Anyone heard anything about what L5 might be like?  If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Libronix first created like 10+ years ago, and basically just saw improved versions using the same base until Logos 4 came out?  Do you think Logos 4 will be treated the same?

(By the way, all of this is just discussion.  I don't know much about Logos versions before 4 at all.  And I also don't have any idea or presupposition as to when I think L5 might come out.  I'm just curious to see what people think... and if any employees might chime in with a few hints, lol.)

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:19 PM

Robert, I seriously doubt that L5 will be a major overhaul, like L3 was to L4. As you said, bug fixes, new features requested, etc.. Now when you are talking L6, I think that will be the one that will cause the christian and secular world to drop their jaw.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:37 PM

I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.

Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:38 PM

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.  

The main difference seems to be the integration with the Faithlife stuff.

See https://faithlife.com/whatsnext.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:46 PM

Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.

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Robert Wazlavek | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:50 PM

DMB:

I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.

Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.

Did he give any reasons as to why?  (I can speculate, but of course that would always just be speculation.Smile)

Ben:

Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.

Yeah, like I said, just discussion.  The furthering of technology, especially as pertains to furthering the Kingdom, interests me is all.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:51 PM

Andrew Baguley:

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.  

What makes you think that is Logos 5?  It just looks to me like a single-feature mockup based on what L4 currently looks like.  Am I missing something?

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 12:58 PM

I wonder if L5 might follow Windows 8, to minimize compatibility problems.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 1:13 PM

The top of the app window says " Logos Bible Software 5". That tipped me off that it might be Logos Bible Software 5 Wink

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JC54 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 1:42 PM

For me the main reason for longing to L5 is that I hope it will include some good deals on upgrading your base package. and also some improvements in the contents of the packages. I'd love a real commentary focused package for example

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 1:56 PM

Ben:

The top of the app window says " Logos Bible Software 5". That tipped me off that it might be Logos Bible Software 5 Wink

Good catch Ben. Did not see it before.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 1:57 PM

Andrew Baguley:

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.  

As for L5, don't have a clue. But getting out my  and examining the proffered evidence; there is a conspicuous absence of my nemesis, "File" which has been replaced by Documents. I hope that this iteration will yield a smoother interaction with the rest of the lauded components of this powerful program...Amen

 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:12 PM

Beloved:
examining the proffered evidence; there is a conspicuous absence of my nemesis, "File" which has been replaced by Documents.

Good catch Beloved.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:14 PM

Hey Lynden, How life in the Bahamas?

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:18 PM

The rain has stopped, the politics continue 7 weeks after the general election, and the financial cold that the US is experiencing, is giving us Pneumonia. 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:28 PM

Yes we have much to thank God for. Do you follow Myles Munroe? His messages always stir my soul. He's a mighty man of God, with a wonderful ministry.

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Gregory Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:44 PM

Regarding new versions of Logos, if a base package was purchased for L4, will that base package transfer to L5 without having to purchase another upgrade?

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 2:55 PM

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.  I do expect L6 to be rewritten so  that it  does not use WPF (one of the main reasons why L4 is sooooooooooooooo slow).

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Robert Wazlavek | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 3:02 PM

tom collinge:

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.  I do expect L6 to be rewritten so  that it  does not use WPF (one of the main reasons why L4 is sooooooooooooooo slow).

What is WPF?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 21 2012 3:53 PM

tom collinge:
Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.

And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same.Confused I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.

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