you already have them!
Should have double checked prior to posting!
Not a problem! Let us know if you have any other titles you'd like to see!
Here is the complete list of Terri Blackstock's titles on Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/products/search?Author=Blackstock%2c+Terri
I would love to see the book, "Grace Upon Grace," by Greg Neal. I have over 7,000 books in Logos, but I will always consider my collection incomplete until this wonderful little book is included.
I would love to see the book, "Grace Upon Grace," by Greg Neal.
Your best bet might be to start by contacting the author and/or publisher. As far as I can tell, it isn't available in digital format. Until that happens, there is zero chance of it getting into Vyrso, since the conversion process is fully automated. (I guess they could try cramming the paper volume into the CD-ROM drive... [:P])
EDIT: I sent an email to the author.
Alabama, i know the author, and feel certain he would grant permission for publication. I am also certain he has the book in digital format. Does that still present a problem?
Does that still present a problem?
If it exists in digital form, that is a great start. I don't know anything about the publisher… the author may or may not be able to grant permission for the book to be released in another format. I will send Brian an email and ask him. [:)]
By the way, if you know the author, and if things don't work out through Logos/Vyrso, you might be able to secure a copy for yourself and turn it into a personal book. If you don't know how to do that, I can walk you through it.
I would love to see all of John Ortberg's books. You have a bunch; I'd like to see the rest.
I would like to see The Genesis Flood by Henry Morris and John Weldon in Logos and Vyrso.
Gary - Did you mean this instead? I think you have the wrong "John". If so, this isn't a likely "Vyrso" book... I am unsure where this volume fits with the authors other works... I know Logos has a similar work... Is it perhaps an update and extension of this one?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0875523382/
Alabama, that's the correct book. I never did find it in Logos or Vyrso.
"The Genesis Flood" isn't really a good candidate for Vyrso for a number of reasons.
I would recommend making a suggestion in the suggestions forum (or bumping an old thread if there is one).
EDIT: I did find a 50th anniversary edition, but there still doesn't seem to be an ePub version... http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Flood-50th-Anniversary-Edition/dp/159638395X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372561335&sr=8-1&keywords=The+genesis+flood
"The Genesis Flood" isn't really a good candidate for Vyrso for a number of reasons. Vyrso books are converted to the Logos format via an automated process using the publisher's ePub file... Since the book in question is apparently no longer in print and unavailable in an electronic format, its unlikely to be picked up. Vyrso resources are generally "trade" books, rather than "academic" ones. Most Vyrso books fall into fiction or "Christian living." The book by Whitcomb & Morris is more academic in nature, and would likely be "saved" for a "Logos edition" resource. I would recommend making a suggestion in the suggestions forum (or bumping an old thread if there is one).
It has been recommended before: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/10390/81908.aspx#81908
It has also been unrecommended before: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/53736/391835.aspx#391835 [;)]
Thank you for all of the suggestions! I'd love to start consolidating ebook suggestions for Vyrso into one forum thread so we can respond/investigate each request. This thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/70202/501479.aspx#501479 has a diverse list of suggestions, and should be a great home for requests in the future. Thanks!
That is a link to this very thread. Just confirming you meant that.
I would love to see books by Kathleen Norris, Annie Dillard, and Anne Lamott! I think these would all work great in Vyrso.
Correct!
Works by Dallas Willard would be great additions to Vyrso.
See this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/70104.aspx
EDIT: Some specific titles I'd like to see are listed in this thread:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/70114.aspx
Works by Dallas Willard would be great additions to Vyrso. See this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/70104.aspx EDIT: Some specific titles I'd like to see are listed in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/70114.aspx
Yes, please. [:)]
Carlo M. Martini books (many of these are brief and easy to read, published for example by Liguori, Missouri and The Word Among Us Press, Maryland). He was a Bible scholar skilled in Greek and cardinal.
Paul Johnson (1976). A History of Christianity. Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London. Excellent! ***** I have read the first chapter, covering 50 B.C. - 250 A.D. several times, and I have interest in other eras as well.
Ray Simpson (2008). A Guide for soul friends - The art of the spiritual companion. Kevin Mayhew, Suffolk, United Kingdom.
Thank you for all of the suggestions! I'd love to start consolidating ebook suggestions for Vyrso into one forum thread so we can respond/investigate each request. This thread
Thanks.
I honestly think you should get a list of new ebook resources coming out from the publishers you regularly work with, take out stuff that's not suitable for here (e.g. commentaries, bibles and stuff where Logos will produce a fully tagged resource) and offer everything else here.
Until this day comes, we'll suggest books we are most interested in. Currently for me this would be the series "Theologians on the Christian Life" by Crossway (I posted about this earlier) - I can hardly refrain from buying them at Amazon. Currently four books, making the thoughts of theological giants accessible to non-scholarly readers. The books receive stellar critiques, as I can see.
Repost for consolidation: Rosie suggested Novak: Business as a Calling in another thread.
Repost for consolidation: I suggested Gerald Bray: God is love in another thread, based upon a Suggestion .
Business as a Calling: Work and the Examined Life by Michael Novak
The Riddle of the Labyrinth: The Quest to Crack an Ancient Code
A fascinating retelling of the deciphering of the Linear B tablets from Knossos and Pylos/Mycene with special emphasis on the contribution of Alice Kober. Lots of intriguing discussion/particulars of the unknown script and the unknown language behind it and how it was finally cracked in 1952 by Michael Ventris.
I rate it ten bags of popcorn!
Published just this year.
This thread seems to have been abandoned a while ago as the consolidated place for Vyrso book suggestions. Attempting to revive it. I'm not sure that having one thread for suggestions is the best idea, though, since it's hard to find and can disappear easily. And people obviously have not been adhering to it.
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Just found out about Tim Suttle from this article by him that a friend of mine who attends his church posted on Facebook. I liked the article so much that I looked up the books by him mentioned in his bio at the bottom of the article. I see that Vyrso is already offering a pre-order of one of them (Shrink: Faithful Ministry in a Church-Growth Culture). I'd like to suggest the other two:
Thanks for reviving this thread! We'll see what we can do to develop relationships with these publishers.
Logos already has a relationship with Cascade/Wipf & Stock, which is the publisher of the first of those.
You are correct about the established relationship with Cascade/Wipf & Stock. I was referring to the other books/publishers referenced previously, and our goal to keep working with Wipf & Stock to get as many of their books into Vyrso/Logos as possible.
Here's another suggestion for Vyrso:
Gordon T. Smith, Called to Be Saints: An Invitation to Christian Maturity (IVP Academic, 2014). It's got enough footnotes with references to other works that might be in Logos, that it might be one to eventually convert to Logos format. But I think it could very well start out as a Vyrso book. It's available in Kindle already. Looking forward to the day when there is no delay between a book being released on Amazon.com and it being available on Vyrso.com.
Looking forward to the day when there is no delay between a book being released on Amazon.com and it being available on Vyrso.com.
That is already true for many titles... But not for ones designated for Logos. I have suggested a number of times that Logos should release some works on Vyrso (at a higher price point) that serves as a "pre-pub" price for books designated for Logos. It would provide immediate access to new, important works, and ensure that the right kinds of resources end up in Logos.
I have suggested a number of times that Logos should release some works on Vyrso (at a higher price point) that serves as a "pre-pub" price for books designated for Logos. It would provide immediate access to new, important works, and ensure that the right kinds of resources end up in Logos.
That's a great idea!
I have them every now and then. At least twice a day, like a broken clock. [:D]
John Allen: The Global War on Christians: Dispatches from the Front Lines of Anti-Christian Persecution
This should sell pretty well, I would think, if you get it while it is still fairly new.
Is there a reason you still have no books from Ignatius Press in Vyrso, although you have a good relationship with them for Logos? Is it meaningful to suggest books from them here?
Great question fgh! Thus far Bob has wanted to avoid putting Catholic books into Vyrso. However, you are more than welcome to make suggestions!
Thus far Bob has wanted to avoid putting Catholic books into Vyrso.
Now, that's what I call an interesting piece of information! Perhaps you can also [ask Bob to] tell me why exactly I should support a company that consistently treats Catholics similar to Blacks in the South in the 50-ies? Good enough to earn money on, but not good enough to be let in through the front door and treated as equals. Not good enough for Vyrso. Not good enough for a Catholic subforum. Not good enough for the Catholic base packages or the Verbum website to be findable from logos.com. Hidden away out of sight, like something you're ashamed of.
Besides, I've got news for you and Bob: you already have Catholic books in Vyrso. Not many, but you do have them. You even made a Catholic writer Author of the Month once. Or have you forgotten that Brennan Manning's Catholic?
The thread that made me ask the question was More Ignatius Press Books, Please. Some of the books there would be good for Vyrso. But perhaps I should make a list of Catholic books to remove from Vyrso instead, so they don't hurt anyone's eyes or infect the other books somehow?
Or have you forgotten that Brennan Manning's Catholic?
The Brennan Manning sale was a direct response from Dan Pritchett to an email request I sent to commemorate Manning's passing.
If we are going to ban books from Vyrso let us start with the "Amish Romances."
Brennan Manning was Author of the Month in July 2012:
He didn't die until April 2013.
Thus no connection whatsoever.
He didn't die until April 2013. Thus no connection whatsoever
Thus no connection whatsoever
I am unaware of the "Author of the Month" details but I guarantee you Logos had a sale when Manning passed. (And I had requested Dan to create such a sale.) I made no claims to the Author of the Month accolades.
I made no claims to the Author of the Month accolades.
You sure sounded like you did:
You even made a Catholic writer Author of the Month once. Or have you forgotten that Brennan Manning's Catholic?
Thus far Bob has wanted to avoid putting Catholic books into Vyrso. However, you are more than welcome to make suggestions!
Allowing that Bob doesn't want to put (more) Catholic books in Vyrso, Brian, could we please have a forum to make suggestions for Catholic books in Logos? If we had such a forum, our suggestions would seem much more welcome, among other (important) things.
Brian, could we please have a forum to make suggestions for Catholic books in Logos?
There has always been such a forum. It is called the SUGGESTIONS forum... EDIT: I just noticed that there are sub forums for various other groups. There should be one for Verbum resources.
fgh: I don't think any offense was meant, and YES, there are some Catholic resources in Vyrso. I personally don't mind having a wider demographic, but with a few exceptions, Vyrso has really always been the ebook version of the "local american, 'broadly evangelical' book store".
Yup, and most suggestions that go in the Suggestions forum feel like they are going into a black hole, because there is no product specialist assigned to respond to people's suggestions there. We are told that they all get logged in some big spreadsheet in the sky, or rather in Logos HQ, from which point the process is totally opaque to us. Maybe they track how many times each title is requested and wait until they are popular enough before going to bat with the publishers for them. Or maybe they wait until they have a sufficient number of titles from a given publisher to make a case for starting up a relationship with said publisher. We have no idea.
At least with the denomination-specific forums there is someone paying direct attention to the suggestions, and often giving us back encouraging replies such as "Good idea" or "I'm working on it" or "you might want to keep your eyes on pre-pub; hint, hint. [;)]"
Since there is a Catholic Product Manager, it makes total sense for there to be a Catholic Products suggestion forum, like with the other groups with product mangers that have subforums. I see no reason to intentionally exclude Catholic as a forum name, unless they're worried that it might be offputting to anti-Catholic Protestants visiting forums.logos.com. However, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's because they simply haven't yet seen all our multiple requests for a Catholic sub-forum. How loud do we need to shout?
If they are worried about it, just call it the Verbum forum. [;)]
Great question fgh! Thus far Bob has wanted...
I apologize for the confusion. Brian works remotely and we haven't discussed this in a very long time -- I don't even recall the details of the conversation.
My position is -- and has been for a long time -- that we want to offer lots of books from a wide range of perspectives. Clearly we offer works by both protestant and Catholic authors; I was also the person to initiate and push for Noet, which offers books outside of religion as well.
I'm pro-lots-of-books.
My only concern about what books are sold where is 'the collective you.' Many users have expressed a desire to see more labels on books so they know what perspective an author is likely taking, which tradition its from, etc. Some of you want to read widely and don't mind everything served in one place, and others care a lot about 'putting stuff on the right shelf.' That's why we have Logos, Vyrso, Verbum, Noet, and (now) many denominational base packages -- to 'shelve' the books by categories. (Of denomination and even type -- Logos/Vyrso.)
Part of the segmentation is based on market demands; part is based on market size. We used to sell Catholic material at Logos.com when we had small sales in that category. When we had more we could afford to build a custom site, brand, etc. We did that because BOTH protestant and Catholic customers asked us to provide clarity in which books reflected which traditions. In the same way we have some other denominational packages at Logos.com that don't have their own site now, but might in the future. (The same is true for languages, for example, with Spanish having more support and French/German/etc. just a few pages -- for now.)
This is always in flux, always changing, and always reflects YOU, the customers: what you tell us about the labels/segmentation you (collectively) want, and what YOU tell us about how much we can invest in this based on your (collective) investment. Please don't read anything into today's segments / web pages / brands other than "this is what we have to offer today." There's no big scandal here, and no plan to hide/ignore a certain set of books. There's just the slow development of our sites, our brands, our publisher relationships, our market, etc.
-- Bob
I apologize for the confusion. Brian works remotely and we haven't discussed this in a very long time -- I don't even recall the details of the conversation. My position is -- and has been for a long time -- that we want to offer lots of books from a wide range of perspectives. Clearly we offer works by both protestant and Catholic authors; I was also the person to initiate and push for Noet, which offers books outside of religion as well. I'm pro-lots-of-books. My only concern about what books are sold where is 'the collective you.' Many users have expressed a desire to see more labels on books so they know what perspective an author is likely taking, which tradition its from, etc. Some of you want to read widely and don't mind everything served in one place, and others care a lot about 'putting stuff on the right shelf.' That's why we have Logos, Vyrso, Verbum, Noet, and (now) many denominational base packages -- to 'shelve' the books by categories. (Of denomination and even type -- Logos/Vyrso.) Part of the segmentation is based on market demands; part is based on market size. We used to sell Catholic material at Logos.com when we had small sales in that category. When we had more we could afford to build a custom site, brand, etc. We did that because BOTH protestant and Catholic customers asked us to provide clarity in which books reflected which traditions. In the same way we have some other denominational packages at Logos.com that don't have their own site now, but might in the future. (The same is true for languages, for example, with Spanish having more support and French/German/etc. just a few pages -- for now.) This is always in flux, always changing, and always reflects YOU, the customers: what you tell us about the labels/segmentation you (collectively) want, and what YOU tell us about how much we can invest in this based on your (collective) investment. Please don't read anything into today's segments / web pages / brands other than "this is what we have to offer today." There's no big scandal here, and no plan to hide/ignore a certain set of books. There's just the slow development of our sites, our brands, our publisher relationships, our market, etc.
Bob, thank you for the thorough and honest reply.
Can you answer the other question that's been running along in parallel, as to why there is no subforum for suggesting Catholic/Verbum resources, when there are such sub-forums for Anglican, Lutheran, Reformed, Orthodox, Pentecostal/Charismatic, and SDA, and Vyrso and Noet: i.e., all the product categories that have Product Managers? Could there please be one added for Catholic too, since there's a Catholic product manager, and we otherwise have no way to get his attention when we're making resource suggestions? Thanks!
Yup, and most suggestions that go in the Suggestions forum feel like they are going into a black hole, because there is no product specialist assigned to respond to people's suggestions there.
I'm sorry it feels that way; it isn't true. Someone reads all those suggestions and logs them.
Licensing is complicated and involves people more than process. When you request Red Book, we don't just hop on the phone with publisher of Red Book and say "send a license!" That publisher may have recently told us "We're hiring a new permissions manager; let's talk in July." Or we may have a sit-down meeting scheduled for ICRS (International Christian Retail Show) in a month or two, and believe it would be more productive to arrive there with a list of 20 titles we want to license than to send 20 emails on 20 different days, filling their inbox and creating extra work.
The job of reading the suggest forum and logging suggestions is essentially a clerical task. The person doing it doesn't know the status of the discussions / contract negotiations / etc. with the publisher. To find out, for each request, would take a very significant amount of time on their part and on the part of the multiple publisher-relations reps -- time I'd rather they spend talking to publishers.
Like so many of the "Why won't you give us status updates?!?!" questions over the years, the answer here is because it take a lot of time away from the actual work you want done. And, on top of that, it's a negotiation process (terms, royalty rates, author feelings, etc.), and negotiations often don't work as well if there's a public audience getting blow-by-blow updates.
We are told that they all get logged in some big spreadsheet in the sky, or rather in Logos HQ, from which point the process is totally opaque to us.
True.
Maybe they track how many times each title is requested and wait until they are popular enough before going to bat with the publishers for them. Or maybe they wait until they have a sufficient number of titles from a given publisher to make a case for starting up a relationship with said publisher.
Both of these are true, though even one request can be enough. But lots of requests goes higher on the list.
We have no idea.
Now you do. :-)
as to why there is no subforum for suggesting Catholic/Verbum resources
I have no idea. I sent an email asking that we make one.
I have some vague recollection that we talked about this early on and thought that since the Verbum app and site mirrored the Logos app/site there was no reason to have a separate forum: a question about 'how does resource priority work?' in the Verbum forum would be useful to people in the Logos General forum, and we'd just be duplicating/separating relevant answers. But that thinking was before the new denominational base packages, and there's no reason we can't do it now. (I also feel like we thought we'd eventually just have Verbum forums -- since Verbum has its own top level site -- but we lost our forum developer, which slowed forums work down, and the big Verbum.com launch took longer than planned, which we wanted to do first and just got up recently....
In other words, this isn't a 'won't do it' but more of a 'didn't get to it / hadn't thought about it again recently'... but we're on it now.
Thank you for stepping in and clarifying your position. I do appreciate the breadth of what you wish to carry. However, I still suspect one minor misjudgment of the market on your part.
We did that because BOTH protestant and Catholic customers asked us to provide clarity in which books reflected which traditions.
There is a group of Catholics who requested identification of their resources - they tended to represent the more conservative side of the Church with little recognition of the Eastern rites. As such, they represent a small slice of your potential market. It is also true that there is a group of Protestants who are very concerned about keeping Logos "orthodox" in the sense of having Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses ... etc. clearly identified. This ia a sufficiently large market share that you are correct in trying to meet their concerns. Where I believe you went awry was in assuming that the "middle way" semi-protestant groups (Anglican and Lutheran) associate themselves more with the Logos side than the Verbum side. While there are many Orthodox who identify themselves as "NOT Catholic", they tend to be comfortable with the Anglicans - or at least the high Anglicans. I therefore believe that if you listen to your market, the major division is what I call ACELO (Anglican-Catholic-Eastern Orthodox-Lutheran-Oriental Orthodox) vs. the rest of Christianity or loosely speaking, liturgical vs. nonliturgical churches. Yes, there are a number of individuals and churches that would still be in the gray area between Logos and Verbum but suspicions of prejudice would be minimized.
ACELO churches common features:
See why they belong together? Together they represent 31.5% percent of Americans or 1,746,000,000 people world-wide
That makes sense.
Thanks. That usually ensures that something will get done.
