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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 8:29 AM

It is "in the progress" of becoming a part of Logos, but my objection is that the progress is painstakingly slow.  It's been languishing in community pricing for years now!  It should be a part of the standard packages by now.  If it's going to be up to Logos users to have it made available, then it's understandably not going to get much traction.  The majority of users are clearly in the Reformed camp so that leaves great material like the Adam Clarke Commentary on the outside looking in.  A catch-22, almost.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 8:32 AM

It is up to the users to make it happen - as with any title.

Perhaps its time to do some evangelism for Logos amoungst your peers?

Logos is not of the perspective of "if we build it they will come" they are more "if they come, we will build it".

Also I don't agree that there are MORE reformed users. I maintain that they are one of the bigger, but still not as largely represented as some of the other groups.

The more vocal a group is, however, the more of their resources end up on pre-pub. ;)

The thing that surprised me is that there are more SDA users than Pentecostals (if sheer post count is any indicator). Further they have nearly as much activity as the reformed camp.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 8:43 AM

I hear ya.  I really do.  I've tried to do a little recruiting, but I'm nothing close to a salesman at heart.  But I do try to make my voice heard (I often feel like a lone voice here) on the matter. 

I'm not convinced that Reformed theology isn't the majority here though.  Just looking at what's offered, it's hard for me to agree with you.  If I were a die-hard Calvinist, I'd love Logos and never feel the need to use any other bible software.  As a Pentecostal, I have to use other software to get everything I need.  I wish it weren't so.  I'd love to use Logos exclusively.  But I'm forced to use others in order to get my full range of study in while on the computer. 

Sigh...

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 8:48 AM

Gary Osborne:
It's been languishing in community pricing for years now

Perhaps that one would benefit from being split into a couple different packages so that it's not such a huge buy in.

(Currently a Southern Baptist that grew up in Pentecostal / Congregational Holiness churches, and far too ignorant to be too hard and fast on some of these issues.)

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Gabe Martini (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 9:05 AM

Logos certainly has a large number of Reformed or Calvinist works, and that is definitely a large part of our current audience.

However, we are fully committed to expanding that audience to embrace other Christian perspectives. A little of it is 'chicken or the egg,' but we are working to both build products for those audiences, as well as reach out to them and ask them to join us in the Logos family.

I can speak from personal experience, as a non-Reformed Logos employee (and user), that there's a commitment there from Bob and others, and we're pushing ahead as best we can.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 9:18 AM

Gabe Martini:

Logos certainly has a large number of Reformed or Calvinist works, and that is definitely a large part of our current audience.

However, we are fully committed to expanding that audience to embrace other Christian perspectives. A little of it is 'chicken or the egg,' but we are working to both build products for those audiences, as well as reach out to them and ask them to join us in the Logos family.

I can speak from personal experience, as a non-Reformed Logos employee (and user), that there's a commitment there from Bob and others, and we're pushing ahead as best we can.

Thanks, Gabe.  I hope I didn't give the impression that I think Logos itself doesn't want to carry more Pentecostal materials.  I know better.  Bob P has been kind enough to contact me himself (I was blown away the night I opened my email and found one from him) when he read one of my posts on the forum some time back.  So I know you folks at Logos have no biases at all.  I've always seen it as being about the customers and where the majority of them are, theologically.  If there are more Reformed folks out there in Logos willing to spend their money then Logos is going to naturally carry more Reformed resources.  That's just basic supply and demand business.  As a non-Reformed, Pentecostal user I get frustrated because I know that by myself I can't "carry the day", so to speak, and create enough demand for the material I'd like to see.  There's nothing I can really do about it except encourage other Pentecostals to buy Logos (which I do) and then just sit back and wait to see what happens with new releases.  Other than that, I feel I'm pretty powerless to change the percentage output of resources to include more Pentecostal/Arminian-Weslyan material.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 18 2014 9:59 AM

Gary Osborne:
I feel Logos needs to do some serious work to catch up to rival bible software companies that offer better Pentecostal material overall. 

No argument from me on that.

However, in addition to bringing this to Logos' attention, why not also write Pentecostal publishing companies, and ask them to negotiate a contract with Logos. Logos cannot publish anything along these lines without partnering with such publishers.

For publishers that already work with Logos (Zondervan, e.g.), it's most helpful to suggest specific titles in the suggestion forum (don't worry if no one from Logos responds there, all book suggestions are looked at and considered.)

Finally, and this is also essential, get your fellow Pentecostals to bid on Pre-Pubs. For example the Kris Vallotton collection has been stuck in pre-pub for almost a year (not sure what you think of him or Bethel, Redding, but...). There are others. I'm assuming some of these are test-marketing attempts to gauge interest.

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Dave Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 4 2014 5:15 PM

The Works of Adam Clarke are available on our website.  The Adam Clarke Commentaries used to be available, either separately or in a collection with Wesley's commentaries.  The observation that they are not currently showing is probably due to some issues in updating the licensing for these.  The Publishing Dept. can probably give a better clarification.

We really appreciate suggestions of titles, especially when annotated briefly as to their perceived value/contribution.  We tried ardently to get more suggestions from faculty at pentecostal schools but got very limited suggestions, probably due to their busy schedules.  But we begged for input from faculty from several schools trying to identify the works they prefer their students to have.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 4 2014 8:06 PM

[quote user="Gabe Martini"]

Hi Gary,

We are currently working to hire a full-time Pentecostal/Charismatic Product Manager, who can devote 100% of their time to those efforts.

As soon as that occurs, you will notice a significant increase in activity both on the forums and on our Pre-pub and Community Pricing pages. We want experts in each area to manage those resources, and so any lull is due to waiting to get the best person on board to take the reins.

Thank you for being patient!

[/quote]

This is good news.Thank you Gabe.

Blessings in Christ.

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Nick Cliborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 10 2015 12:07 PM

Did we ever get a full time product manager?

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2015 9:52 PM

Nick Cliborne:

Did we ever get a full time product manager?

Sadly, it doesn't look like it.  It's been what...?  A year or more since we've had one?  And the guy that was doing it before - God bless his soul - didn't really seem to get a lot done for the product.  Frankly, any product manager for this section that can't immediately deliver on the most basic of basic resources (both of which have been available via competitors for years now) isn't doing his/her job, imho.  What resources am I speaking of? 

Fire Bible notes/articles

Life in the Spirit NT Commentary

Both those are as standard to Pentecostal/Charismatic resources as Calvin's Commentaries would be to a Reformed Package.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2015 8:37 AM

Gary Osborne:

Fire Bible notes/articles

Life in the Spirit NT Commentary

Have you written to the publishers of those resources suggesting they partner with Logos? Logos can't publish without willing partners. (This is something I do for resources I'd really like to see in Logos, along with putting the suggestion in the "Suggestions" forum here, of course - or joining others who have suggested them.)

As for Logos finding someone to head up this area, you and I have no idea how they've pursued this (or haven't). It's my understanding that they have been, though we've not had any recent info from them on this. It would be nice to know what's happening.

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Don | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2015 9:00 AM

There is a fair amount of Adam Clarke (including his commentary).

https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=Adam+Clarke&Author=117%7cAdam+Clarke&redirecttoauthor=true 

The Works of Adam Clarke (24 vols.) contains Adam Clarke’s magna opus, the unabridged Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments. This six-volume commentary on the Bible took Clarke forty years to complete, and was a primary theological resource for Methodists for almost two centuries. Still widely referenced today, the nearly six-thousand page commentary set is even more accessible with the power of Logos Bible Software.

Also included in The Works of Adam Clarke (24 vols.) is Christian Theology, The Preacher's Manual, A Concise View of the Succession of Sacred Literature, and the three-volume Discourses on Various Subjects Relative to the Being and Attributes of God, which together, contain the sum of Clark's essays, letters, sermons, grammars, and addresses. In addition, The Works of Adam Clarke (24 vols.) includes Clarke’s six-volume Bibliographical Dictionary with the supplementary two-volume Bibliographical Miscellany, and Memoirs of the Wesley Family, Clarke’s memories and research on his mentors, John and Charles Wesley, and their family history.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 20 2015 9:24 AM

Yes, we do now finally have the Adam Clarke Commentary.  And that was my third most requested and important resource.  Having said that, the two primary resources that are thoroughly Pentecostal are the Fire Bible (aka Life in the Spirit; Full Life Study Bible) and the Full Life Bible Commentary on the NT.  These are essentials that I've asked for since day one of signing up with Logos.  They are owned by both Zondervan and Hendrickson.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 5:14 PM

One down (Clarke's Commentary), but we desperately need the Full Life Study Bible (aka Fire Bible) notes and articles.  It's really indispensable for Pentecostal research, imho.  Please release this resource asap, Logos.  :)

Gary Osborne:

Two things I'll point out:

1) There's no doubt in my mind that Logos suffers from a lack of standard, well known Arminian/Pentecostal works.  This is in stark contrast to the material they offer from Calvinistic/Reformed streams of thought.  Here are three of the big name benchmark works offered by other bible software companies that Logos doesn't carry right now:

Adam Clarke's Commentary

Full Life Study Bible (aka Fire Bible)

Full Life Commentary on the New Testament

For the life of me I can't understand why Logos doesn't have all three of these available - right now.  Can you imagine how Reformed folks would feel if Logos didn't have Calvin's Commentaries at this point in the game?  Or the works of Spurgeon?  We'd all say that would be "insane", yet this is what's happening on our side of the theological fence right now.  Some standard works are not available, and it just boggles my mind.

2) I agree that there will probably never be as many scholarly works in Pentecostal theology as Reformed, or Baptist, etc.  But don't think there isn't a lot of material out there to be mined, so to speak.  There is.  And much of it is more scholarly than you might think.  There are several periodicals, like the Pneuma Review and Paraclete that are fabulous resources that would benefit everyone in Logos.  And there are many books and papers that would greatly enhance the Pentecostal section in Logos.  So don't think there isn't material available.  There is.  We just need Logos to take more of an interest.

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 30 2015 5:34 PM

Yes

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Robyn VH. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 31 2015 8:48 PM

Yes

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 16 2015 10:01 PM

Hello folks!

I've been working on a few Pentecostal-Charismatic products lately. My team recently posted a key collection from holiness-pentecostal pioneer A.B. Simpson.

https://www.logos.com/product/53619/life-and-select-works-of-ab-simpson

More to come!

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 17 2015 5:30 AM

Great to hear!  Thank you for the update and multiple postings to get our attention.  I just upped my bid on AB Simpson because of it.

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Matthew Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 17 2015 6:06 PM

Here's a couple more important (and recent) Pre-Pubs from Gordon Fee.

https://www.logos.com/product/54190/select-works-of-gordon-d-fee (posted today)

https://www.logos.com/product/53643/listening-to-the-spirit-in-the-text

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