Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 8 Base Packages)

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 9:12 AM

Another observation: Since adding your collections, I cannot find your name anymore in the author's list. Hmm

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 9:46 AM

Armin:
Based on the steps that I took to download these docs, it seems to imply that the docs become my documents. However, they don't show up when I go to "Docs" & "Yours". Is this intended? How can I find out which documents I downloaded?

Documents should normally be shown in "Yours" once you download them. However, Collections are an exception, because they're not really documents. They should show up instead in the Collections tool.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 9:52 AM

I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 10:19 AM

danwdoo:
I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.

If you deleted ones that I shared directly, it's possible there may be a bug. It appears as though Logos thinks you've downloaded them already, and therefore prevents you from seeing them in the Tool (probably because they're still in "Deleted".

I think Faithlife will need to comment on this. I'll file a bug report.

PS - The note in the Collections group was intended to suggest you delete ones that had previously been shared in the Collections Group. They were my rules, but had been shared by another user (with my agreement), and weren't being kept up to date. Deleting those certainly shouldn't have prevented you from seeing mine in the documents menu.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2018 10:52 AM

danwdoo:

I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.

I believe this is a bug. Also without deleting them, I can no longer find them in the list of public collections.

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 2:03 PM

Many many thanks Mark

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 3:56 PM

Armin:
I believe this is a bug
 

I have similar problems which have to be a bug as this cannot be intended behaviour.

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2018 10:57 PM

It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections.  They both are of Bible Notes type.

I certainly employ them like commentaries when I am looking for comments on Biblical text.  In fact, in one of my synthetic searches that I employed in order to prioritize commentaries, the Faithlife Study Bible fell into the top three on my synthetic topic.

In my reading I was taken aback reading that David had images in his rooms which Michal was able to use to make it look like he was in his bed, ESV 1 SAM 19:13.  The commentary I had open simply explained that the "image" was the representation of a pagan god, but did not note that it seemed to be out of place in David's living quarters and that it harked back to the bad influence of Michal on David's spiritual standing.  I decided to examine all of the commentary resources in my current library to see who pointed out this discrepancy.  Very few even blinked.  Most didn't even mention the image, at all.  The FSB was one of the few which put flesh on the story.

So should the Collections be adjusted, or should I just add the study Bibles in manually?  Of the resources in my Library of Type:"Bible Notes", The Lexham SYNTACTIC GREEK NEW TESTAMENT entries are the only ones I would manually delete.  The rest are normal study Bibles.

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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2018 4:12 AM

David A Egolf:

It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections.  They both are of Bible Notes type.

This is my "Study Bible" collection:

type:"bible notes" AND title:("study bible","reference bible","geneva bible: notes","net bible","evidence bible","life principles")

"reference bible" finds: Scofield Reference Bible
"net bible" finds: The NET Bible First Edition Notes
"evidence bible" finds: The Evidence Bible
"life principles" finds: Life Principles Bible

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 12:35 AM

David A Egolf:
So should the Collections be adjusted, or should I just add the study Bibles in manually? 

The collections include a rule for a tag e.g. {MyTag "commentary-one-volume"}, so I would apply the appropriate tag to the study bibles.

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 1:10 AM

Thanks Mark for the commentary collections. I've found them very useful. I have even created multiple groups of them, after having rated commentaries by 3, 4 or 5 stars. By adding a ratings filter to the end of the collection rules, I have arranged into groups of Best ( AND rating:=5), Good ( AND rating:=4) and other ( AND rating:<4). That way, I see the best technical, intermediate, expository collections of commentaries at the top of my passage guide, and the good ones further down, then other collections. I had them grouped by best, good, etc beforehand, but adding your collection rules for some time now it has been much easier to go to the best and most appropriate commentaries for Bible study. The list of collections is longer, but I find it very helpful. I mention this in case this might be of interest to anyone else too. Thanks again. 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 6:49 AM

John Duffy:
I've found them very useful. I have even created multiple groups of them, after having rated commentaries by 3, 4 or 5 stars. By adding a ratings filter to the end of the collection rules, I have arranged into groups of Best ( AND rating:=5), Good ( AND rating:=4) and other ( AND rating:<4)

I agree that it's great to have smaller-collections for your favourite technical commentaries, etc. But let me suggest an alternative method.

Instead of adding (AND rating:=5) to the end of the rule, create an additional collection with the simple rule: rating:<5. You can call that ("Not favourites" or something". Now create a new collection called "Favourite Technical Commentaries". In the Plus these resources section, add your Technical Commentaries collection. In the Minus these Resouces add in the Not Favourites collection.

This method has the following advantages:

  1. When the collection rules change, you only have to update them in one place.
  2. The "Favourite XXX Commentaries" collections have no rules, and only depend on collections that have already been cached, so they're quicker.
  3. It's quicker to drag/drop collections into Plus/Minus these resources than it is to copy, paste and modify the rules.

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 9:58 AM

Mark Barnes:

I agree that it's great to have smaller-collections for your favourite technical commentaries, etc. But let me suggest an alternative method.

Instead of adding (AND rating:=5) to the end of the rule, create an additional collection with the simple rule: rating:<5. You can call that ("Not favourites" or something". Now create a new collection called "Favourite Technical Commentaries". In the Plus these resources section, add your Technical Commentaries collection. In the Minus these Resouces add in the Not Favourites collection.

Hi Mark,

That's a great idea. Thanks for that. That'll save a bit of time updating them from time to time.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 11 2018 8:40 AM

David A Egolf:
It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections.  They both are of Bible Notes type.

I exclude anything that's not of type:commentary.

I do have a Study Bible collection that I use personally, but haven't shared. I've made a few alterations to make it shareable. It's:

type:"bible notes" AND subject:bible ANDNOT ({Series "The Numerical Bible"} OR {Author "Owens, John Joseph","Roffens, Samuel","Barnard, P. Mordaunt","Robinson, H. Wheeler","Burkitt, F. Crawford","Dubis, Mark"})

I'll add it to the first post and share it if others find it works for them. (The author exclusions just seemed like the best way to exclude various "not really a study Bible" resources, partly because the title field isn't supported with the new syntax.)

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 13 2018 11:11 PM

I just updated to L8 SR2 and still am unable to find Mark's collections after deleting them all. Has this been an acknowledged bug, or is there some kind of cleanup procedure than I need to do in order to 'flush' the system to get everything to show back up?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 12:36 AM

danwdoo:

I just updated to L8 SR2 and still am unable to find Mark's collections after deleting them all. Has this been an acknowledged bug, or is there some kind of cleanup procedure than I need to do in order to 'flush' the system to get everything to show back up?

Yes, it's an acknowledged bug: Previously deleted shared collections can't be re-downloaded

You can undelete the collections from https://documents.logos.com/ 

You may then get an option to updated the collections to the latest version from within Logos or on the documents site. I'd be glad to hear whether that works for you.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2018 6:57 AM

Thanks for letting me know. I don't mind waiting for a fix, I just wanted to make sure it is eventually coming.

I'll check to see if any updated ones show up.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 7:10 PM

Bug report:

"The New International Greek Testament Commentary: Expanded Paraphrase of 2 Corinthians" should be in "Commentaries (Technical)".

By the way, are there any better way for the community to contribute to a public document? It will be nice if I can edit it and submit a "merge request" rather than relying the original author to do it manually.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 2:10 PM

edit: Forget this, it already is.

Bug report:

"The New Bible Commentary" should be in "Commentaries (One Volume)"

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 2:18 PM

Also, it is quite common to have 2 volume commentaries, 1 for OT, 1 for NT.

Literally they aren't "One Volume Commentaries", but in practice there aren't too much difference between them (i.e. they made an effort to reduce things to 1 vol., just per testament or per bible.)

Would you consider regarding them as "Commentaries (One Volume)", or perhaps add a new "Commentaries (Two Volumes)"?

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