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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2014 9:55 PM

What is it?

"Milestones" are how Logos resources are organized; if you type a reference into the reference box (at the top-left of a resource panel), you're navigating to that milestone within the resource. Logos 6 introduces "{Milestone <Reference>}" search syntax to find these milestones in search results.

How does it work?

While <John 3:16> finds all references to John 3:16, {Milestone <John 3:16>} finds all instances of John 3:16; these could be that verse in a Bible, or a discussion of that verse in a commentary. (This search basically returns the same results as the Commentaries section in the Passage Guide.)

You can use any reference supported by the resources in your library; for example, {Milestone <ApostolicFathers I Clement 1>} finds all texts that include 1 Clem 1.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:11 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
While <John 3:16> finds all references to John 3:16{Milestone <John 3:16>} finds all instances of John 3:16; these could be that verse in a Bible, or a discussion of that verse in a commentary.

I have to confess that I don't understand the difference. Are "all instances" a superset of "all references"? If so, what distinguishes an "instance" from a "reference"?

Thanks,

Donnie

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Jeff Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:16 AM

"Instances" are what "references" are referring to.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:16 AM

Donnie Hale:
an "instance"

An "instance" is where a particular verse (etc) appears - such as a particular verse in a Bible

Donnie Hale:
a "reference"?

A "reference" is where that particular verse (etc) is referred to elsewhere.

So if "John 1:1" appeared in a paragraph in a monograph this is a reference and would be picked up when running a search for <John 1:1>

But it isn't actually John 1:1 and so wouldn't be returned in a Milestone search.

Does this help?

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:18 AM

Jeff Jackson:
"Instances" are what "references" are referring to.

Doesn't help. Sorry.

Can you give a specific example? Something that a citation search in prior versions wouldn't find that a milestone would, and how it's helpful? I'm pushing on this because I use citation searches a lot - it's one of my favorite features. This explanation hasn't yet penetrated my aging brain.

Thanks again,

Donnie

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Donnie Hale:
I have to confess that I don't understand the difference. Are "all instances" a superset of "all references"? If so, what distinguishes an "instance" from a "reference"?

"In John 3:16, John discusses..." is a reference to John 3:16. "For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.

These two searches find two different types of texts. Try clicking the links in my original post and observing the difference.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:22 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
"For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.

You're saying that an "instance" is the text itself, a full (or partial?) quotation of what is referenced? And thus a milestone search finds such texts, even if the reference isn't mentioned within the context (if it were, a citation search would have found it)?

Thanks,

Donnie

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Here's the difference:

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 27 2014 7:33 AM

Donnie Hale:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
"For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.

You're saying that an "instance" is the text itself, a full (or partial?) quotation of what is referenced? And thus a milestone search finds such texts, even if the reference isn't mentioned within the context (if it were, a citation search would have found it)?

A "Milestone" is like an address. In a book that is indexed by Scripture reference (such as a commentary), you can jump to a milestone by typing the reference (e.g., John 3:16) into the reference box.

A "Reference" (in the context of searching) is a mention of a verse reference ("John 3:16") somewhere in the text.

So if you search for Milestone John 3:16 you're going to find not only John 3:16 in all your Bibles but also the places where John 3:16 is the "address" of what's found there (e.g., commentaries).

If you search for John 3:16 as a Reference, you're going to find all the places that mention the book, chapter, verse number (in any way that Logos recognizes as a legitimate Scripture reference: e.g. John 3:16, or Jn 3:16, or John 3.16, etc.). This will not include Bibles, because Bibles never mention the references, they only have the text that appears at that "address".

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 28 2014 3:40 AM

I do not have the milestone unlocked. When clicking on Bradley example (which launches Logos) I get a regular search. What am I doing wrong?

Everything ever written in Religion and Theology formatted for Logos Bible Software.Logos Youtube Channel

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 28 2014 3:46 AM

Here is what I am seeing:

Missing is the Everything Selection as per Bradley's post. Was it changed to all resources?

Everything ever written in Religion and Theology formatted for Logos Bible Software.Logos Youtube Channel

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 28 2014 4:17 AM

Lynden Williams:
Missing is the Everything Selection as per Bradley's post. Was it changed to all resources?

Bradley's post has "Entire Library" - and it does look as though this is now shown as "All Resources"

Apart from that you seem to be getting the expected results.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 2 2014 6:58 PM

I have been using this feature along with "inline searching" in WBC, which is a very frustrating commentary to find stuff.....works great!

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 2 2014 10:13 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 1:17 AM

Gary Butner:

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 11:34 AM

Mark Barnes:

Gary Butner:

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

It appears to me Milestone allows the user to restrict his search to the one open resource, instead of searching all resources in the library, correct?

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Bob Soule | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 1:28 PM

Gary Butner:

Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?

No it doesn't restrict to individual resources but you certainly could if you wanted. The key for me was Bradley's example:

For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16. An instance for the milestone search is the text itself or text that is discussing the verse.

Consider the following search from the resource "the bible guide:

and compare this with a reference search in the same resource.

Does this help any?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 2:12 PM

Gary Butner:
It appears to me Milestone allows the user to restrict his search to the one open resource, instead of searching all resources in the library, correct?

As Bob says, that's not correct.

Let me give you an example that's I've just used for tonight's study. I was speaking about angels, and I wanted to say a little something about guardian angels. I was particularly interested in what commentators said about guardian angels in relation to Matthew 18:10 ("in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father").

So, I searched for "guardian angel" WITHIN {Milestone <Matt 18:10>}. That looks for the phrase "guardian angel", but in the part of commentaries/bible that are dealing with Matthew 18:10. It excludes commentaries on Matthew 18:10 that don't discuss guardian angels, and it excludes books that speak about guardian angels in other contexts. It got me instantly to exactly what I wanted.

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Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 2:33 PM

That's great Mark. So the benefit is: greater precision?

How is this search different from: 

<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 2:40 PM

Ron Corbett:
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"

This searches for where that particular verse is referenced - and the same article contains the phrase "guardian angel".

It doesn't force Logos to constrain itself to articles which are explicitly focusing on that verse. So you get hits in Systematic Theology works which reference the verse in a section which also refers to guardian angels, for example

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