Saint of the Day: St. Goar...but when did he die?

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jul 6 2015 6:03 PM

So randomly noticed the St. of the day on my home screen. Today is St. Goar. After following the trail of the links to read more...

same here...

then...

Which one is right?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 6 2015 6:13 PM

'Tis not for Verbum to say ... they merely report the data as provided by any specific resource. Here they clearly considered Wikipedia to be closer to contemporary academic consensus which is what they try to do when they must speak.

575 is "traditional" but not necessarily correct: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=3580

649 is the opinion of the "well researched" Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06606b.htm

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 6 2015 6:30 PM

Dates are often argued over to such a point to absurd resulting happenstances. Take Saint Patrick. He died on March 8 or 9, but because there was such violence over the proper date it was moved to the 17th (I hate that his popular feast greatly overshadows St. Gertrude of Nevilles ). Dates going this far back can often been had to confirm. We need firm reliable information placed into general history. Occasionally two people with similar names or history can sometimes accidentally be merged together making it even more difficult to be precise about dates.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 6 2015 6:45 PM

MJ. Smith:

575 is "traditional" but not necessarily correct: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=3580

649 is the opinion of the "well researched" Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06606b.htm

I figured this was the case, as far as it being uncertain.

Thank you for the links.

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 6 2015 6:46 PM

Dan Francis:
Dates going this far back can often been had to confirm. We need firm reliable information placed into general history. Occasionally two people with similar names or history can sometimes accidentally be merged together making it even more difficult to be precise about dates.

I can certainly see where discrepancies would come into play. Thanks for the response Dan 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 6 2015 7:15 PM

Dan Francis:

Dates are often argued over to such a point to absurd resulting happenstances. Take Saint Patrick. He died on March 8 or 9, but because there was such violence over the proper date it was moved to the 17th (I hate that his popular feast greatly overshadows St. Gertrude of Nevilles ). Dates going this far back can often been had to confirm. We need firm reliable information placed into general history. Occasionally two people with similar names or history can sometimes accidentally be merged together making it even more difficult to be precise about dates.

-Dan

The greatest problem with St. Patrick (I'm 1/8 Irish) is that he overshadows St. Urho (I'm 1/4 Finn). [Okay, you have to be an American on Finnish extraction to know of St. Urho who drove the grasshoppers out of Finland.]

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