Moving Precept Symbols Into A New Palette in Logos 7

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Randall Runion | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Dec 19 2016 11:51 AM

I have a list of all the precept symbols for several books of the Bible. They are on a PDF file and I would like to move into a new palette in Logos 7. Someone at Logos said I would have to convert them to a Word Document, but I don't know how to do that. Could someone give me step by step instructions for moving the PDF file symbols into a Word Document and then tell me how to move the Word Document symbols into a new palette in Logos Highlights? I have the new palette created. I just need very simple step by step instructions for getting the symbols into Logos. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2016 1:04 PM

See https://wiki.logos.com/Highlighting for building a palette

You simply navigate to the file containing the icons which you need to move from the PDF or docx into a file.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2016 1:09 PM

Thread => more inductive symbols has reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/121104/864205.aspx#864205 that also illustrates Inductive Precept style customization.

Faithlife Group Logos Visual Filters => https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/documents has two palettes with custom images:

The "Inductive - Precept" palette includes many graphics from the "Inductive/Precept" palette with location change to before so they can be used with other visual filters.

The  "Iconic Symbols - Translucent" palette has many translucent GIF graphic icons that allows custom style colorization

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 20 2016 11:37 AM

Randall Runion:
They are on a PDF file and I would like to move into a new palette in Logos 7. Someone at Logos said I would have to convert them to a Word Document

The person who told you this may have misunderstood what you were asking. Converting to a Word Document (docx) will not help you create a new Highlighting Style; you will need a standard image format, such as JPEG, PNG or GIF.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 20 2016 7:32 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Randall Runion:
They are on a PDF file and I would like to move into a new palette in Logos 7. Someone at Logos said I would have to convert them to a Word Document

The person who told you this may have misunderstood what you were asking. Converting to a Word Document (docx) will not help you create a new Highlighting Style; you will need a standard image format, such as JPEG, PNG or GIF.

Hi Bradley; This post is most likely stemming from this Faithlife group https://faithlife.com/precept-philippians-study/activity , and I, most likely am the one attempting to give some instructions on this. :-)

The bottom line of what has to be done, is to 1st convert the pdf into a docx (which will allow the individual images to be selected). Right-click on the image within Microsoft Word and save as a standard graphics file (jpg, gif, png, etc.). Once the image is save, MJ's instructions on creating the image on the palette will work.

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Randall Runion | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 21 2016 6:40 AM

What I really wanted to do was to move the files from the PDF file found here:

https://karikingdent.com/key-word-symbols/

for the book of Romans into Logos. I wanted to do an personal study of Romans using Logos. However, I am quickly learning that I have neither the computer skills nor the Logos skills to do any of this. I believe that I need to take a hard look at trying to participate in the group study on Philippians. And, if I do a Romans study, it will probably need to be done with pen and paper. Sorry to have taken up some much time and space here.   

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 21 2016 12:17 PM

Randall Runion:

What I really wanted to do was to move the files from the PDF file found here:

https://karikingdent.com/key-word-symbols/

Every Logos and Verbum user has 10 votes for suggestions,which can have up to three votes on one suggestion.

Please vote for => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17514043-expand-inductive-precept-key-word-symbols-for-high

 

Please expand "Inductive/Precept" highlighting palette (or add another one) with Kari Dent's Key Word Symbol additions => https://karikingdent.com/key-word-symbols/

 

Forum thread "Moving Precept Symbols Into A New Palette in Logos 7" => https://community.logos.com/forums/t/134154.aspx has discussion about Kari Dent's PDF files not being readily convertable into styles for Logos and Verbum highlighting use.

 

Forum reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/134175/871997.aspx#871997 shows all of Kay Arhtur's Inductive Precept symbols are in the "Inductive/Precept" highlighting palette as of Logos 6.13

Portable Document FIles (PDF) can contain image(s). The book of Romans PDF appears to be a photographic image of a sheet that started as a printed page with three columns of words followed by hand marking and coloring, which would convert to a single image in Word that is not usable for customizing styles in a highlighting palette. Kari Dent's PDF files were designed to be printed as an example set of how she marks Key Words and Phrases.

Faithlife digitally recreated Kay Arthur's Inductive Precept markings into the "Inductive/Precept" highlighting palette. Kari Dent's copyrighted Precept markings is a superset of Kay Arthur's Inductive Precept markings.

Precept Ministries was founded in 1970 => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precept_Ministries_International Inductive Bible study was designed for printed paper interaction (with colors and symbols on the words since could not change space around the words). At the time, graphically highlighting digital text for personal use was not practical. Fast forward many years to Logos and Verbum Bible Software that provides awesome digital interaction (includes increasing space around words as needed). Markings on a printed paper cannot easily be changed while digital can be turned on or off as desired.

Greek verbal expression (nuanced intensity) is often missing in translation to English so personally highlight English words with Greek morphological usage. Yet wanted to add Inductive Precept markings that could be used simultaneously so my Inductive Precept style customization is graphical images inserted into Bible text next to words, which can be done digitally. Am liking graphical marking of Key Biblical themes along with "seeing" range of Greek verbal expression.

For study with 5 W's (Who, What, Where, When, Why) and H (How), I can include "What was the original author's verbal intensity ?" Philippians 4:4 in NLT (New Living Translation) has "Always be full of joy in the Lord" with be full showing imperative (command), which is the same tone of voice we use to tell our pet dog to sit and expect our pet to obey. Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) is my variation plus reminder of Philippians 4:4 Smile

Logos also has Greek Discourse dataset that can be used in Bibles with appropriate tagging. Bold words with orange squiggles underneath had been arranged in Greek for emphasis. More W questions: "What did the original author emphasize ? Why ?"

Visual filters using Louw-Nida tagging of Greek lemma's can show W's and H (sub script) along with time inferences (superscript) and domain 89 relationships (bubbles above):

Visual filter highlighting is my favorite Logos Bible Software feature, which can search a variety of datasets and tagging for graphical display. When highlighted, more W questions: "What is highlighted ?" Why ?

Thankful for Faithlife enabling document sharing so all the visual filters in these screen shots can be freely copied; need to join OR follow Faithlife Group Logos Visual Filters => https://faithlife.com/logos-visual-filters/activity so can copy documents: highlighting palettes and visual filters.

Randall Runion:
I wanted to do an personal study of Romans using Logos. However, I am quickly learning that I have neither the computer skills nor the Logos skills to do any of this. I believe that I need to take a hard look at trying to participate in the group study on Philippians. And, if I do a Romans study, it will probably need to be done with pen and paper. Sorry to have taken up some much time and space here.

Thankful for many friendly forum discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. Logos and Verbum have a learning curve for effective study use. Skills can be learned, which facilitates study. Thankful for this discussion about Precept symbols (so feel no apology needed). Created User Voice Suggestion Expand Inductive Precept Key Word Symbols for Highlighting so could gauge Logos and Verbum user community interest in expanding Key Word Symbols. The User Voice Suggestion Complete the set of Precept symbols had 427 votes so know many Logos and Verbum users have Inductive Bible Study desires. Digital artistic skills are needed to expand Inductive Precept highlighting styles (to create graphic images). Open source has free software that can be used to create graphic images: e.g. GIMP, Paint.NET, LibreOffice Draw, ...

Logos and Verbum have many Bible Study tools that can supplement (enhance) a study of Romans on paper with pens, pencils, ... For example, the Concordance Tool can count and group Words, Biblical Entities, Senses, ... that helps with identifying Key Words and Concepts. Passage Guide helps with Biblical background information, including historical setting.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 25 2017 1:38 PM

Thankful can combine "Inductive - Precept" visual filters with Discourse features (Greek) with proposition unchecked so can check Propositional Outlines plus enable Louw-Nida visual filters for Discourse markers and Comparison plus Time References along with Logos Greek Morphology visual filters.

Propositional Outlines includes verse number (far left) plus segment diagramming with indentation. Personally ask myself: What's Highlighted ? Why ? How are segments related ?

Thankful can freely share highlighting palettes and visual filters plus turn them on OR off as desired. For Precept Philippians study, have NASB95 with many items turned on along with another Bible linked that has Chapter and Verse numbers hidden so am alternating between Bibles for reading Philippians many times.

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Every Logos and Verbum user has 10 votes for suggestions,which can have up to three votes on one suggestion.

Please vote for => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17514043-expand-inductive-precept-key-word-symbols-for-high

User Voice suggestion now has 31 votes (on 4th page of Top suggestions), which is noticeably less than 427 votes for Complete the set of Precept symbols

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 2:56 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

User Voice suggestion now has 31 votes (on 4th page of Top suggestions)

31 + 3 = 34 Yes

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Sascha John | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 3:30 AM

Randall Runion dit you think about just ask here for a docx File?

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Randall Runion | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 7:35 AM

Sascha, I am in so far over my head that I don't even know what questions to ask. So, do you have a docx file for more precept symbols, and if so, can you tell me in really simple terms how to move the symbols from the docx file to where the other precept symbols are already in my version of Logos 7? 

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Sascha John | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 8:08 AM

Randall I don't have a doc File but I sent Kari an Email and ask for one If she answer I let you know.

You need a Software to change pdf into Word

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Sascha John | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 8:18 AM

Randall

I try a free pdf to convert it but it don't Work. It collect several Pictures into one. So what you can do is open the pdf File and take the ones you like out with the Windows 10 Snipping Tool but what I would do is take the pdf and create my one Stiles in Logos

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 9:57 AM

Randall Sascha has offered you the best advice and the only advice worth following when it comes to what you are trying to do:

Sascha John:
I would do is take the pdf and create my one Stiles in Logos

You have been misled somewhere along the line in that you  would be able to what is in that pdf file and convert it into a workable pallette in Logos.  It's just not going to work very well, if at all and from what you are saying I don't think you have the computer skills to get close to even making it work..

To start you would need to strip out the test from the images - in Logos you want the text you are highlighting to be seen, rather that the text from that pdf document.  As for the colour shading and lines, the text you select in Logos is going to be of variable length and you care going to get results that are just awful using an image for that - if you manage to make the image transparent so that the text you have selected can be read.  You are much better off to create your own styles from scratch in Logos.  The pdf file was never created to be used in this way, it was created as a guide.

Also please not you can not add to the inductive highlighting palette that comes with Logos. It is done this way because if you were able to add to it, you would loose your additions anytime Logos updated that pallette.  You can copy all of the styles to a new palette and add to or modify it.

I strongly suggest you watch the following two tutorials about highlighting palettes and creating highlighting palettes so you better understand what you can do with them.  The second one will be particularly helpful because it shows how to create customer highlights, but the first as in introduction is worth watching because, correct me if I'm wrong but you dont seem to know a lot about how highlighting works in the software so I suggest starting with the basics.

https://www.logos.com/training/logos6/highlights-intro 

https://www.logos.com/training/logos6/highlights-custom 

Apologies if anything I have said has come across harsh, I'm not meaning it to be that way but I think someone has to bite the bullet and tell you what you are trying to do is not going to work very successfully.

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Randall Runion | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 26 2017 12:10 PM

Thanks you, Disciple Of Christ, and I don't have a problem with anything you've said. Don't worry about that. And I understand that the list I originally wanted to use isn't usable. But it would be nice to have a longer list of symbols that could be saved in a customized pallet. On the back page of the Precept Study For Romans Part 1 there is a list of about 30 symbols & not all of them are in Logos. They are for you to draw w/ a pen in the appropriate places as you study Romans in a paper version. I'm sure that all of these could be created for Logos by someone who knows how to use the apps that allow you to draw things on the computer. Or other ways that things get put on the computer. I've seen cartoon drawings, etc, and they would be a lot harder than creating these Precept symbols. So there has to be a way. But someone else besides me would have to do and then tell me, very slowly, step by step, how to get them into Logos. I'll watch the videos and I appreciate, very much, your sending them to me and for your helpful post.  

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