Dracula is back in Logos!!!!
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134531/dracula
Time for a beach party!
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I missed this last time around.
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The discussion back then was very interesting:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/83477.aspx
I missed it as well. It had already been pulled when I wanted to grab it...
Edit: Here's more: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/83808.aspx
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Ronald Quick said:
I missed this last time around.
It was actually taken down because some people complained. I just bought it, just in case another uproar begins and gets taken down again 😁
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Jan Krohn said:
The discussion back then was very interesting:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/83477.aspx
I missed it as well. It had already been pulled when I wanted to grab it...
I think it was in CP or Prepub it never got sold. I'm sure glad they reconsidered 👍 Thanks for posting!
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I think you're right. I'm glad to see it back and purchased it right away.
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Jan Krohn said:
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134531/dracula
Time for a beach party!
Thankful for $ 0.99 price in Noet eBook store along with hundreds more: e.g. Pinocchio , Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland , On the Origin of Species
Thankful Noet literature resources can be used in Logos and Verbum.
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KS:
Thanks for the heads up. I had been intending to get, in some form, Darwin's On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
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Robert M. Warren said:
KS:
Thanks for the heads up. I had been intending to get, in some form, Darwin's On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
LOL "Origin of the Species" contribution to Science really?
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
LOL
Indeed. This is one of those "I want it for reference" resources. Full title included for the benefit of those who don't know it and to provide a peek at the author's worldview.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
LOL "Origin of the Species" contribution to Science really?
Contribution has hit and miss attributes:
Robert M. Warren said:Indeed. This is one of those "I want it for reference" resources. Full title included for the benefit of those who don't know it and to provide a peek at the author's worldview.
+1 [Y] plus Thankful for Noet eBook store that has a variety of literature.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
LOL "Origin of the Species" contribution to Science really?
Critical for the History of Ideas. Have you read it? It is so often mischaracterized based on a portion of its content, a portion that is often misunderstood, that you must read it in its entirety to comment on it.
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MJ. Smith said:
Critical for the History of Ideas. Have you read it? It is so often mischaracterized based on a portion of its content, a portion that is often misunderstood, that you must read it in its entirety to comment on it.
Agreed, MJ - I was pleasantly surprised when I read it many years ago...
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Just pointing out Origin of Species is also available in Great Books of the Western World for anyone that has that.
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I'm not familiar with Noet. How does one go about adding a title Noet title to Logos?
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Randy Ehle said:
I'm not familiar with Noet. How does one go about adding a title Noet title to Logos?
Logos, Vyrso, Verbum & Noet all use the same login and have access to the same library. Just buy the book using your Logos login and it will download automatically.
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This is seriously a question, so I need to make sure I precursor the question so you know I mean no sarcasm in my tone.
Why would people purchase a book in Logos that is readily available for free in public domain? I would understand a resource, for tagging purposes, etc.
But books like Dracula (FABULOUS BOOK!), Frankenstein (Probably one of my top three favorite classic books of all time), etc., are all free e-books in the public domain. It's not like you need them in Logos for study, so I think I'm missing something here.
Thanks.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Jan Krohn said:
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134531/dracula
Time for a beach party!
FYI: The link doesn't bring me to the book, but a sheep that looks lost! Is it gone already????
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:
But books like Dracula (FABULOUS BOOK!), Frankenstein (Probably one of my top three favorite classic books of all time), etc., are all free e-books in the public domain. It's not like you need them in Logos for study, so I think I'm missing something here.
Some people do study them in Literature classes, especially people in Noet's principal target market.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:Cynthia in Florida said:
But books like Dracula (FABULOUS BOOK!), Frankenstein (Probably one of my top three favorite classic books of all time), etc., are all free e-books in the public domain. It's not like you need them in Logos for study, so I think I'm missing something here.
Some people do study them in Literature classes, especially people in Noet's principal target market.
I get that because I am a literature teacher. But what does reading them in Noet/Logos format offer that I can't get for free in public domain? I think that's my question.
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia in Florida said:
But what does reading them in Noet/Logos format offer that I can't get for free in public domain?
- Some editions of public domain works have much better formatting (and less typos) than others. I have found these "Open Road" resources to be better than free versions, and are often fairly inexpensive. They are available in Kindle, as well as other platforms.
- Why have them in Logos? Actually, I wouldn't, but it may be great benefit to others. The SINGLE reason I love Logos is having an integrated library for my "religious" books. When I preach / teach / lead small group, I like to be able to search my LIBRARY, not just a single BOOK. This is unique about Logos. I read more than most people (but probably less than many other forum members!), and my taste in reading is eclectic. I read science fiction, murder mysteries, history, Christian living, etc. The two platforms I purchase books on is 1) Logos and 2) Kindle. If I really don't have a reason for a book to be in my Logos library, and if my intension is to read it straight through without taking notes, I buy it in Kindle. I prefer to read on my Kindle Paperwhite (eInk device). Plus, many times when you purchase a kindle book, the audio book gets discounted. If I have any desire to mark the book up and refer to it later, I buy it in Logos. Most Logos users probably wouldn't have a need for Dracula in their Logos library (but some might!), but with the creation of Noet, there is a new market of users who might benefit. For example: If I were homeschooling my kids, Noet would be a great choice for a high school student who had to write a report on a book.
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Cynthia in Florida said:
FYI: The link doesn't bring me to the book, but a sheep that looks lost! Is it gone already????
Seems it has been removed, together with Frankenstein.
Very sad indeed.
Seems I'll have to check on Noet eBooks every day now to grab all resources that I want before they're censored out.
(For all fans of the genre, better get the "Last Man" before it's too late!!)
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Cynthia in Florida said:
Why would people purchase a book in Logos that is readily available for free in public domain?
Honestly, being able to create reading plans alone inclines me to get a lot more books in the Logos ecosystem than elsewhere - with Vyrso and Noet ebooks, I've found myself rebuying several titles that I already owned for Kindle, sometimes with better formatted text there, simply because I get so easily distracted - reading plans help me finish a lot more books.
Also, my preference would be to have all of my books/audiobooks stored in the same app, just for the sake of convenience.
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Jan Krohn said:Cynthia in Florida said:
FYI: The link doesn't bring me to the book, but a sheep that looks lost! Is it gone already????
Seems it has been removed, together with Frankenstein.
Very sad indeed.
Seems I'll have to check on Noet eBooks every day now to grab all resources that I want before they're censored out.
(For all fans of the genre, better get the "Last Man" before it's too late!!)
Wow - I got Dracula, but missed Frankenstein. I'm not sure what's going on with Logos removing, adding and removing books.
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Somebody with big influence has Bob's ear on these sorts of titles. It's a shame they don't influence him to deal with some real issues. I have no need for this book in Logos but not offended with it being offered, it's a non event as far as I see it.
Ronald Quick said:Jan Krohn said:Cynthia in Florida said:FYI: The link doesn't bring me to the book, but a sheep that looks lost! Is it gone already????
Seems it has been removed, together with Frankenstein.
Very sad indeed.
Seems I'll have to check on Noet eBooks every day now to grab all resources that I want before they're censored out.
(For all fans of the genre, better get the "Last Man" before it's too late!!)
Wow - I got Dracula, but missed Frankenstein. I'm not sure what's going on with Logos removing, adding and removing books.
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I'm glad I grabbed it as soon as I saw it.
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There has to be some other explanation. There were some books brought up several months ago that were considerably more potentially controversial than Dracula, and the consensus was to leave them because they were under the Noet line, and customers should be able to make their own decisions. I would be shocked if these two were taken again because of complaints now that Noet is in full swing. If so, that is just crazy.
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Somethings not right with Noet's website. I just tried to purchase a number of Noet books (before other classics disappear) and I can't place my order or remove any items from my cart.
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My order did finally go through.
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Joseph Turner said:
There has to be some other explanation. There were some books brought up several months ago that were considerably more potentially controversial than Dracula, and the consensus was to leave them because they were under the Noet line, and customers should be able to make their own decisions. I would be shocked if these two were taken again because of complaints now that Noet is in full swing. If so, that is just crazy.
Yep, what you said! I hope they bring them back. Now I want Dr. Frankie not just Dracula!
DAL
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These are classic works, and it is ridiculous to remove them from sale in Logos.
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DAL said:Ronald Quick said:
I missed this last time around.
It was actually taken down because some people complained. I just bought it, just in case another uproar begins and gets taken down again 😁
I got it many thanks to the original poster
No thanks to who ever pulled the book, for not having the backbone to distinguish between Logos and Note http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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I would be interested in hearing from Logos. I don't see how this could be a publisher or copyright issue.
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Sometimes an organization tries something, and the timing just isn't right, or they get unanticipated pushback, or the initial roll-out isn't effective - and they pull back, wait a while, and quietly try it again. I suspect that may be what's happening here.
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EastTN said:
Sometimes an organization tries something, and the timing just isn't right, or they get unanticipated pushback, or the initial roll-out isn't effective - and they pull back, wait a while, and quietly try it again. I suspect that may be what's happening here.
I just don't see this being the case with a individual title for sale on ebook site, particularly in this instance when there has been no-roll out of the site let alone Dracula as a title on the site.
But in other situations you are correct, this does happen.
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Ronald Quick said:
I would be interested in hearing from Logos. I don't see how this could be a publisher or copyright issue.
Given the previous heated discussion around the posting of this specific title, we decided that it was best to pull it down for now.
Senior Director, Content Products
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I really feel for you guys! I'm somewhat disappointed with the decision, but you're likely to have a hard time of it either way, so I'll leave it be.
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I had thought that since they were offering it under the Noet brand it would be less controversial. Love it or hate it, Dracula is most certainly a classic of its genre. I'm glad I snatched it up while it was available.
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This is ridiculous. It is under the Noet brand where it belongs. If you are going to take down classics like Dracula, then you are going to be constantly pulling works because someone is offended. You cannot allow a few to legislate what the majority wants to read. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm sure that I can go through all of the books in the Faithlife catalogue and find a lot of material that would be offensive to many, but you cannot allow that to take away from those who want those resources. If people don't want to buy it, then they don't have to. This is so irritating to me.
What if I'm offended that those resources were pulled? Does that make a difference? It offends me greatly that I cannot get whatever resources Faithlife is able to produce because someone else was offended. This is not the way things are supposed to work.
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Joseph Turner said:
This is ridiculous. It is under the Noet brand where it belongs. If you are going to take down classics like Dracula, then you are going to be constantly pulling works because someone is offended. You cannot allow a few to legislate what the majority wants to read. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm sure that I can go through all of the books in the Faithlife catalogue and find a lot of material that would be offensive to many, but you cannot allow that to take away from those who want those resources. If people don't want to buy it, then they don't have to. This is so irritating to me.
What if I'm offended that those resources were pulled? Does that make a difference? It offends me greatly that I cannot get whatever resources Faithlife is able to produce because someone else was offended. This is not the way things are supposed to work.
I understand completely where you are coming from. It's not an easy call one way or the other (and we may end up changing our minds). I have no doubt you could find a lot of other potentially offensive content. Pulling this down is not indicative of our standard practice for all content that anyone might find offensive. If there had been no history with this particular book, we would have left it up.
As I said, this is not a final decision. There are hundreds of books going up at ebooks.noet and we have to filter them to remove certain content (you can find other posts where some of that has slipped through). We generally choose to err on the side of caution in cases like this.
Senior Director, Content Products
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Thanks for the feedback. I hope Logos reconsiders making them available again.
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Ben Amundgaard said:
As I said, this is not a final decision. There are hundreds of books going up at ebooks.noet and we have to filter them to remove certain content (you can find other posts where some of that has slipped through). We generally choose to err on the side of caution in cases like this.
I deeply appreciate your caution and choice. It matters a lot to me.
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Jan Krohn said:
Seems it has been removed, together with Frankenstein.
Very sad indeed.
Seems I'll have to check on Noet eBooks every day now to grab all resources that I want before they're censored out.
I missed out on Frankenstein, thanks to the forum i did get the "Count"
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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I have to say I agree here.Joseph Turner said:This is ridiculous. It is under the Noet brand where it belongs. If you are going to take down classics like Dracula, then you are going to be constantly pulling works because someone is offended. You cannot allow a few to legislate what the majority wants to read. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm sure that I can go through all of the books in the Faithlife catalogue and find a lot of material that would be offensive to many, but you cannot allow that to take away from those who want those resources. If people don't want to buy it, then they don't have to. This is so irritating to me.
What if I'm offended that those resources were pulled? Does that make a difference? It offends me greatly that I cannot get whatever resources Faithlife is able to produce because someone else was offended. This is not the way things are supposed to work.
There are some books that are on logos that go against EVERY THING I believe in, down to the core of my faith. However, I see it as their right to offer it, and my right to reject it. I wonder how many people who are offended have actually read Dracula And Frankenstein. Seems to me to be the adult counterpart discussion to the Harry Potter series argument, wherein every person I ever met who opposed them actually never read them. When I tell them they are about the fight between good and evil, how often times evil is disguised as good and good has to stand alone, and that good ultimately prevails over evil, they still don't care. ( but I guess that's a separate argument.). Anyway, it is what it is, which I guess is not just indicative of Logos, but shows the thinking of people in general, where the few "offended" choose for the many. I'll stop now, because this whole topic is making me sick!Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Well, I'm in the never appreciated it, and really don't care one way or another camp. I'm much more a proponent of Logos as the Devil's Gift to Believers. I'd suspect forumites will be offended, but that opinion used to be pretty mainstream (except for 'Logos' of course).
But relative to Dracula, etc, I really believe modern Christianity has completely erased the world of evil spirits, and have no concept. We have a sitting justice who grew up in that world. Our home literally has a mirror installed at the front door to deter evil spirits from enterring. Serious.
So, 'Dracula' isn't necessarily 'literature'. Or take it / leave it (my attitude).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Ben Amundgaard said:
It's not an easy call one way or the other (and we may end up changing our minds). I have no doubt you could find a lot of other potentially offensive content. Pulling this down is not indicative of our standard practice for all content that anyone might find offensive. If there had been no history with this particular book, we would have left it up.
As I said, this is not a final decision. (...) We generally choose to err on the side of caution in cases like this.
Ben, thanks for offering lots of new books on http://ebooks.noet.com and for taking care that books that you don't want to sell are removed from what the automated feeds put into the store.
While I belong to the group of those that like to own some of the books you removed, I accept your right to exercise judgement as you feel appropriate and I appreciate that you came into this thread to explain.
Let me add that I greatly enjoy the variety of books on ebooks.noet and particularly liked getting a copy of The Light Princess by George MacDonald.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Denise said:
Well, I'm in the never appreciated it, and really don't care one way or another camp. I'm much more a proponent of Logos as the Devil's Gift to Believers. I'd suspect forumites will be offended, but that opinion used to be pretty mainstream (except for 'Logos' of course).
But relative to Dracula, etc, I really believe modern Christianity has completely erased the world of evil spirits, and have no concept. We have a sitting justice who grew up in that world. Our home literally has a mirror installed at the front door to deter evil spirits from enterring. Serious.
So, 'Dracula' isn't necessarily 'literature'. Or take it / leave it (my attitude).
Denise, half the time I don't know if you're joking or serious, and the other half I scratch my head and say , "Huh?" This time, it's both, but I suspect its because a) you have some history here that I'm not privy to AND b) you're just too smart for me to comprehend. 😀
Cynthia
Romans 8:28-38
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Cynthia, (b) can't be true, so probably (a)! Smiling.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It's all about political correctness with Logos/FL which shows, yet again, how inconsistent they are!
They know they won't get sued for discriminating against Dracula or Frankenstein, so they can take them up and down as they please; but they know they will get their butts taken to court if they ever removed an LGBTQ book because it's controversial!
So stop the filtering content bologna due to heated arguments when the same can be said of just about any book that's sold on different theological views.
Shame, shame! Sorry Drac and Frankie, you are at the mercy of backbone-less FL on this so controversial matter (yep, you read my sarcasm right) 😁
DAL
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Ben Amundgaard said:
Given the previous heated discussion around the posting of this specific title, we decided that it was best to pull it down for now.
Can appreciate decision while remembering previous heat from Vyrso's targeted selection. Noet has a wider target audience for reading than Vyrso.
Ben Amundgaard said:Joseph Turner said:This is ridiculous. It is under the Noet brand where it belongs. If you are going to take down classics like Dracula, then you are going to be constantly pulling works because someone is offended. You cannot allow a few to legislate what the majority wants to read. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm sure that I can go through all of the books in the Faithlife catalogue and find a lot of material that would be offensive to many, but you cannot allow that to take away from those who want those resources. If people don't want to buy it, then they don't have to. This is so irritating to me.
What if I'm offended that those resources were pulled? Does that make a difference? It offends me greatly that I cannot get whatever resources Faithlife is able to produce because someone else was offended. This is not the way things are supposed to work.
I understand completely where you are coming from. It's not an easy call one way or the other (and we may end up changing our minds). I have no doubt you could find a lot of other potentially offensive content. Pulling this down is not indicative of our standard practice for all content that anyone might find offensive. If there had been no history with this particular book, we would have left it up.
As I said, this is not a final decision. There are hundreds of books going up at ebooks.noet and we have to filter them to remove certain content (you can find other posts where some of that has slipped through). We generally choose to err on the side of caution in cases like this.
Appreciate caution. Thought about genre tagging of Caution (or Careful) of potentially offensive material in Noet along with store profile that allows genre to be personally filtered:
Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s).
Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering:
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Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s).
Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering:
This would require extra work outside of the automatic processing of files provided by publishers. One of your fellow MVP's likes to shoot down any suggestion of making the Vyrso format more usable as it staunchly defends it as a 'hobby' business and tif you read between the lines of his many responses to such requests he is telling his fellow customers in effect to stop complaining cause it ain't going to happen. He even had the audacity to strongly suggest I should not buy any Vyrso books - so it will be interesting to see what response you get KS4J for your suggestions today to improve the Vyrso format.
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