Say What? Libronix no longer supported????
Well we knew it had to happen. Libronix 3 must eventually fade away as the whispers of Logos 5 get louder. I am talking about the new de-velopment in the downloading of Libronix files from the Logos website.
There are some files that just do not run under Libronix 3, files like Biblical People, Places, and Things, along with the Perseus Collections. But most of the resources sold will work with both L3 and L4 versions. When we purchased downloadable resources our invoice contained an option to download the files to a "previous version" installation. That option is now GONE. Not only is it missing from the new invoices, it has been purged from all our previous invoices.
THIS IS NOT GOOD.
If you think, "Fine, I will just use the "Librinox downloadable files" at the bottom of my order page.", Think again. Logos has not given us any Libronix file links for resources that have shipped the last couple of days. In other words, The Expositors Bible can not be installed to Libronix.
Please, Logos, tell me you are just caught in a server switch and will have support for Libronix restored soon. I would hate to think we will lose Libronix before Logos 4 has reached maturity. 
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Thats odd... I have links for puchases I made just a couple days ago... when do you notice the last files for you?
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Alexander Longacre said:
Thats odd... I have links for puchases I made just a couple days ago... when do you notice the last files for you?
ALL of my invoices I have checked are missing the option to "Download to previous versions." I checked invoices from 2010 and 2011 and none have the option now.
This just in: From 2012 on no resources shipping from Logos.com will run under Libronix
[:'(] what a bad day for Logos......................... I'm going to go put on the sackcloth. I'll let the rest of you do the wailing.
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I too no longer have the links for Libronix.
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I am sad at this as well. [:'(]
I HATE L4 [:@] but I was able to download the Expositor's Bible to Libronix. The download script was attached to my email notification but no more download links found in our order history page.
I am very sad. [:'(]
If they stop making Libronix resources and change to making ONLY Logos 4 they will lose me as a user. I haven’t bought any resources that are L4 only except for a .99 book (which I copied and made into a PB for Libronix). I have downloaded the free L4 resources but they will not get any more money from me so I hope they continue to make L3 resources so I can give them my money.
Don't you want my money? [:D]
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Super Tramp said:
This just in: From 2012 on no resources shipping from Logos.com will rum under Libronix
I hope Logos has an answer to the question about our licenses and rights were they ever to go out of business. I don't want to have spent thousands of dollars over the years to be locked out and have all my purchased material vanish overnight because Logos shuts its doors. I don't have that fear at the moment, but does Logos think they can endure until the return of Christ?
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Super Tramp said:
This just in: From 2012 on no resources shipping from Logos.com will run under Libronix
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! [:'(]
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TCBlack said:
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/ still works.
yep.
Super Tramp said:In other words, The Expositors Bible can not be installed to Libronix.
The Expositor's Bible files are here, I believe:
So they still support Libronix. They just don't tell you how to get the files.
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Super Tramp said:
This just in: From 2012 on no resources shipping from Logos.com will run under Libronix
Todd Phillips said:TCBlack said:ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/ still works.
yep.
Super Tramp said:In other words, The Expositors Bible can not be installed to Libronix.
The Expostitor's Bible files are here, I believe:
So they still support Libronix. They just don't tell you how to get the files.
These two pieces of information are conflicting. Lets settle down and find the truth before Denise gets here! [{][Z][}]
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Super Tramp said:Alexander Longacre said:
Thats odd... I have links for puchases I made just a couple days ago... when do you notice the last files for you?
ALL of my invoices I have checked are missing the option to "Download to previous versions." I checked invoices from 2010 and 2011 and none have the option now.
Concur my Logos.com orders page no longer has libronix update script links.
Personally wish Logos 4 information for resources would show resource licensing (so know when purchased license, then duplicated), which is available in Libronix 3.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Todd Phillips said:
So they still support Libronix. They just don't tell you how to get the files.
So please tell us Todd. How do I get my latest Pre-Pubs into Libronix?
btw: I did not make up the news flash. It came from the mouth of a Logos employee. Maybe that employee got it wrong but they said "Nothing shipping from 2012 on will run under Libronix. "
I am sending Bob Pritchett an email with this thread linked. Hope he tells us it ain't so!
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Super Tramp said:
I did not make up the news flash. It came from the mouth of a Logos employee.
Super Tramp said:I am sending Bob Pritchett an email with this thread linked. Hope he tells us it ain't so!
Whatever the case may be - it's definitely a good idea to wait now for a definitive answer lest rampant speculation leads us astray.
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Super Tramp said:
So please tell us Todd. How do I get my latest Pre-Pubs into Libronix?
Download the files from ftp.logos.com to your Libronix resources directory, and synchronize your licenses in Libronix. The files will be named the same as the Logos4 ones, except they will have the .lbxlls extension instead of the .logos4 extension. You can find the Logos4 filenames by going to the support information portion of the info pane in the resource window.
Edit: here are links (EDIT2: forum software doesn't like "ftp" links had to remove the "link"):
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL9SA1.lbxlls
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL19PS.lbxlls
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL1GE.lbxlls
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL24JE.lbxlls
ftp:///ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL63LU.lbxlls
ftp://ftp.logos.com/LbxBooks/EXBBL79EPH.lbxllsSuper Tramp said:It came from the mouth of a Logos employee.
Sorry I didn't know. That wasn't clear from your first postings.
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Todd Phillips said:
Edit: here are links:
EXBBL19PS.lbxlls
edit: Thanks. I also found the Augustine Pre-Pub already. It's all coming back to me now.[Y] [sn]
I apologize. In my panic, I was not very clear.Todd Phillips said:That wasn't clear from your first postings.
Todd Phillips said:You can find the Logos4 filenames by going to the support information portion of the info pane in the resource window.
Huh? Maybe I should be sleeping off my minor foot surgery rather than doing silly talk in the forums. I am looking for the AM Moody Foundations of Ministry files
I am having a little trouble identifying them (32 files) [H]
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Super Tramp said:Todd Phillips said:
You can find the Logos4 filenames by going to the support information portion of the info pane in the resource window.
Huh? Maybe I should be sleeping off my minor foot surgery rather than doing silly talk in the forums. I am looking for the AM Moody Foundations of Ministry files
I am having a little trouble identifying them (32 files)
I don't have those resources, but here's how to find the filenames in Logos 4:
Open the resource in question. Click on the (i) button in the upper right of the resource's window. Then scroll to the bottom:
THEN, go the to ftp site, and look for that filename in the LbxBooks directory (except it will end with lbxlls instead of logos4)
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I'm sorry our announcement is late; we are planning to drop support for Libronix edition of new releases. It's been over 2 years since we moved to Logos 4, and most of our users have moved to it.
As we add more functionality and support for richer tagging to Logos 4, it's harder and more time-consuming to build Libronix-compatible editions. And while there are still Libronix users, they typically aren't frequent/active purchasers of new content. (They are increasingly, by definition, people who don't upgrade/buy a lot of new things.)
We believe the time is right to drop Libronix support on new releases so that we can put our resources into other efforts.
I know many people do still use Libronix, and we're not disabling it, we're just not going to keep putting more and more effort into supporting it with new releases. I apologize for the disconnect between the change in releases and the announcement; if you need to return a resource we'll be happy to help you with that.
-- Bob
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I was just thinking about uninstalling Libronix from my computer as I can't remember the last time I opened it. I am really happy with all the improvements we have seen over the last two years and as soon as we get notes and highlighting on ios I will be ecstatic! I know some people will complain but I just wanted to say thanks Bob, I'm sure the reallocated labor will pay off in an even better L4 experience.
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Okie dokie, Bob. Let's try to clarify (since the details don't match the above).
1. Are people able to download 'any' L3 resources they've purchased in 2012? The above indicates you're still sending emails with licenses.
2. Are we safe in concluding the credits we were promised in 2011 are now not supportable in Libronix3? Note that the 1 month delay was not mentioned in your Christmas sale verbage (though the delay is understandable).
I ask #2 (along with #1) since I had assumed that indeed you'd stop shipping L3 resources (so I purchased AYB). But if you're not also going let me download the credits in L3 format (you not having even mentioned your delay during the sale), then yes, we'll need to undo about $2,100 worth of purchases and finish up our relationship.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Bob Pritchett said:
it's harder and more time-consuming to build Libronix-compatible editions
So much for multi-platform usage of resources.
All under-powered laptops and netbooks need not apply. The same goes for older computers; or for those that do not have good internet connections. If the resource is not available in Biblia or ipad you are out of luck. If you consider hardware requirements for full Logos 4 application; the entry level just got more expensive. It seems that if a resource can be made available to an internet browser it surely could be made available in some form for Libronix, which is browser based, even if all the "advanced functionality and richer tagging" may be crippled. This was my initial criticism of Logos 4 and it still stands. I wonder about the remote missionary or the budget minded user that has hardware related issues. (I just recently upgraded to a new quad-core i7 computer but still run Libronix as well as Logos4 because of some features I don't want to get into now.)
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Bob Pritchett said:
if you need to return a resource
Only way you will get my Logos resources back is to pry them from my cold, dead fingers. [8o|] That's how we cowboys in Oklahoma say we are fond of somethin'.
I do wish we could let Libronix fade away over the next 12 months. This news was rather sudden for the folk who still plow the field with the old mare, instead of the new tractor. Shooting her to save on oats seems so...uh, postmodern. The "old paths" way is to treat her with a little sorghum too.
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Super Tramp said:
I do wish we could let Libronix fade away over the next 12 months.
That may yet happen! But it's difficult to fade out support for new releases that Bob confirmed. And due to the "suddenness" of that event people can return the resource.
Some things need to be clarified:-
- if the resource is available from the ftp site where will that information be readily available e.g. in my Orders, an email?
- will there be a "Works on" icon for Libronix on the Product description page (probably one with a slash/cross for "not work")
Otherwise there will be a lot of returns.
Dave
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Bob Pritchett said:
I'm sorry our announcement is late; we are planning to drop support for Libronix edition of new releases. It's been over 2 years since we moved to Logos 4, and most of our users have moved to it.
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Glad to see it heading this way.
Jerry
iMac (2019 model), 3Ghz 6 Core Intel i5, 16gb Ram, Radeon Pro Graphics. 500GB SSD.
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Dave Hooton said:
Some things need to be clarified:-
- if the resource is available from the ftp site where will that information be readily available e.g. in my Orders, an email?
- will there be a "Works on" icon for Libronix on the Product description page (probably one with a slash/cross for "not work")
Otherwise there will be a lot of returns.
There are always many factors the user never thinks of. It just occurred to me that all the new resources would need support staff for typos, tagging errors long after the official cut-off date. It is like raising a child to adulthood; the easy-to-care-for cute infant becomes a fashion-assassin, with poor music taste. You can't send therm back and they can't quite fly from the nest yet. Expensive.
I am on board with Logos 4 and looking forward to 5, 6, and 7.
(I reserve my right to fire up Libronix 3 and wear my puka shell necklace when I get misty-eyed.)
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Denise Barnhart said:
But if you're not also going let me download the credits in L3 format
Here's the thing, I still have over 200 resources in Libronix format in Logos4; many of which you can still buy. Logos aren't going to know whether you intend it for Libronix or Logos 4 or both. Same applies to any resource you buy unless its availability is clarified i.e. "Works on".
It's clear that new releases in 2012 won't be "shipped" in Libronix format. So is there is a conflict between Logos' promise of credit and your expectation to use that credit for products in Libronix or is it the lack of a download link in Orders? Note that I think Logos' timing and lack of clarity is abysmal.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
It's clear that new releases in 2012 won't be "shipped" in Libronix format
What is clear is Logos has to cut the throat of it's sibling Libronix before Logos can claim the throne. All resources downloading from Logos.com will be Logos 4 only, but all resources shipped from third party publishers will be Libronix format. As long as Logos is still creating the CDs in-house for third party publishers there is going to be a sibling rivalry.
edit: I have just learned this resource will only be produced as a downloadable product. The Libronix CD has been canceled. (Publisher said so.)
The latest third party production I am interested in is the Church of God Digital Library Collection 9 . As best as I can tell it is a downloadable product for Logos 4 (no shipping) see edit note aboveand a CD product for Libronix (marketed by the creator. The future of the Logos user base looks eerily like the divided kingdom stage of Israel & Judah. Will Logos continue to produce Libronix resources for it's closest competitor? What if IVP, CoG, Fortress Press, eNelson and the others don't want to contract for Logos in-house publishing? Scary. Abysmal fits
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Well, to be honest, I'm not upset or anything. When L4 came out and we came to understand Bob's vision, we budgeted for a year of L3 resources, figuring he'd close L3 up after a year. When 2011 rolled around, I was dancing around with my spouse on why I was still significantly purchasing throughout 2011.
My only issue is wanting to use my Christmas credit to finish out our 2011 budget (all are pre-existing resources, most of them actually existing back in the heyday of L3).
I'd also would have really liked Meyer in L3 format but I guess I can write it off. Earlier this week, I deleted all my CPs and all nice-to-have pre-pubs. Presuming 2012 resources are L4 only, I'll delete the rest as well.
Again, I've no issue with Bob ... he's a year later than I planned. I'm just waiting to see how we'll close out the 2011 sale.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I'm sorry our announcement is late; we are planning to drop support for Libronix edition of new releases. It's been over 2 years since we moved to Logos 4, and most of our users have moved to it.
As we add more functionality and support for richer tagging to Logos 4, it's harder and more time-consuming to build Libronix-compatible editions. And while there are still Libronix users, they typically aren't frequent/active purchasers of new content. (They are increasingly, by definition, people who don't upgrade/buy a lot of new things.)
We believe the time is right to drop Libronix support on new releases so that we can put our resources into other efforts.
I know many people do still use Libronix, and we're not disabling it, we're just not going to keep putting more and more effort into supporting it with new releases. I apologize for the disconnect between the change in releases and the announcement; if you need to return a resource we'll be happy to help you with that.
-- Bob
An announcement would have been nice so that we could download resources for L3.
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I feel like someone just snuck a dose of methadone into my morning cup of coffee. Finally, a reason to break the Logos habit.
Now I suppose I can start looking for a software package that doesn't think qualtiy notes are a stupid idea.
Oh...and I will be expecting a full refund on EEC.
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I thought a contract was a contract. When I offered to purchase certain items via community pricing or prepub, I have stuck with my offer. When and item moves from CP to PP, I understood Logos/Libronix had accepted my offer to purchase the product, knowing I had version 3.
For some reason I have a $117 credit, which I guess I will not get to use. Has Logos/ Libronix backed out of our purchase agreement for CP & PP materials?
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I would like a refund of $6,177.79. Which is the amount spend directly from Logos. What about a refund of my Logos 4 Gold upgrade or my Platinum upgrade. I'm not happy with Logos 4 at all and know I can't buy any more resources for this software. I have continued to buy from Logos because I was able to use the resources in Libronix. I just bought the Expositor's Bible for Libronix and have a few more CPs but now I have to cancel them and tell everyone I told about Libronix to stop buying.
I would love to give up every resource for a full refund if Logos 4 is my only option. So will you refund my $6,177.79, or the Platinum, or Gold upgrades??
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