Husband & Wife want maintain own personal notes/underlining, layouts etc.

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 7 2014 8:12 PM

My wife and I would like to maintain our personal notes, underlining, layouts etc.  When either of us changes something it shows up on the others setup (we log onto the internet when using the program).  One can turn off internet use, but as soon as we log back on to get get updates, our notes etc. change to include all the notes, etc. we've both made.  Any solution to this problem?

I was thinking one could copy the files holding the notes, highlighting, layouts to another location.  Then log onto the internet to get the updates and then turn off use internet and copy the files back to get the personal data back like what we had.  I don't know which files these would be and where they are or if it would even work.

Also where are all the books stored now?

Thanks for your help - this really limits how we want to use the program.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 7 2014 8:50 PM

Welcome Daniel

Daniel Harper:
I was thinking one could copy the files holding the notes, highlighting, layouts to another location.  Then log onto the internet to get the updates and then turn off use internet and copy the files back to get the personal data back like what we had. 

Logos is designed for one user so operating with two users and maintaining separate documents and annotations/highlighting will be quite a challenge. All Note files are listed in the Documents menu in the main window - you cannot change their location.

The only way to keep separate annotations, etc is to use different note files and be diligent when highlighting and making notes that you use your own set of files e.g.

  • Highlighting  - don't use palette defaults. Change the Save in: option in the Palette menu to "most recent note file" and make sure yours is the most recent by opening it.
  • Annotation/Notes - have your note file open and select it from the Context menu in the resource
  • In the resource's Visual filter menu select only the note files you want to be active (under NOTES).
  • Have your own layout when working  i.e. load it manually from the Layouts menu and update it regularly via Update active in the same menu (this may save you having to load note files explicitly and changing the active ones in the resource's Visual filter menu)
  • In Program Settings use the "At Startup" option to load a Blank layout, then you can select your layout as above.

Daniel Harper:
Thanks for your help - this really limits how we want to use the program.

It would be best to have separate Faithlife accounts and packages so that you have your own Sign-in; which means resources, documents and layouts will then be stored in separate locations.

Dave
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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 7 2014 8:53 PM

Daniel Harper:
My wife and I would like to maintain our personal notes, underlining, layouts etc. 

You each need a separate license to do this. Are you trying to do this with one copy (license) or two?

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 5:34 AM

Daniel Harper:
Also where are all the books stored now?

Welcome Big Smile

Wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_Multiple_Macs#Copy_Logos_Resources_to_Mac_OS_X with Resource locations.

Daniel Harper:
this really limits how we want to use the program.

End User License Agreement (EULA) => https://www.logos.com/support/eula is consistent with software design of one user having a digital library on many devices with highlighting, layouts, notes, prayer lists, etc in sync, which are used by that one user.  On 16 Jul 2009, Bob Pritchett (Faithlife Corporation CEO) offered license insights => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:08 PM

We just have just the one license to a Platinum plus many of books not in the Platinum level.  I have no problem buying another license, however being required to purchase two copies of all the books is out to the question (cost wise).  I was told that buying another license would not let the second user (my wife) use the books we own (as one/Scripture).  I started with Logos at it's beginning and this has not been a problem with Logos until they added the constraint of having everything online.

Any thank you for your answer.

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:14 PM

I didn't share that we use Windows computers, Android tablets and Apple phones.  My wife is now talking about using Wordsearch because of all the constraints we've leaned about.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:19 PM

Daniel Harper:
I have no problem buying another license, however being required to purchase two copies of all the books is out to the question (cost wise).

To "buy another license" means to buy two copies of any book you want her to have access to. When you purchase electronic media (eBooks, Music, Video), you don't actually own anything... you have a license agreement with another entity. 

You have three options:

  1. Buy a second license for anything she wants to use.
  2. Use some of the techniques suggested to minimize problems between the two installations 
  3. Create an installation which is offline. If it ever goes online after you have installed it, everything will sync. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:20 PM

Daniel Harper:
My wife is now talking about using Wordsearch because of all the constraints we've leaned about.

If she is only interested in having a few bibles, those can be picked up rather cheaply. What does she need access to?

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:23 PM

When we started using Logos, they were fine with us buying the books and installing them on our (wife &I) separate computers  (the Logos software was free).  I've invested several thousand dollars over the years and I'm now hearing that is now changing and one of us will no longer be able to use the software.

Thanks

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:28 PM

Daniel Harper:
I'm now hearing that is now changing and one of us will no longer be able to use the software.

This isn't a new change, and your statement isn't correct. Has she not used the software in the past 4-5 years? You may both use the same license... you just need to be aware of the consequences of doing so. If you REALLY don't like the new software, you can always run an emulator and run old software. As for me, I like having everything in the cloud. 

Daniel Harper:
the Logos software was free

As is the case now.

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:29 PM

Dave Hooton:  Thanks for your inputs.  I'm going to look into trying out your suggestions.  I'll let you know if it's working for us.  I also may have questions on just how to implement them.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:31 PM

Sure thing. Make sure to read Dave's post above. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:35 PM

The easier solution is just to send to Kindle  (within the rules of course).  It really depends on how you both are using Logos (e.g. reading, OL, sermons, etc).


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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:36 PM

These are not new constraints. The license has always been for a single user. However Logos/Faithlife has always been generous in its interpretation of the EULA for married couples. They consider them to be "one flesh" for the purposes of using Logos at home for their own personal study, or even for the wife of a pastor to use his copy if it's just for her own personal study. However if they are employed in different capacities and are using Logos for their work, then they are no longer using it as husband and wife, so in that case they or their employers should buy separate licenses for them.

Here's Bob Pritchett's oft-quoted post about his attitude towards this one-license one-user policy:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265 

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:38 PM

My wife uses the books almost as much as I do.  She love to study and add what she learns to her notes.  We both have Microsoft Surface computers which we would like to make our personal Bibles, with notes, underlining, highlighting, pictures, outlines, etc.

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 5:44 PM

Ouch, alabama24, "This isn't a new change, and your statement isn't correct."  I understand this isn't a new change, but I haven't tried to get input from this forum until now.  Yes this has been a problem from the first time we needed to use Logos online (approx.4yrs ago).  It is new to the time I purchased most of my books (before the online change we received them on CD's).  I REALLY do like the new software, but not the change on how it affects both of us using it.  I also like using the cloud, but not having my wife or myself not being able to have our own notes, etc.   I'm sorry I gave you the impression I didn't like the software.  I love Logos.  I've been with this company from their start.  Logos could correct this problem in several different ways.  An emulator does not solve the problem.  Changing the constraints of using the BOOKS we've purchased with this online change is the problem.  I've always lived by the Logos License and called when I had any questions about it's meaning.  From Day One I was told my wife and I both could use the software and the Books we purchased with no restrictions.  I have a stack of Logos CD's almost three feet high (which we own).  Sending thousands of dollars on Books and being told you both can no longer have full access to the books if you both want to use all the features of the books is not correct.  In the past Logos saw us as One user and it seems that's still true if you read the response of Logos linked above), but we can't use all the features as One.  Why can't Logos grant a husband and wife two logons, both linked to the resources?  Or have a way to backup settings notes, etc. which one can restore after going offline?  Let us know which files need to be copied and restored.  We also have thousands invested in hard copy books, which both of us can use and Logos books should be no different.  Even from the beginning Logos showed adds online talking about using this program as your personal Bible and being able to take your library with you. 

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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 6:02 PM

Rosie PereraThe new implementation online vs. offline adds constraints that wasn't there from the beginning.  As you said Logos has always looked at married couples as "one flesh", but they forgot this with the online implementation.  Pritchett say we're still looked at as one user in the link you posted.  All I'm asking for is a way my wife and I can use it as one user.  I think Faithlife should come up with a solution.  I didn't want to argue about anything.  Faithlife and I are in agreement about the license (we are one user).

Thanks for your input.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 6:15 PM

I can see why Logos might have their hundreds of hands tied, regarding 2 accounts against one resource.  A whole host (not stars) of issues constrain contract agreements.

But I'd agree, Logos could it make it A LOT easier to move across notes/highlights,layouts, etc.  (similar to managing your calendar).  And that is irrespective of husband/wife teams. It's not hard to imagine layout/note/highlighting/etc combos you could choose from, at load time or later.

Ironically, I'm just the opposite ... I work off of 5 Bible software platforms, with each having libraries.  But I don't cross paths with myself.


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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 6:17 PM

Daniel Harper:
From Day One I was told my wife and I both could use the software and the Books we purchased with no restrictions.

This looks like a case of a good deed not going unpunished.

In allowing you both to use the resources, Logos was excepting their own EULA. (At least, they were as far back as I go with Logos, which is v. 3...the EULA may have read differently before that; I don't know). Now that enforcement of the EULA is becoming academic, this is not something they can continue to do...they are going to have to follow their own rules.

I would suggest Faithlife could remedy the situation this way: grant you a second license for the engine and any resources you purchased up until an agreed upon date, like Nov. 30th, for example (so you could both have your own copies as you were allowed to do in the past); then allow you to purchase resources separately in the future, to more closely comply with the EULA. You might wish to make this offer to the sales folks and see if they agree to it. (This is contingent upon all you've said above being true, with no misunderstandings, etc.).

Daniel Harper:
We also have thousands invested in hard copy books, which both of us can use and Logos books should be no different.

On this point, you are simply wrong. You own your hard copy books. You do not own any of your electronic resources, and never have. You have a EULA that allows you to use those resources in certain ways. But you own nothing (not even the electrons). Even your CDs fall under this category. You own a physical piece of plastic, but you don't own the data that's on it. (FWIW, this is why I have not, and will not commit to converting my library to electronic only...I'm keeping my books and continue to buy quality physical books. Those folks that have drunk the koo-aid and sold all their hard copies may live to regret it.)

If you could negotiate a grant of a second license for those resources you already own, you would probably come out ahead of where you might otherwise and still have both parties happy with the arrangement.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Silver Hawk | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 6:52 PM

Daniel Harper:
Ouch, alabama24
You can't expect any empathy from the fanboys. If yoy stick around the forums you'll have to learn to overlook them. Smile

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