New Jerusalem Bible with Complete study notes
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Also while a Revised version is coming this year, the new notes do not seem overly an improvement from the brief exposure I have had to it (less scholarly and more doctrinal as well as being shorter). Now it must be said I do not have a copy of the RNJB, just reviews I have read.
-dan
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Dan Francis said:
Also while a Revised version is coming this year, the new notes do not seem overly an improvement from the brief exposure I have had to it (less scholarly and more doctrinal as well as being shorter). Now it must be said I do not have a copy of the RNJB, just reviews I have read.
-dan
Uh, oh. I just wanted the notes ... not the doctrine. Nabre's notes remain good. Safe so far (no offense to doctrine people).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I bought the NJB readers edition, was not sure if the "preorder" of the complete at least would give the readers until/if the complete comes out. So if I pay the preorder will the complete actually come out some day? of should I just skip it?
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It will be very well worth it if it comes out... the notes are very good.
-dan
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yea I have a hard copy of the NJB coming. I did the pre order also.
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The bar has suddenly grown and changed color to to yellow: almost funded
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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The webpage now reports that the NJB is "in production." [8-|]
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So how long now before it is ready for downloading?
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It will be a couple of months depending on other things we've got in the pipeline.
Craig St. Clair | Verbum Product Manager |
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It will be a couple of months depending on other things we've got in the pipeline.
Seven months would be fine for me. I'll plan to be in U.S. in the end of June 2020.
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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well its been over 2 months. any idea now how long it will be before it is ready?
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Ira Taylor said:
well its been over 2 months. any idea now how long it will be before it is ready?
I'd bet (not much), you're looking at Verbum packages this fall. Prepub-ers next spring. When people sign up, it's only to add another line in their libraries ... no Logos customer actually 'needs' books, and thus no rush.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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that is disappointing then. I will not support any new additions in the future and cancel the ones I have in place.
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Ira Taylor said:
that is disappointing then. I will not support any new additions in the future and cancel the ones I have in place.
It's getting close. The resource itself is finished but because it's a Bible we have to do additional development work that needs to line up with application shipping cycles.
Everything is looking like it'll be on target for shipping to customers in mid-March.
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Ira Taylor said:
that is disappointing then. I will not support any new additions in the future and cancel the ones I have in place.
You appear to be reacting to the speculation of a fellow Logos/Verbum user. This resource requires a great deal of tagging and linking. It is not reasonable to expect it to be produced quickly; if it were we would be complaining about quality. Faithlife has a history of releasing resources at a fairly steady pace - and informing us of difficulties causing a delay when we ask.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Guilty as charged. I should have not reacted so quickly. Thanks for the info on the status.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
because it's a Bible we have to do additional development work that needs to line up with application shipping cycles.
They have to re-build some of the shelves in the library (since it's a not-a-Bible, but needs to go on the same shelf with the Bibles). I can hear hammering and sawing, whenever I look in my Logos library. Now, whenever the janitor starts up, that's the key. The librarian already has the card catalog ready.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I think Kyle G. Anderson is trying to say - without revealing disclosures about the next version of Logos / Verbum - that there are additional features being rolled on then and not only does this book have to be coded to work with all the current features of Logos/Verbum, but it additionally has to work in the next version. A Logos Bible isn't just a FaithLife novel where only simple hyperlinks exist to source material quoted in a book, Logos / Verbum is very tightly integrated with the other books so that searches for original Greek and Hebrew can be done, I'm sure that if you just wanted a text file of this bible, they could provide it now, but I don't want a text file, I want this to be as excellent as the rest of the resources I have. Perhaps Mr. Kyle G. Anderson could give us a simple explanation of the complicated work that needs to be finished for this work. I understand that when the Boss says "Don't release the book until it works completely with the next version of software, you have to do what he says.
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Actually, study Bibles are notes. And Kyle is super-busy. No rush for me ... need those new shelves to be perfect.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
so that searches for original Greek and Hebrew can be done
Is a reverse interlinear suppose to be a part of the this new edition?
-dan
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Well, reading the product page, and then notes, apparently there's a Bible and notes. No mention of interlinear, though that would be nice. Is NABRE interlinear ... Jerusalem, even better. And apparently the 3rd edition of the Bible might be superior ... I want the 2nd edition notes.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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March is here, I see listings on my PrePub shipping dates into April but nothing for NJB yet.... I do apologize for my impatience but is there any more of an idea when release will be for this?
-dan
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Dan Francis said:
March is here, I see listings on my PrePub shipping dates into April but nothing for NJB yet.... I do apologize for my impatience but is there any more of an idea when release will be for this?
-dan
I can't speak for the product team on when they'll ship it but I can say it won't be available until after March 17. It's shipping with a new Bible data type and won't have application support on Desktop and mobile until after March 17, which is when Logos 8.12 ships.
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Thank you. I also now understand the date, meaning it couldn’t be released till then. I do thank you for clarifying things.
-Dan
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I know the required release has only just been released but now that it is here since the work was done in January is there any one from the team who can give insight on when we might be seeing the NJB released?
-dan
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Dan Francis said:
I know the required release has only just been released but now that it is here since the work was done in January is there any one from the team who can give insight on when we might be seeing the NJB released?
-dan
Soon! I've got two screens up right now and it's literally on my left monitor. I'm cleaning up a couple of things and then will be confirming full application support across platforms.
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Dear Kyle,
any updates?
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Blessings,
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Is it possible to miraculously accelerate the process of publication of NJB? Seriously, during the Quarantine, it would be an excellent gift for us form Faithlife. What is more, it would be an outstanding asset for the preparation of sermons for Easter. Anyway, we're waiting...
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Sorry for the lack of response. I had to take some extra time to finalize some things involving the new Bible Data Type and making sure everything was supported on mobile and web clients.
It's been passed along to the products team and they'll be posting a ship date soon.
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Great news! Dreams really do come true!
5 years of waitng... [;)]
I think that it will be a fantastic tool for our Bible Study.
Hopefully, "soon" means a course of one/two weeks... Who knows, maybe even sooner? [;)] [;)] [;)]Thanks Kyle! [Y]
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fr.paul said:
Hopefully, "soon" means a course of one/two weeks... Who knows, maybe even sooner?
It has a shipping date now! April 24th 2020
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Thanks be to GOD ! [A]
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I just received an email saying it is about to ship and showing some details of my payment card, asking if everything was the same, if so no action need be taken.
It's on its way.
Jesus died on the cross today, but I know the triumph coming in two days.
Happy Easter.
David
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Anxiously waiting as traditional closing time of the day nears..... hope we still get this today!
-dan
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Thank you to whoever worked late to get NJB out tonight!!
And well worth the wait:
Genesis 1 (NJB: Notes): Light was one of God’s creations; darkness, being negative, was not.
Also, the notes track YEDP ... also good.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thank You Faithlife for a wonderful implementation of this important Bible. I am only just exploring it now but it appears to be a very top notch implementation of the Regular Edition (Study Bible).
-dan
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Got it here! Even outside the States :-)
Looks good!
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Why did they publish it in two volumes? One is the text, the second is the notes.
When I click on a lettered note (in the Android mobile app) it goes promptly to the notes, but then I cannot return!
If they put it in one volume I doubt they'd have that problem.
Maybe I'll find a work around.
Regards,
David
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Why did they publish it in two volumes? One is the text, the second is the notes.
This is the common way of publishing bibles (mostly study bibles) that have lots of and/or very voluminous notes. It allows having both resources flow alongside in two tabs, and it allows highlighting and commenting the notes - much better than having those as footnotes to a text. In some cases this may even be necessary due to different publishing rights for the bible text itself and the notes.
Have joy in the Lord!
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Maybe I'll find a work around.
The multiple resources display helps. I use that display quite often but have not really learnt how to use it.
The tool is like a minefield, never could predict when it works and when not, but usually after some trial and error it works.
You use the button surrounded by a dotted line and the upside down triangle in this picture.
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Veli Voipio said:
The multiple resources display helps. I use that display quite often but have not really learnt how to use it.
Yes - but David is trying to do this on Android which doesn't have this capability.
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David J. Ring, Jr. said:
Maybe I'll find a work around.
David - have you tried setting up a split panel on your Android?
With one half the Bible and the other the notes
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How does the NJ. with Complete study notes compare/contrast with the Catholic Study Bible (NAB)?
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Yes, I figured it out. I stumbled upon the split screen by accident, I never really knew hot to do this before - it has some sort of icon at the top of the "screens" of the books that are open and if you click that, you can add another book. You can do the same thing outside of Verbum/Logos Android with Chrome browser and other compliant applications. Not well documented but I found several confusing how-to pages about it.
All is fine now, I have the top and the notes in the bottom, even better than scrolling back and forth.
Excellent - what notes - amazing I can even open the Ignatius Study Bible - which has several OT books and the entire NT in another window.
The amount of notes is amazing. That's why I love the NJB. I had the original edition signed by Salvador Dali who did the artwork.
Thanks,
DR
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
I am so pleased with the implementation, well done.
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