Last Time for 15% on Logos 6. Logos 7 Coming Soon?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790793#Comment_790793

Is this an indicator that Logos 7 is around the corner?

No. Not "around the corner." A reasonable guess would be late fall of 2016.

Lynden O. Williams

Seriously doubt that Logos 7 is around the corner. Logos 6 was released in November of last year, I anticipate that Logos 7 will be released around the same time.

Simon’s Brother

This has been discussed in another thread and a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales. It's the old tell the customer this price will never be seen again to create interest. If we expect 15% in the future there is no incentive as a customer to take up the offer now if we are on the fence as to whether to purchase or not.

Bruce Dunning

Like many others, I seriously doubt if Logos 7 is coming soon. For sure "Last Time" is a motivation tool to encourage people to purchase now.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790793#Comment_790793

a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.

The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790815#Comment_790815

The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

Well that clarifies it for sure. Perhaps we will have less speculation about Logos 7 for at least a while.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790821#Comment_790821

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790824#Comment_790824

Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...

That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790815#Comment_790815

a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.

The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

(Not that I think Logos 7 is imminent, just that I don't think I've seen Faithlife employees rule that out.)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790824#Comment_790824

Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.

You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.

Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790843#Comment_790843

Well, I'll join in the gossip and say that I smell a beta too! [:P]

Jim Erwin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790843#Comment_790843

This is why I wrote this thread. I was shocked about the L6 release date. It took me by surprise. I was planning to upgrade my L5 and all of a sudden they tell me to upgrade to L6 and plans changed. Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790841#Comment_790841

I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original [:P]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790843#Comment_790843

Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.

You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.

Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...
That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."

I am sorry to all MVPs if I offended you. I sincerely appreciate your volunteer contribution to Logos Forums. I wish I could be more useful here. It wasnt my intention to label you as "missleading". I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

Good point. I never saw any Logos employee responding with a snide remark to him, so we could be more charitable. However they did delete his posts on more than one occasions, so I do believe they really did not want him posting those leaks. I don't think it was a marketing strategy. So I don't think there's anything wrong in pointing out that it was wrong of him to do what he did. But he's a human being too, and the marvelous grace of our loving Lord is greater than all our sin. So, I forgive you, Everett. You were of course right, as you knew you would be. And as I (being a beta tester) knew too. Kind of. I mean approximately, with more and more accuracy as the time got closer. But I wasn't allowed to say anything about it. I do think you were guessing at first (hence your wrong guess about October 1). But I do think you had some real inside information, screen shots of the real thing, etc. And I don't think you did any lasting harm to Logos by sharing it. In fact, you might have benefited them by increasing the anticipation. And perhaps that's why we're all having trouble getting on the website today. So much excitement that everyone wants Logos 6 NOW... [:-)]

BTW, much of my pretend anger towards Everett during the lead-up to today was my attempt at deflecting any suspicion that I knew anything or that he was onto something. If I went overboard in being brutal, I apologize.

and see this;

I am personally on a Logos 7 alpha test program, but I am under strict and binding agreements not to tell anyone.

And you've just broken your side of the agreement, so they've booted you out. Sorry.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/91904/644598.aspx#644608

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/85543/599731.aspx#599757

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790885#Comment_790885

Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later.

If Logos 7 is released this Spring it will likely result in lacklustre sales. With the Christmas sales and the new payment plan requirements not a lot of people will be able to afford an early release. For that reason I don't believe we will see a Spring release.

I could envision an expansion of Logos Cloud in January.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790888#Comment_790888

I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original

It's been lightly edited, but that's all. The original post can be seen here: https://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?u=164930

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790891#Comment_790891

I hadn't seen that post from Rosie before. I can understand why you said what you did in the light of that. But there is a difference between trying to undermine someone who is deliberately causing trouble through provocative posts, and deliberately misleading the community generally. I suspect there's only been one case of the former, and I don't think there's been any case of the latter.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790891#Comment_790891

I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle.

L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.

The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790907#Comment_790907

I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle.

L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.

The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software).

Thank you alabama24 and Mark for clarification!, I assumed in the light of the links posted above that you know more information than it actually is. But as of now I understand that even IF you collaborate on L7 beta, you still dont know release time.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790907#Comment_790907

...The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.

During the L6 release date speculation, it was the same argument:

1. Three year stable cycle

2. Denominational packages were just released

see a comment two weeks before L6 release:

From a a marketing perspective releasing logos 6 in the immediate near future would be a bad move in my opinion. Now I am sure they have new datasets, new tools, ect., but they just released their denominational based packages. I doubt they have exhausted their market pull for those packages yet. I think a year would be the best bet.

but as we know, it was released anyway

PS: Matt 24:36 Faithlife version "“But about that day or hour of L7 no one knows, not even the MVPs in forum, nor Bradley but only Bob". [:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790916#Comment_790916

Yes, but Faithlife did mention a 2 year cycle after the release of L6.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790929#Comment_790929

Yes, but Faithlife did mention a 2 year cycle after the release of L6.

They sure did.

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790965#Comment_790965

Here's a quote from Bob that addresses the timeframe:

"There is no L7 timeline yet. But it's a good guess that we won't go longer than 2 years (the time between 5 and 6) and also a good guess we won't go less than one year (because that's pretty fast and stuff takes time)."

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790978#Comment_790978

Here's a quote from Bob that addresses the timeframe:

"There is no L7 timeline yet. But it's a good guess that we won't go longer than 2 years (the time between 5 and 6) and also a good guess we won't go less than one year (because that's pretty fast and stuff takes time)."

according to his post, it could be earlier than 2 years.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790983#Comment_790983

My speculation on the matter although in general I consider such speculation a waste of time. When Logos 7 is released there will need to be enough Logos Now features that cannot be included in it to keep value in Logos Now. And there must be enough new features in Logos 7 to make it sufficient value as to encourage upgrades. When those two conditions will be met I have no idea ... but I am quite sure we are not there yet.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790916#Comment_790916

PS: Matt 24:36 Faithlife version "“But about that day or hour of L7 no one knows, not even the MVPs in forum, nor Bradley but only Bob".

Chuckle of the day.

Joel Tamburo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790916#Comment_790916

Actually at this point I would think the value would be not in trying to create ever more new features but instead in streamlining the use processes for the ones already in place, as well as reducing the resource requirements of the software. Make Logos more efficient and using less memory and storage - that will create value.