Last Time for 15% on Logos 6. Logos 7 Coming Soon?

The Logos advertisements promote the fact that this will be the last time that Logos 6 will be discounted 15%. Is this an indicator that Logos 7 is around the corner? When Logos moved from 5 to 6, there was a confusion about the change. The complaints I read was that there was not enough communication to the customers about the change. I wonder if Faithlife is hinting that they will make a change to Logos 7. What are your thoughts?
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Jim Erwin said:
Is this an indicator that Logos 7 is around the corner?
No. Not "around the corner." A reasonable guess would be late fall of 2016.
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Seriously doubt that Logos 7 is around the corner. Logos 6 was released in November of last year, I anticipate that Logos 7 will be released around the same time.
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This has been discussed in another thread and a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales. It's the old tell the customer this price will never be seen again to create interest. If we expect 15% in the future there is no incentive as a customer to take up the offer now if we are on the fence as to whether to purchase or not.
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Like many others, I seriously doubt if Logos 7 is coming soon. For sure "Last Time" is a motivation tool to encourage people to purchase now.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.
The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.
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Jack Caviness said:
The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.
Well that clarifies it for sure. Perhaps we will have less speculation about Logos 7 for at least a while.
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That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."Wild Eagle said:Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...
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Jack Caviness said:Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.
The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.
I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927
(Not that I think Logos 7 is imminent, just that I don't think I've seen Faithlife employees rule that out.)
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Wild Eagle said:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.
You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.
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Well, I'll join in the gossip and say that I smell a beta too! [:P]
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This is why I wrote this thread. I was shocked about the L6 release date. It took me by surprise. I was planning to upgrade my L5 and all of a sudden they tell me to upgrade to L6 and plans changed. Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later.
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Mark Barnes said:
I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927
Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original [:P]
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Mark Barnes said:Wild Eagle said:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.
You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.
alabama24 said:
That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."Wild Eagle said:Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...
I am sorry to all MVPs if I offended you. I sincerely appreciate your volunteer contribution to Logos Forums. I wish I could be more useful here. It wasnt my intention to label you as "missleading". I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:
Rosie Perera said:Good point. I never saw any Logos employee responding with a snide remark to him, so we could be more charitable. However they did delete his posts on more than one occasions, so I do believe they really did not want him posting those leaks. I don't think it was a marketing strategy. So I don't think there's anything wrong in pointing out that it was wrong of him to do what he did. But he's a human being too, and the marvelous grace of our loving Lord is greater than all our sin. So, I forgive you, Everett. You were of course right, as you knew you would be. And as I (being a beta tester) knew too. Kind of. I mean approximately, with more and more accuracy as the time got closer. But I wasn't allowed to say anything about it. I do think you were guessing at first (hence your wrong guess about October 1). But I do think you had some real inside information, screen shots of the real thing, etc. And I don't think you did any lasting harm to Logos by sharing it. In fact, you might have benefited them by increasing the anticipation. And perhaps that's why we're all having trouble getting on the website today. So much excitement that everyone wants Logos 6 NOW... [:-)]
BTW, much of my pretend anger towards Everett during the lead-up to today was my attempt at deflecting any suspicion that I knew anything or that he was onto something. If I went overboard in being brutal, I apologize.
and see this;
Rosie Perera said:alabama24 said:I am personally on a Logos 7 alpha test program, but I am under strict and binding agreements not to tell anyone.
And you've just broken your side of the agreement, so they've booted you out. Sorry.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/91904/644598.aspx#644608
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/85543/599731.aspx#599757
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Jim Erwin said:
Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later.
If Logos 7 is released this Spring it will likely result in lacklustre sales. With the Christmas sales and the new payment plan requirements not a lot of people will be able to afford an early release. For that reason I don't believe we will see a Spring release.
I could envision an expansion of Logos Cloud in January.
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Jack Caviness said:Mark Barnes said:
I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927
Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original
It's been lightly edited, but that's all. The original post can be seen here: https://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?u=164930
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I hadn't seen that post from Rosie before. I can understand why you said what you did in the light of that. But there is a difference between trying to undermine someone who is deliberately causing trouble through provocative posts, and deliberately misleading the community generally. I suspect there's only been one case of the former, and I don't think there's been any case of the latter.
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Wild Eagle said:
I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:
For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle.
L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.
The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software).
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alabama24 said:Wild Eagle said:
I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:
For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle.
L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.
The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software).
Thank you alabama24 and Mark for clarification!, I assumed in the light of the links posted above that you know more information than it actually is. But as of now I understand that even IF you collaborate on L7 beta, you still dont know release time.
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alabama24 said:
...The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess.
During the L6 release date speculation, it was the same argument:
1. Three year stable cycle
2. Denominational packages were just released
see a comment two weeks before L6 release:
Robert Peters said:From a a marketing perspective releasing logos 6 in the immediate near future would be a bad move in my opinion. Now I am sure they have new datasets, new tools, ect., but they just released their denominational based packages. I doubt they have exhausted their market pull for those packages yet. I think a year would be the best bet.
but as we know, it was released anyway
PS: Matt 24:36 Faithlife version "“But about that day or hour of L7 no one knows, not even the MVPs in forum, nor Bradley but only Bob". [:)]
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Yes, but Faithlife did mention a 2 year cycle after the release of L6.
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MJ. Smith said:
Yes, but Faithlife did mention a 2 year cycle after the release of L6.
They sure did.
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Here's a quote from Bob that addresses the timeframe:
"There is no L7 timeline yet. But it's a good guess that we won't go longer than 2 years (the time between 5 and 6) and also a good guess we won't go less than one year (because that's pretty fast and stuff takes time)."
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Reuben Helmuth said:
Here's a quote from Bob that addresses the timeframe:
"There is no L7 timeline yet. But it's a good guess that we won't go longer than 2 years (the time between 5 and 6) and also a good guess we won't go less than one year (because that's pretty fast and stuff takes time)."
according to his post, it could be earlier than 2 years.
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My speculation on the matter although in general I consider such speculation a waste of time. When Logos 7 is released there will need to be enough Logos Now features that cannot be included in it to keep value in Logos Now. And there must be enough new features in Logos 7 to make it sufficient value as to encourage upgrades. When those two conditions will be met I have no idea ... but I am quite sure we are not there yet.
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Wild Eagle said:
PS: Matt 24:36 Faithlife version "“But about that day or hour of L7 no one knows, not even the MVPs in forum, nor Bradley but only Bob".
Chuckle of the day.
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Actually at this point I would think the value would be not in trying to create ever more new features but instead in streamlining the use processes for the ones already in place, as well as reducing the resource requirements of the software. Make Logos more efficient and using less memory and storage - that will create value.
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Joel Tamburo said:
Actually at this point I would think the value would be not in trying to create ever more new features but instead in streamlining the use processes for the ones already in place, as well as reducing the resource requirements of the software. Make Logos more efficient and using less memory and storage - that will create value.
I am all for "optimizing," and despite the fact that FL continues to "optimize" the engine, it will continue to be one of the most intensive programs you use. "Optimizing" the software won't sell base packages... new features will.
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Since the software engine itself is (eventually) given away for free, optimizations cannot be the basis of a new release. There have to be new features, datasets, capabilities, etc. That said, improvements of any kind, even if "just" to the engine are always welcome!
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I read a very interesting answer to this on the Logos Resales forum on Facebook - you can see that here. I think his first response may be on to something. I think with the Logos Now will work like the Logos Beta program. We will keep seeing upgrades (We are at Logos 6.8) until we get to Logos 7. But since there are only two more numbers to go and the cycle seems to be upgrading every six to eight weeks, I suspect that after March Madness we will see a push for Logos 7.
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Jim Erwin said:
But since there are only two more numbers to go and the cycle seems to be upgrading every six to eight weeks, I suspect that after March Madness we will see a push for Logos 7.
It has been stated by Faithlife that there is no reason to stop at 6.9. We could easily see 6.10, 6.11 and so forth - so the numbering system doesn't help in trying to predict what is going to happen.
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Jim Erwin said:
I suspect that after March Madness we will see a push for Logos 7.
Maybe seven months after MM.
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Jim Erwin said:
We will keep seeing upgrades (We are at Logos 6.8) until we get to Logos 7
This has been mentioned already in a few threads. The problem with it is that the different numbers in the software version are independent of one another. It will go 6.10, 6.11, 6.12, etc. You don't roll the first number up when the second hits 10. As an example, I am running Mac OS 10.11.2, and a few years ago, there was a Mac OS that went to 10.4.11 before the next major version came out.
A Faithlife employee pointed out that they don't have to switch to 7.0 after 6.9 here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/116826/767017.aspx#767017
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Amen Joel! But it shouldn't come as part of an upgrade. It shouldcome as a sore package in order to make efficient what we already own.
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