Mind Mapping program integration
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I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
If you agree go to the following link and vote for ir. let's see if we can get this high on their list of things to do![:D]
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Were up to 4 votes now. Who else would like to see the ability to create mind maps inside Logos?
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I agree, even if we could just download a graphic into Notes (like a JPEG file). This is the 1st time I have viewed this thread. Here is my take on this topic as a High School teacher. Some of the "mind maps" in this thread are pretty complicated. I have been trained by a company called "Thinking Maps" that is fairly small. They use a simpler process that involve 8 basic cognitive processes tied to only 8 different graphic organizers that help students learn. I have been using these thinking maps in my World History and Amer. Govt. classes, and they have been extremely helpful in getting the students to process information in these very "content-oriented" subject areas. It is important to be able to teach all types of students from advanced to novice about the Bible. Personally I have been using these thinking maps in my own personal biblical studies. The following is an example of a Comparison and Contrast (one of the 8 basic cognitive processes) Thinking Map.. The pinkish text shows how John the Baptist and Jesus are similar, and the the text attached to each individual shows differences. The text in green highlight shows how to get a student into Level 2 or even Level 3 thinking...DAB
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I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
If you agree go to the following link and vote for ir. let's see if we can get this high on their list of things to do!
Were up to 115th now!. Let's keep it going
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Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
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Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
I'm also an avid mind manager user.
If we push for this mind mapping functionality aren't we likely to end up with something far inferior than we get with an application whose sole purpose is mind mapping? And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps. I'm typically not a fan of a one program to rule them all approach. However convince me how this would be a good thing and I'll avidly support it.
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And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps.
I see several of the visual tools as part of a basic Bible app in the same sense that the sentence diagrams are. I will admit that the Logos sentence diagramer is not as strong as some specialized software - it is up to the users to determine if it is sufficient. My personal first choice would be the ability to integrate diagram tools that use XML into Logos through the XML. My second choice would be to copy the diagrams into Logos notes - and have the text automatically indexed for searches. My third choice would be to copy the diagrams into notes or the sentence diagramer and manually enter search fields.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
I'm also an avid mind manager user.
If we push for this mind mapping functionality aren't we likely to end up with something far inferior than we get with an application whose sole purpose is mind mapping? And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps. I'm typically not a fan of a one program to rule them all approach. However convince me how this would be a good thing and I'll avidly support it.
Chris, while you may use the functionality of Mind Manager many of us don't/wouldn't use all of those capabilities. While the Logos version probably wouldn't be as robust I don't want to shell out a couple hundred more bucks for another program. The only thing I use mind mapping software for is sermon/lesson prep I would like it already inside the bible study software I already use. I would like to be able to reference them the same as notes and have it integrated with the resources in logos. I don't want to have to copy and paste and create links between the 2 programs.
If you would require addition functionality that Mind Manager gives you then by all means use it but for me I don't need it. I would prefer to have it integrated into logos.
God Bless
Stephen[:)]
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I just started using MindNode for Mac (free) and I really like it. Mind mapping really seems to help a non-linear thinker like myself get my study notes, sermon points, teaching concepts down, and convert it to a teachable, preachable format. I never show the Mind Map w/ the congregation, as it would probably just confuse them... but it truly seems to help me get my thoughts to a linear presentable sermon.
That being said... I would LOVE it if Logos found a way to interweave something like this into their software. That would be amazing!!
Here is a same of my mind map for last Sunday's sermon on Jonah 4.1-4: http://www.portagechurch.org/jonah4mindmap.pdf
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Bob, I just started using MindNode myself (I like the price [;)] free!) If you would like to see it included in Logos go to the like below and vote for it!!!
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(I don't think there were any ladies on this thread):
Yes, there is: MJ. And even if they don't post, they may read!
Yes, they [we] do, thank you Dan! [:)]
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what advantage do other programs have over whats available for free?
Another free mapping application is called VUE being developed at Tufts University. Below is a video about using VUE as a presentation tool. I have not tried it but the presentation capabilities look pretty nifty. VUE seems to be actively being developed.
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(I don't think there were any ladies on this thread):
Yes, there is: MJ. And even if they don't post, they may read!
Yes, I've been of the female persuasion since day 1.[H]
I use Inspiration for mind maps partially because I can label the connecting lines. That permits me to use it for argument maps etc. as well. However, there is a type of "outlining" (Warnier-Orr) that it does not support which I also really like to use.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
What exactly do you have in mind? From your comment I gather you would like to have a mind-map format for notes?
Have a great day,
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I don't think it makes sense to have the Logos team spend time on something that is already well done in other programs. I am an avid mind mapper having used hand drawn techniques, Compendium, and now Mindmanager since version 7. There are many other mind mapping packages out there and they all have different strengths. By definition, mindmapping is very unique to the user and the situation.
The best implementation, IMHO, would be a way to integrate between Logos and various mind mapping programs. For instance, the ability to import mind maps into Logos to be indexed and have the scripture all tagged would be great. A logos toolbar to install in the mind mapping s/w would be very handy also. Something that would automatically convert all scripture references (like RefTagger, or the old macro's that were floating around for Word 2000 by Andrew Mckenzie: LDLS_Word2000_XP.dot, anybody figured out how to use that in word 2007?).
A solution like this (importing, indexing, and toolbars) has more potential to help a wider variety of users using a wider variety of 3rd party tools. In addition, this would seem to be a smaller endeavour technically and thus more likely to happen, without detracting from the main thing, Bible software.
Ask for this instead and it's possible it will also create more momentum for the similarly requested features for MS Word (converting scriptures to hyperlinks, popups, and/or full quotes, and other toolbar buttons).
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This is an interesting thread, but most of the "maps" I've seen here strike me as being themselves rather confusing. I use L3 notes to do basically what everyone here is doing with other programs. The "maps" I create in L3 have the advantage over the stuff I see in this thread because my note maps are RIGHT IN MY BIBLE. I suppose there are things L3 doesn't do, but I don't really think about it since I am able to do nearly all I want...with a couple of exceptions. I STILL WISH I COULD CREATE SCROLLABLE POP-UP NOTES IN L3...but I don't see that happening.
But who knows, at some point I may decide this kind of software can help, and there's lots of good info here to consider. Thanks for the input, everyone.
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This is an interesting thread, but most of the "maps" I've seen here strike me as being themselves rather confusing.
That's a common reaction. It's a matter of finding the format that best fits the way you think - and then learning to read the form. Remember that school spent time teaching you to read pie charts, bar graphs, outlines, sentence diagrams ... a younger generation is learning mind maps, tree diagrams, graphic organizers, fishbones ...At the very least Logos needs to support the various ways that high school and college freshman study course teach the students to take notes. (IMHO, of course)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have been using Inspiration and Mindjet for a very long time. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I preach using a Kindle, so I do my thinking, research and outline in the Mindjet or Inspiration, then convert them to MS Word. (I don't know how well the free programs work, but both of these do a great job) One advantage Mindjet has is you can set MS Word styles for the conversion, so your word document is formatted correctly when you make the conversion, In case you haven't looked at it, www.journeyed.com is an educational software supplier that carries both programs, with a hugh discount.
Once you really start using a mind mapping program, you will get addicted to it and begin using it for more and more reasons. Good Luck!
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- the ability to import mind maps into Logos to be indexed and have the scripture all tagged would be great.
- A logos toolbar to install in the mind mapping s/w would be very handy also.
- Something that would automatically convert all scripture references (like RefTagger,...).These sound good to me.
I'd like to have an ability to create a link in MindManager, or Word for that matter, that takes me directly to a location in a resource in Logos 4. In other words, the ability to bypass Logos notes and clippings but have the same linking capability from an external program.
I'd also like to be able to create a bibliography and connect to it through an external program. Right now I use Favorites as a way to build a bibliography for a topic. I'm suggesting being able to link a favorites folder to an external program (in my case Mind Manager) such that the folder contents would show up in the external program and would change as it is changed inside Logos. Plus each entry in the external program would be a link to that resource inside Logos. (It would be ok if there was a "refresh" macro in the external program instead of automatic dynamic update of the contents.)
Have a great day,
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@ David Paul, I agree with M.J. (at least on the familiarity/training issue). Additionally, one of the true benefits of the map is in the process of creating it. Those unique and odd "shapes" that they take on as they are being created add a visual element which is not present in purely linear, text-only notes. That extra visual element does wonders for retention. for that same reason it is important that the mind mapping tool has much to offer in the way of graphical additions. It's not just fluff, it's there to aid retention and recall. Many people mistake mind mapping as just another way to do an heirarchichal outline. If that's all it is, then it's not all that exciting. This is another reason why I'm in the camp of Logos introducing ways to connect to 3rd party applications rather than having a built-in version, that would probably be nothing more than an outliner with some lines and boxes.
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Hi Jim,
We met at Camp Logos this summer, how have you been?I like your ideas. I'm reminded on one simple thing that really bugs me. Currently if I just highlight, copy, paste from Logos to MS Word or ppt, logos is really cool in that it includes footnotes and a citation. No such feature in MM :-(.
I think i like your idea of cross linking. What do you mean by what's in Logos would update in external app? All I can think of is Notes, did you have other items in mind?
Lastly, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by being able to create a link which would open a resource in Logos to a particular location. We already have that feature. Do you mean with less clicks?
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Steve K, from Mar of last year: Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice work! Any progress on getting the ver 4 api opened up?
I'm very interested in seeing more, feel free to contact me srvjav at juno dot com. Thanks!
Collaboration by Logos with guys like you for tools like this would do a lot for the user community. I still haven't ever found any decent macros for Word to replace the ones Andrew Mckenzie did for logos 3 and word 2000.
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
After several months of silence, this thread came alive a few weeks ago, picking up where we left off last March.
I have made very good use of my MindManager Tools for LDLS 3. But, unfortunately, I don't have them to share. They are not ready for prime time. I have posted a few more examples, however.
http://www.shkaminski.com/Church/
I'm not a programmer. I built these because I needed them. I would love to share them, but they I don't know how well they would work on another computer.
I would very much like to see this level of integration in Logos 4, but there is no API yet (as far as I know). The new web API may provide some help.
Perhaps we can bug the Logos folks to make some accomodation.
Steve Kaminski
Steven Kaminski
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One of MM's problems is that they don't have a low cost entry solution. Here's a few links to other tools. I don't know much about them, but have been intending to evaluate them.
Here is an additional list of free mind mapping tools that I discovered yesterday - I originally posted the link to my Facebook wall, but thought there might be some interest here.
Blessings,
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Ok, I do have one question though. I tried Buzan iMindMap but when it came to power point presentations I really had to start creating my presentation in EXTRA LARGE mode and just put a few main points with some verses as subpoints or else the presentation would look small on the screen. It looked kind of small already even though I had created the presentation extra large on my computer.
Now, to my question: Do you guys use your mind map mainly to study and organize your thoughts for your sermon or do you actually take your mindmap to the pulpit and project it on a screen? I just wonder because some of your mind maps have too much information packed in them and I doubt that that will be legible to people even if you put it on power point.
Anyway, any tips on how to actually use a mind map on power point for Sunday sermons would be helpful.
Blessings!
Douglas
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they are a bit pricey, but check out http://www.creationengine.com/html/pl.lasso?s=mind and order it through your church, school, or other non-profit. At those prices it is worth every penny.
I ordered through creation engine for church-related work and fell in love with it so much I was working on convincing my engineering VP to let me get a copy for my department. I called Mindjet and they said as long as I owned the license it was no problem, even if I had procured it under the non-profit, assuming I was qualified to do so, which I am, then they had no issues with me using it in additional environments.
Plus the full version price at creation engine is only $10 more than the upgrade so when I upgraded I bought the full version instead, freeing up the older version for another guy in our church. In the meantime, the CEO of the engineering company I was with saw the value and went and bought the full enchilada from Mindjet directly (no non-profit discount of course).
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I'm glad to see all this interest in mindmapping. I haven't read this post thoroughly, but has anyone mentioned the iThoughtsHD app for iPad? I use it a lot for personal projects and with groups (video out to a projector) for brainstorming, strategic planning, etc. It's very inexpensive, and I highly recommend it. Although it probably wouldn't mesh well with L4...
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Inspiration 9 software has a built in presentation mode that can easily be integrated into a power point presentation. It is an affordable program with a solid set of features.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It is an affordable program with a solid set of features.
The demos show lots of mouse clicking. Is it keyboard friendly or is this a program for mouseketeers only?
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Is it keyboard friendly or is this a program for mouseketeers only?
It has a full array of keyboard shortcuts.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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