Great Books of the Western World
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Paul Budiardjo said:
For starter, the Christian idea of the resurrection of the body is treated in the Syntopicon under Chapter 38: IMMORTALITY, Topic number 5g (The resurrection of the body).
@Steve, @Paul and interested others,
Upon investigating Paul's report, I became interested to know why Logos Search failed to return hits for resurrection as it was present in the heading referenced in the Syntopicon. So, I reran the Search. I must have been too anxious to get at the Great Books, for the second Search on resurrection returned hits on 30 resources. Patience is an essential ingredient in dealing with Logos as well as knowledge-ability and persistence. [8-|]
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Volume number isn't included in the title. I kind of like to keep things organized with that. I know I can add tags or change the title, but does anyone else wish they already showed up in the library?
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MJ,
I'd like to use the Reading List for the GBWW. Got a link?
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I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
Great Books are color coded for easy reference
GREEN: Novels, Short Stories, Plays and Poetry
Volume 3 Homer Volume 4 Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes Volume 12 Virgil Volume 19 Dante, Chaucer Volume 22 Rabelais Volume 24 Shakespeare l Volume 25 Shakespeare ll Volume 27 Cervantes Volume 29 Milton Volume 31 Molière, Racine Volume 34 Swift, Voltaire, Diderot Volume 45 Goethe, Balzac Volume 46 Austen, George Eliot Volume 47 Dickens Volume 48 Melville, Twain Volume 51 Tolstoy Volume 52 Dostoevsky, Ibsen Volume 59 Henry James, Shaw, Conrad, Chekhov, Pirandello, Proust, Cather, Mann, Joyce Volume 60 Woolf, Kafka, Lawrence, T.S. Eliot, O’Neill, Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Brecht, Hemingway, Orwell, Beckett
RED: Philosophy and Religion
Volume 6 Plato Volume 7 Aristotle l Volume 8 Aristotle ll Volume 11 Lucretius, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius, Plotinus Volume 16 Augustine Volume 17 Aquinas l Volume 18 Aquinas ll Volume 20 Calvin Volume 28 Bacon, Descartes, Spinoza Volume 30 Pascal Volume 33 Locke, Berkeley, Hume Volume 39 Kant Volume 43 Hegel, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche Volume 55 William James, Bergson, Dewey, Whitehead, Russell, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Barth
BLUE: History, Politics, Economics and Ethics
Volume 5 Herodotus, Thucydides Volume 13 Plutarch Volume 14 Tacitus Volume 21 Machiavelli, Hobbes Volume 23 Erasmus, Montaigne Volume 35 Montesquieu, Rousseau Volume 36 Adam Smith Volume 37 Gibbon l Volume 38 Gibbon ll Volume 40 J.S. Mill Volume 41 Boswell Volume 44 Tocqueville Volume 50 Marx, Engels Volume 57 Veblen, Tawney, Keynes Volume 58 Frazer, Weber, Huizinga, Levi-Strauss
GREY: Mathematics and Natural Sciences
Volume 9 Hippocrates, Galen Volume 10 Euclid, Archimedes, Nicomachus Volume 15 Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler Volume 26 Gilbert, Galileo, Harvey Volume 32 Newton, Huygens Volume 42 Lavoisier, Faraday Volume 49 Darwin Volume 53 William James Volume 54 Freud Volume 56 Poincare, Planck, Whitehead, Einstein, Eddington, Bohr, Hardy, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Dobzhansky, Waddington
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James C. said:
I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
James, thanks for sharing how you tagged these as I have not yet tagged mine. Perhaps you could help me understand why you chose to use the same colour code as I can see the value in a printed book but can't quite see it here since you are also using the written tags of the actual topic e.g. "RED, philosophy, religion"
I was thinking of creating a tag that specifically applied to the 60 volumes like GBWW as well as the topic. Then, if I wanted to search for books on philosophy, I would just use the GBWW and philosophy tags to have them listed together. But I see you didn't use an overall tag for this set so you probably just wanted to see them by colour. I'm just exploring the value of using the colour tags.
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Bruce Dunning said:James C. said:
I tagged the set with the color code from Britannica (RED, GREEN, BLUE, GREY). I also tagged each color according to the designation given (Math, Science; Religion, Philosophy; ect.). Then I changed the short title of each to the correct Volume Number.
James, thanks for sharing how you tagged these as I have not yet tagged mine. Perhaps you could help me understand why you chose to use the same colour code as I can see the value in a printed book but can't quite see it here since you are also using the written tags of the actual topic e.g. "RED, philosophy, religion"
I was thinking of creating a tag that specifically applied to the 60 volumes like GBWW as well as the topic. Then, if I wanted to search for books on philosophy, I would just use the GBWW and philosophy tags to have them listed together. But I see you didn't use an overall tag for this set so you probably just wanted to see them by colour. I'm just exploring the value of using the colour tags.
First let me say that I often over tag my books. Second my tags often "evolve" over time.
But to answer your question directly, the reason I tagged these with the color code was so I could see quickly which books were placed under which general category. My plan is to go back and tag each individual book with its proper tag. For example in the collection under GREEN there are Short Stories, Plays, Novels, and Poetry. Not every book in that general category is actually a book of poetry or a novel. So the color code, which I will keep, gives me the general categories while the tags "poetry, ect." will limit these even further.
I was in a rush this morning so I tagged each book with a color and then just selected each color group and gave them the general tags "History, Politics, Economics and Ethics".
Hope that makes sense.
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James C. said:
First let me say that I often over tag my books.
Thanks for responding. There is nothing wrong with overtagging.
James C. said:But to answer your question directly, the reason I tagged these with the color code was so I could see quickly which books were placed under which general category. My plan is to go back and tag each individual book with its proper tag. For example in the collection under GREEN there are Short Stories, Plays, Novels, and Poetry. Not every book in that general category is actually a book of poetry or a novel. So the color code, which I will keep, gives me the general categories while the tags "poetry, ect." will limit these even further.
I was in a rush this morning so I tagged each book with a color and then just selected each color group and gave them the general tags "History, Politics, Economics and Ethics".
Thanks for taking time to explain things more. That makes sense and is helpful.
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Steve said:
Ahh ... Osiris. Perhaps. Is Egypt the East? Maybe?
Since Ptolemy is covered by the GBWW, I assume Egypt is West.
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An excellent collection. I'm very pleased.I have two remarks.
1. For Android users: The resources don't download on Logos version 4.3.9, therefore an up to date device is required.
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
It would really be great if the referneces, as long as the various works exist in the GBWW, could also be kept inside the GBWW as much as possible. Especially the syntopicon would really benefit from that.
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Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
It would really be great if the referneces, as long as the various works exist in the GBWW, could also be kept inside the GBWW as much as possible. Especially the syntopicon would really benefit from that.
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
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There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set.
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David E Haeuser said:
There is a 10 year reading list, conflating the two editions of the set, that Britannica had published, at this web site: http://www.greatconversation.com/10-year-reading-plan . While we wait for MJ's list this may give an entrance into the study of the set.
I've not found any reading plan that I've considered satisfactory with the exception of the graded plan for the Gateway to the Great Books series. Therefore, at the moment I have no intention of going beyond the check list format of the Reading List. The Sacred Books of the East I will take a somewhat different approach to because multi-volume works are not necessarily adjacent volumes so some arrangement by religious group will be used. I do have the scaffolding of a reading list up for the Harvard Classics ... but today is my (formerly youngest) grandson's high school graduation ... formerly because he now has a 2 week old younger brother. So the amount of progress you should expect today is close to zero.
If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.
You might check out http://www.thegreatideas.org/gip.html#Volume6 as a starting point for reading ...
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MJ. Smith said:
If anyone has the Gateway to the Great Books series and could send me the lists of books in appendix II and III - recommended novels and recommended anthologies of poetry I would greatly appreciate it.
MJ,
Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books. The source pictures are included at the bottom if you want to double-check stuff.
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thank you very much
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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SineNomine said:
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)
Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance
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Jan Krohn said:SineNomine said:
Are these links resource-specific, or is it a matter of your library's prioritization?
Since I don't own those works, it'd be an interesting task to prioritize them ;-)
Anyway, since the concluding reference list at the end of each article is linked correctly, those references in the articles are rather a minor annoyance
I own the resource outside the Great Books, but what I don't understand is why it links to the outside resource and not the resource inside Great Books. The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
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Matt Hamrick said:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Matt Hamrick said:
The Syntopicon should link to resources inside the Great Books first; without having to prioritize anything.
In Logos this is most easily achieved by the Logos default priorities when the user has not prioritized the resources.
Although books for which a user has a license should be (normally are?) automatically prioritized above books for which no license is possessed.
Also, if these links are designed to go to a specific edition of the works in question and these specific editions are not the Great Books editions, then there has been a colossal linking failure that needs to be corrected ASAP.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Jimmy Kinnaird said:
MJ,
I'd like to use the Reading List for the GBWW. Got a link?
Tools ==> Bible Reference ==> Reading Lists ==> All Lists
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Greg Masone said:
Here's a Word file with a rough OCR of the text of the books.
Thank you ... they are now in the reading list ...
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MJ. Smith said:
they are now in the reading list ...
Thanks so much for doing all your work to do this. Now begins the reading. [:)]
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Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Jan Krohn said:
2. Many references link to resources outside of the GBWW, although the same resource is also part of the GBWW. Some examples, the first article in the syntopicon (Angels) has references to Milton's Paradise Lost (okay, I assume almost everyone has that anyway), and to Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov (which is a bigger problem).
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. The References section of the syntopicon lists only items that are in the GBWW and when I try the links you mention, I get hard links to the GBWW - there are no datatypes established to support multiple versions. When I tried someone like Homer who does have a datatype, I still go to GBWW but an see the datatype in the reference box. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion, I don't understand what you see that is incorrect. Are you clicking on the page numbers for the link? Could you post screen shots? Thanks.
I haven't had a chance to look at this super closely (and unfortunately I'm out for the rest of the day) but I think I know what's going on here. Our resources require external links to point to a single (and it can be only one) resource ID. Reference tagging tools prefer cases where a book lives as a single resource with a single ID. It doesn't do well with anthology resources where a single book might co-exit with three other books.
In this case the link is a completely valid and not-incorrect link to a resource you don't own. Unfortunately, in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.
I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
... in this case it would probably be better to have an "internal" link to the ID in this series.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:I'll take a look at what the best course of action here might be and respond tomorrow.
Thank you.
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay, let's step back a bit as I think I misunderstand something. ... Could you post screen shots?
Screen shot here:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126880/826240.aspx#826240
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Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given. I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal. I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay - I do not expect "real" links within the text when no specific reference is given.
Yes, in a case such as the example currently under discussion active links are unexpected and even in this case the basis for tagging the text appears arbitrary, no links to Job or Faust. This tagging is also not particularly helpful, linking to the title page of a resource and not to the relevant passage.
To be clear I mean the tagging appears arbitrary from a functional standpoint. The basis, as Kyle explained above, is probably not arbitrary from a technical standpoint since neither Job nor Faust are available as a standalone text with a unique resource ID.
MJ. Smith said:I expect a bibliographic entry that will link to any version.
This is an ideal that as I understand from Kyle's post is presently technically un-achievable.
MJ. Smith said:I had been checking in the reference section where I would expect the links to be internal. I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
I think this is a special case. I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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JAL said:
I believe a greater number of customers will benefit from tagging in GBWW if this tagging links to the content in GBWW when the content is present there. Thus I think in this case internal links are preferable.
Yes, internal links are preferable.
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MJ. Smith said:
I'd prefer my priorities be recognized esp. if I prefer to read in the original language.
MJ. at first blush it seems this series (GBWW) has been tagged well ("topic searching/factbook support" is forthcoming: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126970/826507.aspx#826507).
Getting to the original language, or alternative, text of content for which there is a consistently applied reference scheme is often simply a matter of choosing from the parallel resources dropdown.
I'm not able to post a screenshot so I will describe an example to follow. If from the list of references for topic 1 of the idea Angel you select the linked reference for Aquinas in GBWW volume 17 (331-332) and in the resource panel where the linked reference opens next select the parallel resources dropdown, can you choose to open the Latin Summa Theologica text to the same passage?
In comparison to your stated preference this requires additional steps but given the technical constraints Kyle mentioned I think it is what can be expected.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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JAL said:
In comparison to your stated preference this requires additional steps but given the technical constraints Kyle mentioned I think it is what can be expected.
I agree although I am consistently disappointed with regards to the datatypes required for generics links ... they are making progress on the church fathers but ...
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