ESV Permanent Text Edition 2016
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I really feel for the people who have been disturbed by some of the changes in the ESV. I checked Gen 3:16 also and it has indeed been "updated". Such changes over the years to modern Bibles have left me with little or no faith in them or the scholars that advocate for them. For many years I looked down on the King James Bible for its anachronisms, but for all that, today I trust it more than the collection of other Bibles I have in my Logos library. People may disagree with me and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
All this shows the importance of prioritizing our Bibles in our Logos 7 to accord with how we approach the authority of our preferred Bibles - as all Bibles are not equal nor will they ever be. Keep well Paul
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I haven't connected my laptop to the internet yet, so I still have the old readings. What I may do is copy the verses that are going to change and make them into a note so I can see them when reading down the road.
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TY For Noticing the visual filters problem.. I rarely feel the need to use them and would not have noticed for months... Let us hope that LOGOS will send an update for this also.. I have 4 ESV's including one audio version.. only one was updated.. the ESV audio Bible, the ESV Study Bible and the high definition ESV N.T. remained the same..
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In the text itself:
The Classic Reference Edition, English Standard Version® (ESV®)
Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles,
a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers
All rights reserved.The Holy Bible, English Standard Version
Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles,
a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers
All rights reserved.ESV® Permanent Text Edition® (2016)
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The old tried and true KJV is still the King. Pardon the pun.. corrections made to it (IMO) are badly misguided .. these so called updates have added nothing ever to the message which my soul received by and through the 'OL KJV.. I do read others but always find them inferior in quality of content and style.. I reiterate: I do read other versions but not with the view in mind of correcting the KJV.. No argument has ever proven to me the necessity to have to correct the King's Bible... They all seem to me to be arguments of emotion rather than substance.. Usually the complaint is that it is too hard to understand or read because the language is so archaic.. rarely is it ever pointed out to anyone that a beginning Bible reader needs to study any version anyway, so why not the king's English also.. The KJV says so many things soo much more accurately.. The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English.. Why is it that new Christians are discouraged from learning the beauty and accuracy of a language which has never been equaled nor surpassed in the worlds of literature anywhere in the world or in any other language.. Though I am not KJV Only, I am most definitely KJV First.. it has never let me down.. yet the so called scholars of other versions have always done so inevitably..
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The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English..
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The old tried and true KJV is still the King. Pardon the pun.. corrections made to it (IMO) are badly misguided .. these so called updates have added nothing ever to the message which my soul received by and through the 'OL KJV.. I do read others but always find them inferior in quality of content and style.. I reiterate: I do read other versions but not with the view in mind of correcting the KJV.. No argument has ever proven to me the necessity to have to correct the King's Bible... They all seem to me to be arguments of emotion rather than substance.. Usually the complaint is that it is too hard to understand or read because the language is so archaic.. rarely is it ever pointed out to anyone that a beginning Bible reader needs to study any version anyway, so why not the king's English also.. The KJV says so many things soo much more accurately.. The modern English language simply lacks the verbal tools to equal the accuracy inherent in the King's English.. Why is it that new Christians are discouraged from learning the beauty and accuracy of a language which has never been equaled nor surpassed in the worlds of literature anywhere in the world or in any other language.. Though I am not KJV Only, I am most definitely KJV First.. it has never let me down.. yet the so called scholars of other versions have always done so inevitably..
There is much wisdom in what you have said Rev Dr Ortega.
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I don't want to be a party-pooper, but this thread is heading towards violating the Forum Guidelines (see points 1 & 2 here). Once we start debating the rights and wrongs of the KJV we get onto very emotive territory, and will be generating a lot more heat than light. I have some very strong views on both the KJV and the latest ESV changes , but they should be aired on christiandiscourse.com or in Faithlife groups, not here (and I don't get into online debates anyway - I prefer the face-to-face sort).
I'd respectfully ask those who want to debate these issues or air their views on what they perceive as the "real" Bible to do so in the appropriate place, and leave this thread so that we can find out what Faithlife is actually doing about the current ESV débâcle.
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I really feel for the people who have been disturbed by some of the changes in the ESV. I checked Gen 3:16 also and it has indeed been "updated". Such changes over the years to modern Bibles have left me with little or no faith in them or the scholars that advocate for them. For many years I looked down on the King James Bible for its anachronisms, but for all that, today I trust it more than the collection of other Bibles I have in my Logos library. People may disagree with me and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
All this shows the importance of prioritizing our Bibles in our Logos 7 to accord with how we approach the authority of our preferred Bibles - as all Bibles are not equal nor will they ever be. Keep well Paul
The KJV was "updated" and revised a number of times. The one most commonly used today dates from the 1790s.
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I haven't connected my laptop to the internet yet, so I still have the old readings. What I may do is copy the verses that are going to change and make them into a note so I can see them when reading down the road.
Ronald,
Please let us know if you are successful in your efforts. This will be much appreciated, at least by me. I didn't want to way in yesterday on this issue because I was too effected by the way things turned out.
The ESV woes peculiar as they are humorously justify my reluctance to have the edition (I would have said my, but this sadly seems not to be the case) "updated."
I hope what I have said will not be viewed as out of bounds for the forums, but just this little venting I think I'm due. I trust all the consequences of this "update" will be duly handled by FL soon.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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I just want to write my agreement with this thought.. the ESV is so new as it goes with translations.. I would prefer the option to purchase both editions as separate editions rather than lose the one I originally started with.. I may have to realign my theological thinking if the difference is drastic enough... It has happened before with other translations.. but either way I guess it will be for good also.. but let us keep both...
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What I may do is copy the verses that are going to change and make them into a note so I can see them when reading down the road.
Here's a link to the ESV Text Updates (2016)
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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in the ESV Text Updates (2016) numbers 14:42 are absolutely identical in the previous and permanent text versions.... There is an error somewhere.. Perhaps in the original. I would not doubt it one bit.. Let's be careful.. too often we quote official sources, (so called) blindly, and way too often the matter does not merit it.. Here is an example par excellence..
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Thank you for doing the research and sharing that updates link with us all.. It is greatly appreciated...
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in the ESV Text Updates (2016) numbers 14:42 are absolutely identical in the previous and permanent text versions.... There is an error somewhere.. Perhaps in the original. I would not doubt it one bit.. Let's be careful.. too often we quote official sources, (so called) blindly, and way too often the matter does not merit it.. Here is an example par excellence..
The difference is in the capitalization of "LORD". The previous version had "Lord", whereas the permanent text has "LORD" (in small caps).
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What I may do is copy the verses that are going to change and make them into a note so I can see them when reading down the road.
Here's a link to the ESV Text Updates (2016)
Thanks.
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you're quite right... Having been to seminary for soo many decades repeating the years so often just because I enjoy it soo much, I should have caught that ... It makes a world of difference whether the name is all caps or not.. It points to a different Hebrew original.. I have no excuse other than I have not slept for a week since my lovely dear sweet wife was put into ICU .. She is still there and iffy and she is my world and my cheer leader in my walk with GOD.. Please pray for us.. I am trying not to worry and trying to stay positive.. Thanks again.. Shalom...
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I have not slept for a week since my lovely dear sweet wife was put into ICU .. She is still there and iffy and she is my world and my cheer leader in my walk with GOD.. Please pray for us.. I am trying not to worry and trying to stay positive.. Thanks again.. Shalom...
I'm so sorry to hear that this is happening in your life. May the Lord be with you and your wife bringing His manifest presence, healing, comfort and strength to you and your wife. May she be healed completely and restored to you. I pray this in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Be assured that I will pray for you both and I'm sure that others here will also do so. Take care Paul
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I have not slept for a week since my lovely dear sweet wife was put into ICU .. She is still there and iffy and she is my world and my cheer leader in my walk with GOD.. Please pray for us.. I am trying not to worry and trying to stay positive.. Thanks again.. Shalom...
I'm so sorry to hear that this is happening in your life. May the Lord be with you and your wife bringing His manifest presence, healing, comfort and strength to you and your wife. May she be healed completely and restored to you. I pray this in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Be assured that I will pray for you both and I'm sure that others here will also do so. Take care Paul
I join Paul in prayer for restoration for both you and your wife. May Christ's healing power be released to you both in his matchless name Amen.
Concerning your trouble sleeping, a visit to your primary doc is advisable.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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After a thoughtful review of the changes made to the 2011 ESV edition, I conclude that the majority of the changes made were constructive. Some could be seen even as corrections to an error like Eze40.14 or even the aforementioned Num14.42. However, I strongly disagree with the change made to Gn3.16. Another change I think didn't go far enough; 2Sa23.34 all of the "of" place references should have been rendered to "ites" for the sake of both clarity and consistency.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Here is what I did with the ESV changes. I copied the 2011 text and made it into a note that will show up in the ESV.
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