What specific benefits

Good question, Michael.

Based on my use, here are the top five in each category that I wouldn't like to be without in the future if that can be avoided:

5 Datasets:

New Testament Use of the Old

Greek Grammatical Constructions

Systematic Theologies Section

Biblical Theologies Section

Systematic Theologies Section

5 Features:

Link a Lexicon to a Bible

Corresponding Words Visual Filter

Multiview Resources

Emphasize Active Lemmas

Greek Grammatical Constructions guide section

5 Interactives:

Hebrew Bible Manuscript Explorer

New Testament Manuscript Explorer

Septuagint Manuscript Explorer

New Testament Use of the Old Testament

Commandments of the Law

Some of these intersect (datasets feed features or interactives), so there are really less than 15 new items, but that should give you an idea.

That is helpful, Mark. Regarding datasets 3, 4, and 5 in your list, am I correct in understanding that with both the old and new versions of Logos Now, the benefit/value of those last three datasets is dependent on the size and nature/contents of your library? I.e. Logos Now will provide the datasets, but the value a person derives from them is largely dependent on the resources a person "owns". It's not like a subscription to the Logos Cloud which would also increase the effective size of your library, thereby giving you more content for those datasets to work with/from.

Everett Headley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837546#Comment_837546

The only feature that I found that I really enjoyed was the Systematic Theology dataset. It was almost worth it just to keep it for that. The resource previews never interested me, nor did anything else. FWIW, I have opted to not go with LogosNow over waiting for a package or crossgrade when L7 releases.

Mark Barnes

of Logos Now are most helpful to you? It might help some of us reconsider whether or not we want to subscribe / join or not. Thanks.

In this order:

Multiview — I thought this was pointless initially, but I use it all the time. It's value is in the ability to create saved multiview layouts that I can switch between with one click from the shortcuts bar — it means I can add in new Bible versions into my layout in a second, rather than in 30 seconds. That saves me several minutes each week, and has saved hours in total.
Concordance — I don't use this all that often, but there's no other way of getting an overview of an entire resource.
Media B rowser — This is a great way to find online media
Datasets, especially New Testament Use of the Old Testament, and Addressees in Reported Speech — these let me answer questions I couldn't easily answer before.
Visual Filters, especially Emphasize Active Lemmas and Corresponding Words — little features, but I use them often.
Courses Tool — I use the Courses tool a lot, as I really like the ability to mark off what I'd studied in MobileEd.

The biggie for me is multiview. I'd pay $100 just for that, because it's such a time saver over the long-term. I use it dozens of times a day.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837570#Comment_837570

I have the Hebrew Discourse Datasets, I open a Bible (e.g. NKJV or ESV) go to visual filters but nothing on Hebrew Discourse available only the proposional outlines. Is that one and the same? I'm supposed to have access through my membership but can't seem to figure it out. Seems like it's the same to me but in the video it says Discourse and not propositional outline. Help!

DAL

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837580#Comment_837580

The Discourse dataset is a separate set of items under the visual filters

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837582#Comment_837582

The Discourse dataset is a separate set of items under the visual filters

Thanks MJ! I'll double check tomorrow again when my laptop is on and done with a windows update.

G'night!

DAL

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837491#Comment_837491

Mark Smith has provided an excellent list. My usage is not quite as broad:

Multiview Resources—For me, this alone is worth the price of Logos Now
Link Lexicon to a Bible
Greek Grammatical Constructions (Created visual filters for those I felt were most significant)
Corresponding Words—though this can sometimes be annoying [:P]
Concordance—I Should remember to use it more.

If I took time to explore some others, my list would probably grow [:$]

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837546#Comment_837546

Regarding datasets 3, 4, and 5 in your list, am I correct in understanding that with both the old and new versions of Logos Now, the benefit/value of those last three datasets is dependent on the size and nature/contents of your library? I.e. Logos Now will provide the datasets, but the value a person derives from them is largely dependent on the resources a person "owns". It's not like a subscription to the Logos Cloud which would also increase the effective size of your library, thereby giving you more content for those datasets to work with/from.

First of all, I see now that I listed the systematic theologies dataset twice, so I only have four top datasets.

Now to your question: yes these two (eliminating the repeat) give results dependent on the size and nature of your library. They return hits from your library alone.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837602#Comment_837602

According to your screenshot, MJ, the discourse datasets should be under corresponding words, but is not showing. I checked the rest of the menus with different Bible versions, but nothing. This is starting to get aggravating. It seems like some features downloaded and others didn't. Do I need to own/buy something else to make it functional?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837813#Comment_837813

Do you have these datasets? Help --> About ...

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT
2016-04-25T21:04:03Z
DISCOURSE-GNT.lbssd

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL
2016-05-05T20:22:44Z
DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL.lbssd

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-HOT
2016-04-25T21:04:59Z
DISCOURSE-HOT.lbssd

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837815#Comment_837815

Do you have these datasets? Help --> About ...

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT
2016-04-25T21:04:03Z
DISCOURSE-GNT.lbssd

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL
2016-05-05T20:22:44Z
DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL.lbssd

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-HOT
2016-04-25T21:04:59Z
DISCOURSE-HOT.lbssd

These? Yep, they read the same as yours. I just copied them and pasted them from my end. So, I don't understand why they're not showing then.

DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT 2016-04-25T21:04:03Z DISCOURSE-GNT.lbssd
DB:SD-DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL 2016-05-05T20:22:44Z DISCOURSE-GNT-SBL.lbssd
DB:SD-DISCOURSE-HOT2016-04-25T21:04:59Z DISCOURSE-HOT.lbssd

Edit: I even have the proverbs browser No. 2 = DB:SD-PROVERBS-BROWSER-VOL-2 2015-12-11T01:20:26Z PROVERBS-BROWSER-VOL-2.lbssd and it doesn't seem to be showing either.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837818#Comment_837818

What Original Language Bibles do you have? The announcement says "* Please note that the discourse dataset was developed for the NA28 and the SBLGNT. Accordingly, if you enable the visual filters on a Byzantine Greek text or translation heavily dependent on the Byzantine textual tradition (e.g. KJV), there may be significant discrepancies between the data within this dataset and the text itself. "

Edit: I even have the proverbs browser No. 2 = DB:SD-PROVERBS-BROWSER-VOL-2 2015-12-11T01:20:26Z PROVERBS-BROWSER-VOL-2.lbssd and it doesn't seem to be showing either.

This appears in the Proverbs Browser as references outside the book of Proverbs.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837820#Comment_837820

On the Proverbs Explorer the window shows the same as your screen shot. On the other versions, e.g. ESV, NIV, etc. the Discourse for Green and Hebrew do not show under the visual filter. It's like it's missing even though I have the datasets. In the video they show the Discourse dataset in action with ESV and NIV and they say you can use any version, but nothing on my end.

Adam Borries (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837821#Comment_837821

DAL,
The Proverbs v2 is simply an update with additional content for the same interactive resource.

Discourse Datasets/Visual Filters should indeed work in ESV, NIV, and other Bibles with reverse interlinears. It looks like the version of Logos you have installed is out of date. Just type Update Now into the Command bar to download the current version, and that should fix the problem.

You may also want to make sure you have automatic updates turned on to avoid this problem in the future:
Tools>Program Settings>Automatically Download Updates: Yes. Download Between Midnight and Midnight.

After updating, restart the application for the changes to take effect.

Rick Brannan (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837821#Comment_837821

DAL --

If someone has asked this question, I've missed it: What version of Logos do you have? (Help -> About Logos Bible Software). If you're up to date with shipping code, it should be 6.13. If you're on the beta, it should be 6.14. The Discourse stuff is supported in 6.12 and beyond.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837835#Comment_837835

Adam and Rick,

I have had Automatic Updates running between Midnight and Midnight all along. I click the update command and a message tells me no updates are available, no updates were found. So apparently, somewhere between version 6.7 (This is what I have ~~>Logos Bible Software 6.7 6.7.0.0036) and 6.14 things stopped updating. Only books I've purchased have downloaded and it went through a lengthy indexing last week (about 4 hours).

So I hope this information helps!

DAL

Adam Borries (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837925#Comment_837925

DAL,

Thank you, and sorry about the problem.

Close Logos, and install the update manually by running the setup file. That will install 6.13, and hopefully also resolve the automatic-update issue. If you have any additional problems, it'll be time to give a call to our excellent support team: 1-800-875-6467

--Adam

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837928#Comment_837928

DAL,

Thank you, and sorry about the problem.

Close Logos, and install the update manually by running the setup file. That will install 6.13, and hopefully also resolve the automatic-update issue. If you have any additional problems, it'll be time to give a call to our excellent support team: 1-800-875-6467

--Adam

Thank you Adam! I'll go ahead and follow your advice. If it doesn't work, then I'll call support team.

DAL

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837930#Comment_837930

Thank you Adam! Problem solved! It seems like everything is there now. If I run into something else, I'll just call the support team. For now the Discourse Datasets for Greek and Hebrew are showing just fine. Thank you again and have a blessed weekend!

DAL

Ps. Thanks to MJ, Rick, Andrew and Bradley who were on point trying to help. They were just waiting for the extra info that was needed in order to figure out what the problem was. You guys are super!