Logos Now from Logos 6 and quite confused.
I Waited. I read most of the threads. I read most of the marketing materials. Still little has made sense following my purchase of Logos Now yesterday. (Sorry this got so long)
I have owned Logos for a very long time. Have many resources. Was not sure I would like the LN thing but saw the banners saying that if I am a subscriber I will get 10% of libraries and 25% off feature sets.
So I thought that if the pair I was looking at (standard silver and full feature set) would get that additional discount I would buy LN. Then I would buy the pair to get the additional resources and so I would OWN the future set. Figured LN would provide some additional resources and the online version of the software.
After purchasing LN (only) I opened up Logos 6 on my computer to see what would happen. It upgraded me to Logos 7. Did not expect that. I thought I would have to go to the online version for Logos 7 new features and until I bought my Silver and feature set I would still have Logos 6 on my computer. Then I saw 102 resources got downloaded. Looked at the list. (Already shared in a different thread my dismay when 40 or so were for other religions. Kind of thought I bought LN from the wrong place. Those were easily hidden.) Among the other resources I saw what looked to be new versions of Bibles and such that I already had. Since I closed that little pop-up I cannot tell you exactly what I got.
My plan was to go now and pick the library I want and buy the full feature set. I have no idea if I will stay with the subscription. I like owning these items. But now when I look at the drop downs for pricing a library I do not have an option to buy a feature set since I have it with LN. Well that is nice but what if I cancel LN. I am no longer subscribed so I no longer get the 25% off for the feature set but can’t buy it for any price anyway.
Bottom line is that I paid $90. I do not know what new to me resources have been added but I do not want the Hindu, Buddhist or Islam stuff. Not sure how to figure out what I got. Apparently I can’t own the features set now. At least when I open Logos it does show Logos 7.
Can I view a list of what resources are new to me?
Which will last beyond the month?
Is it possible to get the feature set for 25% off so I own it or is that just a completely silly idea? What does this mean then?
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You can buy the feature set by searching for it in the store. Here's a link: https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=feature+set
The Eastern Texts that downloaded yesterday were part of this month's free previews. The licenses will expire after a month. https://www.logos.com/now-preview-resources
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Not sure if this helps, but I asked the question in this thread about whether there is an advantage to purchasing the Full Feature Set (FFS) if you were a "now" member. Mark Barnes gave a concise answer ... no.
Basically, if you are a "Now" member you have all the "7" features and continue to receive "8" Features every 6 weeks or so. Being a "Now" member also gives you free monthly previews which Russell mentions and that you have seen.
You can but a "7" library if you want. That would be bundled resources (at a discount) - separate from the FFS.
There is a post in the Logos 7 forum that has the complete list of "Now" features, datasets, media, etc. If you are first time member those would all be new to you. I believe.
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SHotchkiss said:
I want and buy the full feature set. I have no idea if I will stay with the subscription. I like owning these items. But now when I look at the drop downs for pricing a library I do not have an option to buy a feature set since I have it with LN.
Your questions make complete sense. You were thinking clearly about the L7 options offered - and have pinpointed the place where the site still needs revision: no option to add FFS for cost (or disclaimer that FFS not included) on the Base Package/ Library product pages for Logos Now members.
With love and respect, IMO FL "threw themselves a curve" by retaining Base Package terminology (always meant 'Books + Features') for LN members, many new - causing confusion even for FL, https://community.logos.com/forums/p/129645/843265.aspx#843265). Perhaps BP language was inherently trickier for L7, w/ new emphasis on (and expansion of) 'Membership'. Just a thought.
BTW, my experience has been similar to yours - bought LN and a Library, and intend to buy FFS later. [H]
Grace and peace. <><
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Robert said:
BTW, my experience has been similar to yours - bought LN and a Library, and intend to buy FFS later.
I intend to do the same thing. I purchased Now and a Library. I then purchased the Starter Feature Set upgrade, as it was only about $20. That brought the FFS upgrade down to about $100, which I'll have to save up for
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Russel Taylor said:
I intend to do the same thing. I purchased Now and a Library. I then purchased the Starter Feature Set upgrade, as it was only about $20. That brought the FFS upgrade down to about $100, which I'll have to save up for
Russel, hmm...good optional Feature Set strategy for the 'buy FFS at some point' crowd. [Y] Hadn't considered that - thanks!
Grace and peace. <><
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Russel Taylor said:
I purchased Now and a Library. I then purchased the Starter Feature Set upgrade, as it was only about $20.
I'm not understanding something ... If you subscribed to a Now membership you have all the Features you can have for the next year. Why would you buy the Starter Feature Set?
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Steve said:
Why would you buy the Starter Feature Set?
To own it.
"Logos Now" ≠ "Full Feature Set." Logos Now is a membership program. ONE feature of that program is access to all feature sets past, present and (as they are developed) future. There are a number of other benefits as well.
An analogy: Why would you purchase Movie X on blue-ray when it is on Amazon Prime free to stream? To own it.
(Personally, I am fine with renting features, so I am not inclined to purchase the feature sets.)
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Steve said:
... If you subscribed to a Now membership you have all the Features you can have for the next year. Why would you buy the Starter Feature Set?
Some people want to but the Feature Set as well so they continue to have them if they stop subscribing.
I dont know if that is the reason here
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Steve said:
I'm not understanding something ... If you subscribed to a Now membership you have all the Features you can have for the next year. Why would you buy the Starter Feature Set?
Some people (including me) like to own the features. Even though I have a Now membership, I think of its value as online features + upcoming features.
Russel Taylor said:[I intend to do the same thing. I purchased Now and a Library. I then purchased the Starter Feature Set upgrade, as it was only about $20. That brought the FFS upgrade down to about $100, which I'll have to save up for
My FFS is still $150 after also buying the Starter, like you.
Why is there such a price difference, since we both own Starter? My discount comes out to $363 for products I own, plus $85 Special Logos 7 Savings for LN members.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Steve said:
Is there a Feature in any of the Feature Sets that is not in Now?
No
But there are some features, such as Bible Browser, that are in Logos Now but not in either of the feature sets
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Graham Criddle said:Steve said:
Is there a Feature in any of the Feature Sets that is not in Now?
No
But there are some features, such as Bible Browser, that are in Logos Now but not in either of the feature sets
OK. That is what I thought. I see now that I've done a poor job of phrasing my question properly. Sorry. [:(]
As far as the functionality of the software goes, there does not appear to be any advantage (except when the Now membership expires and ownership is in play).
I was trying to tease out, by asking Russel, if there was any other (monetary?) advantage to subscribing to Now and purchasing a Feature set at the same time.
(I'm with Alabama in terms of renting the Features versus owning.)
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Why 25% off features for LN members?
Why incentivize it if useless?
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SHotchkiss said:
Why 25% off features for LN members?
Why incentivize it if useless?
I don't know that I would characterize as useless. I could see a scenario, as Mark has pointed out, where you are toward the end of your Now subscription and you've decided not to renew. If you would want to keep the Features without Now renewal you could get a good discount, own the Features, and not have any future subscription costs.
I'm guessing without any facts, but I think Faithlife is providing flexibility for a variety of users with differing situations of Now membership or no membership.
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PetahChristian said:
My FFS is still $150 after also buying the Starter, like you.
Why is there such a price difference, since we both own Starter? My discount comes out to $363 for products I own, plus $85 Special Logos 7 Savings for LN members.
I must have owned more than you, going in... My discount for products I own is $432.
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Steve said:SHotchkiss said:
Why 25% off features for LN members?
Why incentivize it if useless?
I don't know that I would characterize as useless. I could see a scenario, as Mark has pointed out, where you are toward the end of your Now subscription and you've decided not to renew. If you would want to keep the Features without Now renewal you could get a good discount, own the Features, and not have any future subscription costs.
This is exactly the scenario I am going to attempt to insure against. I know myself well enough to bet that I won't be able to renew when the time comes. But I wanted to try Now too!
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Russel Taylor said:
I know myself well enough to bet that I won't be able to renew when the time comes. But I wanted to try Now too!
So why not wait until month 11 of your Now subscription to own? In other words, why do it at the same time ... Now and own?
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PetahChristian said:
My FFS is still $150 after also buying the Starter, like you.
Why is there such a price difference
It might be that Russel may have owned a higher level base package than you have in the past and so may have already owned more of the features in the starter feature set.
For me the costs are as follows:
Logos 7 Starter Feature Set (L7 SFS) $14.06 USD
Logos 7 Full Feature Set (L7 FFS) $112.86 USD
Verbum 7 Starter Feature Set (V7 SFS) $19.39 USD
Verbum 7 Full Feature Set (V7 FFS) $110.71 USD
Part of the discrepancy on the Logos 7 v Verbum SFS for me is that the Verbum Starter set has Reverse Interlinears that are for Catholic bibles that are not in the Logos 7 SFF but are included in the Logos 7 FFS. Note there are lots of other differences to the price differential between the two and this is just one example, though the both offer me 36 new features/resources For the FFS , L7 FFS offers me 96 new features/resourceswhile the V7 FFS offers me only 86 new one.0 -
If I buy now I save $45.00 due to spending 90.00
In 11 months I pay more.
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SHotchkiss said:
If I buy now I save $45.00 due to spending 90.00
In 11 months I pay more.
True, but the key, I think, is why? Does the Now discount change? (I guess anything is possible, but that aspect is not making sense to me.) If I am a Now subscriber and I am offered a 25% discount today to buy 7 Features, what advantage is there to a 25% discount in month 11? I think the answer is that there are 7 Features + 7 releases of new Features (6 week iterations) ... but still at 25% discount. Yes, there may be more out-of-pocket but you have more Features. No?
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Steve said:Russel Taylor said:
I know myself well enough to bet that I won't be able to renew when the time comes. But I wanted to try Now too!
So why not wait until month 11 of your Now subscription to own? In other words, why do it at the same time ... Now and own?
I bought the starter feature set now to decrease the FFS price later. But I don't want to wait too long to get the full set because if I "can't" renew Now, then I certainly can't get the full set! I shouldn't be spending so much money on this software when I don't have a decent savings built up.... lol
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Steve said:
If I am a Now subscriber and I am offered a 25% discount today to buy 7 Features, what advantage is there to a 25% discount in month 11? I think the answer is that there are 7 Features + 7 releases of new Features (6 week iterations) ... but still at 25% discount. Yes, there may be more out-of-pocket but you have more Features. No?
A Logos 7 Feature Set will be discounted to Logos Now members at 25% off of its regular (or your Dynamic) price. This offer is unlikely to change in the the foreseeable future.
The Logos 7 Full Feature Set already contains all the resources it will ever have. i.e. If you purchase it the day before we release Logos 8, it will contain the same resources it contains today.
One of the advantages of a Logos Now membership is that the new features that are released on a 6 week cycle are made available for you to use. Those features become part of Logos 8, not part of Logos 7.
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Russel Taylor said:
I bought the starter feature set now to decrease the FFS price later. But I don't want to wait too long to get the full set because if I "can't" renew Now, then I certainly can't get the full set! I shouldn't be spending so much money on this software when I don't have a decent savings built up.... lol
I get the "savings built up" part. Been there. [Y]
So .. "too long" would mean at the time the Now subscription has expired. Correct?
Today you have Now and the $20 Feature Set that you own. (You own a subset. Nothing new or different.)
What does the FFS cost before expiration? In other words, what's the difference?
Aren't you paying for what you own and what is new?
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Steve said:
I get the "savings built up" part. Been there.
So .. "too long" would mean at the time the Now subscription has expired. Correct?
Today you have Now and the $20 Feature Set that you own. (You own a subset. Nothing new or different.)
What does the FFS cost before expiration? In other words, what's the difference?
Aren't you paying for what you own and what is new?
Honestly, I realize that I'm kind of paying for the 7 Features twice by getting Now and the feature sets. But curiosity compelled me to get Now while I can afford it, and I hope I can get enough discounts and stuff to make it worth it. But, I don't want to have to rely on being a subscriber in order to be able to stay somewhat up to date.
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Russel Taylor said:
Honestly, I realize that I'm kind of paying for the 7 Features twice by getting Now and the feature sets. But curiosity compelled me to get Now while I can afford it, and I hope I can get enough discounts and stuff to make it worth it. But, I don't want to have to rely on being a subscriber in order to be able to stay somewhat up to date.
Thanks for all your comments and the comments of others .. Glenn's most importantly. I'm somewhat confused as usual. It's helping me as well to talk through everything. I understand your reasoning now and that is what I wanted to explore. Alabama and Mark Barnes have provided much.
Thank you, Russel.
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No problem, Steve
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SHotchkiss,
You raised an really, really good question at the top of this thread. Thanks for doing that! [:)]
We've heard the replies and questions ... and more replies.
What say you? (I need to hear it. I'm not done until you are.)
Steve
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This all has me wondering: Will someone who owns the FFS for L7 pay less to own the FFS for L8 (when it comes out) than someone who does not own the FFS for L7? If so, that might be additional incentive to buy the FFS just in case one might think they'll eventually let their Now membership expire.
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Lew Worthington said:
This all has me wondering: Will someone who owns the FFS for L7 pay less to own the FFS for L8 (when it comes out) than someone who does not own the FFS for L7? If so, that might be additional incentive to buy the FFS just in case one might think they'll eventually let their Now membership expire.
Presumably yes.
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I have been at work offline and not able to check my dynamic pricing. In the second reply Russell pointed me to https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=feature+set . Prior to Logos Now my dynamic price for FFS was 129.xx . Just now when I checked it, having bought LN, it is $121.xx. So the 25% off may not be quite 25% or other dynamics changed the equation. I was expecting about $32.00 less. Probably agree that other relies lead me to think I should no worry about buying for now.
If I am sticking with LN keep in mind that my original question had some other parts.
Can I tell in my list of 3,000 resources which will disappear in a month?
Can I view a list of what resources are new to me?
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SineNomine said:Lew Worthington said:
This all has me wondering: Will someone who owns the FFS for L7 pay less to own the FFS for L8 (when it comes out) than someone who does not own the FFS for L7? If so, that might be additional incentive to buy the FFS just in case one might think they'll eventually let their Now membership expire.
Presumably yes.
Though we don't really know how much less.
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SHotchkiss said:
Can I view a list of what resources are new to me?
Check out the Feature Set product page. If you choose the New To Me dropdown, it will show you.
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That what is on the product page on the web site, I mean in my library that has been downloaded. I scrolled down through that and really can't tell what they downloaded to me. Well Except for the items from the other religions of the world set thing. Their names were all so strange they stood out.
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Features don't appear in the Library. They show up in the interface menus. Like the Tools and Guide menus
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Probably needed a separate thread. I had a message that my Logos 7 had download about 102 resources. 40 or so were that other religion stuff. I think some were new interlinear or updated ones. I think maybe we get a mEd. I really don't know since I closed that window. If I have the downloads for 30 days I would like to find them and try to read them. Scrolling through all these I just can't tell what is new. Sometime on my phone the icons are missing for new items but then the icon shows up. I can sort of note from there. I think there was a book on Theology.
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For the new library resources, you can sort it by the Last Updated. Also you can view the License Type. The Temporary licenses are the ones you are looking for.
You probably have to right-click on the column names to make the License Type column show up.
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Excellent. I had to go to Details view of the list. Then I could use Last Updated to see newest and License to see temporary.
Thanks to all for taking the time.
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As I see it, the two main benefits of LN are:
- Access to all current features plus new features as they're developed.
- Potential savings on future resources.
I've decided I don't want to depend on LN for access to the feature set, and as a lay-person, I don't know that I'd be as likely to buy as many resources as someone who's vocation is ministry, and therefore I think I'm also less likely to save enough in resource purchases to cover the cost of LN as is someone in vocational ministry.
Because I don't like the idea of renting forever and never owning, coupled with what I see as an "iffy" potential for saving enough on resources to pay for LN, the LN option is just not as compelling for me as it is for others who can justify perpetual rental based on the benefits they get with early access to features coupled with the savings they may well experience as a result of more resource purchases than I would make.
Now... if LN was set up as a rent-to-own model in regard to the feature set, I would definitely give it a try, even if I had to pay a little more in rental fees before finally owning the feature set. But to rent the features for an extended period of time and then still have to buy the features if I discontinue LN, without being reasonably confident that I will save enough in resource purchases to at least cover the membership fees just does not leave LN membership very compelling for me.
BOTTOM LINE: I do think LN is a wonderful option for many people, but less so for many others. But I'm very thankful that Faithlife is offering such a variety of options for its customer base. More than ever before, it seems to me there's a good option for just about everyone.
Thank you Faithlife!
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SHotchkiss said:
I have been at work offline and not able to check my dynamic pricing. In the second reply Russell pointed me to https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=feature+set . Prior to Logos Now my dynamic price for FFS was 129.xx . Just now when I checked it, having bought LN, it is $121.xx. So the 25% off may not be quite 25% or other dynamics changed the equation. I was expecting about $32.00 less. Probably agree that other relies lead me to think I should no worry about buying for now.
The key here would be that FFS was already discounted to some extent for you before you bought Now because of the introductory sale.
SHotchkiss said:Can I tell in my list of 3,000 resources which will disappear in a month?
In the Library View, add the License column and sort by type. The temporary licenses are for things you don't own; it should be fairly straightforward which ones (this month, Modern Christian Theology and a bunch of eastern religious texts) are from Logos Now.
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Bill Moore said:SineNomine said:Lew Worthington said:
This all has me wondering: Will someone who owns the FFS for L7 pay less to own the FFS for L8 (when it comes out) than someone who does not own the FFS for L7? If so, that might be additional incentive to buy the FFS just in case one might think they'll eventually let their Now membership expire.
Presumably yes.
Though we don't really know how much less.
I expect that the difference will be less than the full cost of the FFS but still substantial.
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