So...what would make you buy more books from Logos?
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Rosie Perera said:
I now have 139 books in my Theology collection in Kindle. I would have bought these all in Logos if I could have.
The big difference between my Logos and Kindle spending habits is that I generally only purchase Kindle books that I know I'm definitely going to read through. In Logos, I'm more likely to buy resources 'just in case', as I know they'll surface in guides and searches.
In 2016, I read nine books on Kindle, all of which I would prefer to have read in Logos...
- Praying the Bible
- The Way of the Righteous in the Muck of Life: Psalms 1-12
- The Heart Is the Target: Preaching Practical Application from Every Text
- Searching for Jesus: New Discoveries in the Quest for Jesus of Nazareth
- The Great Christ Comet: Revealing the True Star of Bethlehem
- Evangelistic Preaching
- A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years
- How to Walk Into Church
- The Pastor's Justification
(Some of these might be in Logos/Vyrso now, but they weren't when I purchased them.)
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David Paul said:
Nothing that OneNote or EverNote can do replicates this... In L3, every one of these note icons is capable of bringing up a complete screenful of pertinent and highly useful information, Johnny-on-the-Spot.
With proper integration, they could. That's the point I've been trying to get to/make, but Faithlife doesn't see the value, so it won't ever happen.
Russ
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Hi Mark Barnes:
" The Great Christ Comet" is in VYRSO at $22.00.
https://vyrso.com/product/55216/the-great-christ-comet-revealing-the-true-star-of-bethlehem
But being at 368 pages, this should have been a Full-blown LOGOS EDITION. This is a book that I also wanted to read as well, but I am very cautious at buying books in VYRSO these days, due to the lack of quality control by FAITHLIFE.
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Russ White said:David Paul said:
Nothing that OneNote or EverNote can do replicates this... In L3, every one of these note icons is capable of bringing up a complete screenful of pertinent and highly useful information, Johnny-on-the-Spot.
With proper integration, they could. That's the point I've been trying to get to/make, but Faithlife doesn't see the value, so it won't ever happen.
Russ
Can you point to one or more other programs/apps that are integrated with OneNote and/or EverNote in which you can do essentially what David Paul is describing?
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Rosie Perera said:
I now have 139 books in my Theology collection in Kindle. I would have bought these all in Logos if I could have.
I have just under 200, and the saddest (happiest) part is, with only three or four exceptions, I paid less than $3 for any of them. When the Kindle was first being pushed, there were a LOT of giveaways and huge discounts. I took advantage of all I could, and now have these, plus several hundred nonfiction and history books on my Kindle. Of the almost 600 books there, I have paid a total of about $160.
This will likely never be possible in Logos, so I continue to grab Kindle deals when they happen (which is much less often, these days).
Oh, and on the last sentence in Rosie's post- I have been able to get about five of them in Logos. Mostly because of unavailability, but probably 20% are available but too expensive. I don't mind doubling up when the book is very inexpensive on one of the platforms. But I will almost never pay $50+ for a book in Logos that I got for $3 or less on Kindle.
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David Paul said:
In L3, every one of these note icons is capable of bringing up a complete screenful of pertinent and highly useful information ... But this screen can be filled pretty much with anything text based, regardless of language, including fully formatted interlinear passages..
Concur Logos 7 and Verbum 7 limit the size of Note pop-up:
Also noted that copying interlinear passage of Genesis 1:1-5 from LHI with paste into Notes has very different appearance. Lemma, Transliteration lines, and Morphology are missing. Notes has Lexical Value and Literal English Translation lines while Inline Interlinear only had translation displayed.
"Work around" for full screen is opening Bible and Note file(s) in tabs within a full screen panel so click on Note indicator switches focus to Note file (brings that tab to the front). Click on Bible tab to change focus back to the Bible. Caveat: "work around" is two more mouse clicks than hover to show content. A setting to allow larger note pop-up would be appreciated.
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A tough choice for me is buying electronic versions of books I already own. The value is, then, not the content of the book. It is the ease of reference and integration with search tools and the ease of cut and paste to write papers and make notes. For example, I gladly bought the Harpercollins Bible Dictionary because it was an newer edition than what I owned and was well integrated as a dictionary resource within Verbum environment.
Some of the books I already owned were part of the base package that I purchased or upgraded to. Books I do use are unavailable such as Brown, New Jerome Biblical Commentary.
Textbooks or reference books recommended for courses I am takI got that i don't already own I buy based on value In the electronic environment and content, an easier decision.
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SineNomine said:
Can you point to one or more other programs/apps that are integrated with OneNote and/or EverNote in which you can do essentially what David Paul is describing?
Yes and No -- Outlook and Word can integrate in some similar ways, as can several rss readers and web browsers. All of these have components of what is needed here, but not the whole thing. OTOH -- I can describe precisely how it could be done. I can even do this manually today, but it takes too many copy/paste cycles, and pressing too many buttons. Once you figure out how to do it without streamlined tools, you can figure out what tools are needed to make it really work.
The problem is not the ability to do this -- it is that Faithlife sees no value in doing it.
Russ
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eggMark Barnes said:The big difference between my Logos and Kindle spending habits is that I generally only purchase Kindle books that I know I'm definitely going to read through. In Logos, I'm more likely to buy resources 'just in case', as I know they'll surface in guides and searches.
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Single books. The bundles may be good for some situations, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a bundle if I just want one or two books that are in it.
DEH
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David Housholder said:
Single books. The bundles may be good for some situations, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a bundle if I just want one or two books that are in it.
DEH
I am passing up DA Carson's EBC commentary for that reason. I just don't want to buy all EBC right now. Soon I will be moving past Matthew and won't come back for a while at that level. So it is.
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I would suggest a great idea would be offer course bundles, that is the course along with the resources or at least, the key resources for the course. You could buy the course or you could buy the course bundle. When you have a major Mobile Ed sale on, do an grade A promotion with optianal bundles with great savings.
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Wayne Donald Baker said:
I would suggest a great idea would be offer course bundles, that is the course along with the resources or at least, the key resources for the course.
[Y] Great idea!
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David Paul said:
One thing I can say for sure is that the idea of external notes is one big fat STINK BOMB.
David Paul said:Nothing that OneNote or EverNote can do replicates this...
I appreciate you giving this example. As someone who does use external notes, I CAN see how easy it would be to just click on the notes in the passage. Using external notes requires opening another program, pulling up the passage you are studying (if you happen to have notes on that passage) and working from there. And, these notes would not be linked to other potential references in your library. This isn't a major problem for me, given how I tend to study passages. However, I can see how it could be harder, if you study Scripture differently than I do.
The downside is exactly where you are. You are at the mercy of Logos, as they continually change their software, to try to keep things "fresh." If they decide "Notes" should be done differently, or aren't important on a new version, all those notes can become irrelevant once you are forced to update to newer versions. It is difficult.
Unrelated question: I was impressed by the quantity of information you have tucked into the text of a single passage. I can see how it would be useful, but I would have a terrible time just reading through the passage, to get an overall feel for it (I tend to be easily distracted). Made me wonder if, when you just wanted to read through a passage, what you do. Do you read the passage in a different version which doesn't have these notations, or have you just gotten used to it, so you can read through it without being distracted?
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Al Het said:
I appreciate you giving this example. As someone who does use external notes, I CAN see how easy it would be to just click on the notes in the passage.
Actually, the beauty and elegant efficiency of L3 is that you don't have to CLICK on anything...just hover and Presto!...a full screen of info related to your verse, passage, or word. If one screen-full isn't enough, just add another note.
Al Het said:Do you read the passage in a different version which doesn't have these notations, or have you just gotten used to it, so you can read through it without being distracted?
I have just gotten used to notes icons and other mark-ups; they don't bother me or slow my reading. Of course, these can be turned off if one wanted to read plain text. I actually find that the mark-ups enhance my comprehension, because my notes and colorizing of the text have the effect of chunking the text into memorable & easily digestible nuggets. Also, I am able to quickly find sections because I know the visual "feel" they have.
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David Paul said:
In L3, every one of these note icons is capable of bringing up a complete screenful of pertinent and highly useful information ... But this screen can be filled pretty much with anything text based, regardless of language, including fully formatted interlinear passages..
Concur Logos 7 and Verbum 7 limit the size of Note pop-up:
Unbelievably irrelevant to this conversation, but using an FL platform yesterday, reading a monograph, in the footnote pop up, the design accommodated literally 7 panels of text (really long footnote!). The same platform could only manage 2-3 verses in a reference pop up before demanding opening a full Bible; if a chapter, only its heading. So convenient.
Libby just can't stop winning, those Libronix coders were such geniuses, it truly amazes how they were able to embrace common sense with such finesse.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David Housholder said:
Single books. The bundles may be good for some situations, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a bundle if I just want one or two books that are in it.
DEH
I totally agree. I have the Complete Word Study NT and want the OT, but not all the other AMG books in the bundle. I would buy it now if it was available all by itself.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I have the Complete Word Study NT and want the OT, but not all the other AMG books in the bundle. I would buy it now if it was available all by itself.
If it will make you feel any better, I pretty much bought the AMG bundle just for CWS/OT (already had NT), and I find it isn't nearly as invaluable. TWOT is far more serviceable. You probably know this, but the OT dictionary is not written by Zodhiates and so it doesn't have his insight or attention to detail. His Greek background obviously didn't help w/ Hebrew.
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Jewish prayer books have been suggested as far back as 2011.
Carta would also be on the top of my list of resources to buy within Logos. Please vote for it [;)]
The Fire Bible is another popular suggestion which many people have voted for.
I would also buy a Jewish base package.
Thanks to everyone who has been working on procuring these items!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Carta would also be on the top of my list of resources to buy within Logos. Please vote for it
That is on many people's lists. Now we are just patiently waiting to see if Faithlife can work out something with them. This would be an amazing addition to Logos as, as the title of this thread reads it would make me buy more books.
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David Paul said:
Actually, the beauty and elegant efficiency of L3 is that you don't have to CLICK on anything...just hover and Presto!...a full screen of info related to your verse, passage, or word.
Ah yes. This is true. I was using the "click on" phrase in a somewhat generic way.
L3 was my favorite version as well. It lined up better with the way I take passages apart than the newer format. And, most of the additions since L3 have done nothing but slow down my system, and force me to take extra steps to get the information I want. However, upgrading my computer system has forced me out of it on my most used computer, and resources I have bought since won't show up on L3. I definitely lost some efficiency and usability.
I hope L3 works for you for a long time.
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It seems logical that the best answer is resources which appeal to one's interest. What those resources would have to be varies from person to person, of course.
As I said earlier, the Bicentennial Edition of Wesley's Works is at the top of my list. If any Bible Software program comes out with that, I will buy.
But I also would love more of Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones works, especially his Romans sermons. Also, Carta would tempt me.
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Two things I can think of: (sorry if it's a repeat, I have not read every post.)
1/ Maybe creating Suggested books for fields of studies or from notable Pastors, Theologians, and Church Leaders? It could even be a blog series about suggested reading lists, books that have most impacted these Church Leaders and Theologians personal walk or studies.
2/ Have more books! Of all my class text-books, only half are available in Logos. Having more books and updated editions of books would make me buy more. Even if they were available w/out the ValueAdded portion, I would buy them as a FL Ebook. I wrote a suggestion here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/171904/993047.
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Richard Villanueva said:
Have more books!
This is a suggestion straight from the desk of Captain Obvious, but the answer to "what would make you buy more books from Logos?" is fundamentally "MORE BOOKS IN LOGOS". I've bought dozens of books in the last year, some quite expensive, which are not available in Logos. If FL wants a piece of that action, they need to step up their offerings. Quite a few of the books I've purchased are CONSTANTLY mentioned in the bibliographies of books I already owned. These (Robert Alter's stuff is one example) are often CLASSICS in the Biblical Studies domain, and FL should short list about 100-200 such books and put them into production immediately regardless of PrePub status.
I have suggested this in the past, years ago, but the biggest priority for acquisitions should be the 100 titles that are most often mentioned by the resources that are already available in Logos. That list obviously includes a number of journals (Vetus Testamentum and Novum Testamentum are clear top candidates among others), but there are tons of books that are frequently cited by current Logos resources but which are not available in Logos. That is an almost criminal oversight.
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David Paul said:
This is a suggestion straight from the desk of Captain Obvious,
Funny you mention him, my office is adjacent to the good Captain and he asked me to post here! [;)]
David Paul said:Quite a few of the books I've purchased are CONSTANTLY mentioned in the bibliographies of books I already owned. These (Robert Alter's stuff is one example
Agreed! I'm not sure what the hold up is for this - is it licensing? Is it production time? Is it not knowing the demand? My understanding is that there are even books referenced in Mobile Ed courses that are not in Logos (someone will have to fact check me on that...) which, if true, is strange to me. Not sure how anyone can compete with Amazon on iBooks, but access and availability often determine where my dollar goes, especially in a time crunch where I simply cannot wait 6+ months for something to pass prepub because class starts... last week!
I would be happy to have an ebook in FL Ebook format with the potential of a Logos upgrade in the future now, than not in Logos at all and having to buy somewhere else.
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Richard Villanueva said:
I would be happy to have an ebook in FL Ebook format with the potential of a Logos upgrade in the future now, than not in Logos at all and having to buy somewhere else.
Agreed. Not a huge fan of having Logos books that aren't available to my hotlinks, but having an ebook that allows use of cut-and-paste rather than having to type out passages for quoting would be a blessing.
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David Paul said:
rather than having to type out passages for quoting would be a blessing.
You don't need to type passages.
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Have you used one of these pens, and does it work as effectively and efficiently as described? One thing I know it won't do is create a footnote.
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Matthew C Jones said:Russ White said:
First is the fan boy club here.
I must have missed that. Where can I sign up?
Merry Christmas, Russ!
This is an older thread from Christmas 2016 (DAL can chalk up another one!).
It was to be Matthew's final post. If you click in his 'Forum Activity', you'd see his thinking at the time. One was Jesus, another eternity. He left good memories.
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I Just found a series by Thomas B. Warren - which I will be buying (thanks to Dal). And I found out also (from Dal) that "The Bible Only Makes Christians Only and Only Christians" is going to become available soon (I hope) which I will buy also.
I would love to see the following:
Truth for Today commentaries by Eddie Cloer and others.
Resource of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by Goebel Music
Notes from the margins of my Bible by Wayne Jackson
NB Hardeman Tabernacle Sermons by NB Hardeman
Why I am a member of the Church of Christ by Leroy Brownlow.
Get these in and I'll get my money ready...[8-|]
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If Faithlife could offer Abingdon Press' edition of The Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley, which is the only scholarly edition available, that would motivate me to make a major purchase. It is not available in Logos format. This edition is edited and has notes from the best Wesleyan scholars in the world. The editions of Wesley's Works in Logos format lack any scholarly input from the any scholar of the past 125 years. For someone of a Methodist / Wesleyan theology that is a major problem and oversight by Faithlife.
I apologize. Reading this thread, I see that I had already posted in this thread. My, I am getting old!
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For me it's very simple: more amazing sales - especially like the $7.99 per book sales. I have every book I "need", so sales that encourage me to buy because "the price is too good to resist" are the best way to encourage me to buy more. The monthly free book of the month +1s do this, as do the daily deals when they grab my attention as possibly of interest, although I think I've only bought a handful in the last few years from the daily deals.
And get publishers to remember Faithlife when it comes to eBook sales. Some don't seem to automatically include Faithlife, but seem happy to do so when asked.
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More sales=more intuitive functionality with less bells/whistles/predigested "facts"
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Logos 10 base package discounts. Just like Logos 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9 did.
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I buy if the books are what I want and at affordable prices!
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I am always open to completing sets I partially own, if the price is reasonable/fair. [:)]
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Doc B said:David Paul said:
rather than having to type out passages for quoting would be a blessing.
You don't need to type passages.
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Slight tangent, but if you often look up Bible references in print resources, Logos' Reference Scanner (mobile only) provides another way to avoid have to type in references: see Logos Mobile - Reference Scanner – Logos Help Center.
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I expect a new pre-pub + etc. to have a complete record in the FL database.
Many times, one or more of the following is/are missing:
1. Number of pages
2. Sample pages
3. Authorial bibliography
I tend to ''walk away'' from a book that FL has provided an incomplete entry for.
I strongly feel I should not have to do extra research within FL or hit Amazon's currents to find what FL should provide.
Some books...say...''will be available 3Q 2021''...will not have all the information on its entry pages, but this should be an exception.
I could buy a volume + return it if unacceptable, but I do not want the pain.
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1. Lower prices.
2. More frequent and higher base package sales.
3. Notifications when something on Wish List is on sale. I can't live my whole life monitoring my Wish List for non-dynamic pricing sales. Gimme an option to get email notifications please!
4. More diverse sales. Seems like the same items go on sale over and over. Some items never seem to go on sale.0 -
scooter said:
Many times, one or more of the following is/are missing:
1. Number of pages
2. Sample pages
3. Authorial bibliography
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I have had Kretzmanns Popular Commentary on preorder for four years. i will not buy anything until i can get Kretzmann.
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David Menton said:
I have had Kretzmanns Popular Commentary on preorder for four years
A clarification only because of all the new users Wordsearch has brought in. Kretzmanns is not available for preorder - only prepublications are. This is a community pricing resource in which you have placed a bid of the price you would pay for it, if there is sufficient interest in the resource for Faithlife to produce it. In four years, the necessary interest has not yet been reached.
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MJ. Smith said:David Menton said:
I have had Kretzmanns Popular Commentary on preorder for four years
A clarification only because of all the new users Wordsearch has brought in. Kretzmanns is not available for preorder - only prepublications are. This is a community pricing resource in which you have placed a bid of the price you would pay for it, if there is sufficient interest in the resource for Faithlife to produce it. In four years, the necessary interest has not yet been reached.
Link here: https://www.logos.com/product/42072/kretzmanns-popular-bible-commentary
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SineNomine said:scooter said:
Many times, one or more of the following is/are missing:
1. Number of pages
2. Sample pages
3. Authorial bibliography
Yes to quality TOCs!!!
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More new books from current writers. Work with publishers so that books are released on Logos the day they go on Amazon.
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