Cloud Computing: Why you can't sync selectively
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Robert Pavich said:
None here on these boards know much of what goes on at Logos though we talk like we do....
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Thanks brother. I do recognize there are other questions about making backups of individual files. I don't have any insight on that front. Sorry. I just thought I would point out how I do backups for those reading along and who might not even be aware of this option for doing a local backup.JimT said:Thanks Joe. You always seem to bring a calming effect so I welcome hearing from you.
The problem is not with making a complete copy of everything. There is software for Windows that does that fine. I have Symantec Ghost and Nortons 360 and use both at times, along with manual copies of files to external USB drives and/or making CD or DVD copies of selected data.
Blessings brother.
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JimT said:
I want to export/backup to discrete files. One file per "named thing" under the FILE / OPEN panel. By that standard, we do not have backups.
As I said earlier Jim, this does not mean we do not have backups. It means we don't have discrete note files.
JimT said:I'm having a hard time thinking of any other piece of software I've used or have that does not store or export/backup to files that I can then store somewhere. Logos3 knows how to do it
You can backup all your Logos 4 files to elsewhere. What you mean is that Logos 4 does not store individual notes in discrete files. if I take a drive image, that's a backup. But the drive image isn't a set of discrete files, it's one very large file (sometimes two or three files), which stores all the discrete files inside it. You can't say that a drive image program doesn't allow you to backup your data just because it produces a drive image rather than copying files discretely 1:1.
JimT said:Logos4 does not have backups
No, you mean Logos 4 does not store individual notes in discrete files.
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JimT said:
In the most recent PC Beta, we can export some stuff to text files in rtf format. If thats done for Notes too, that will address it in part.
As I said, copy/paste into Word. Simple.
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Joe Miller said:
On my Mac, I use Time Machine to backup my entire installation. The backup includes Logos 4 files. Every time the notes db is updated, Time Machine makes a backup. If I had a problem with data loss, I would only need to go to Time Machine, and I could restore the notes db. My backups go back several months. And with Time Machine, I can restore just the note file db.
I made the same point. Jim says this is not a real backup.
Joe Miller said:I don't think Windows has a built-in system for backup, so you may need to find a solution since Microsoft does not give you a way to create backups.
Windows has a built in system for backups in several different ways. You can backup by image, you can backup differentially, you can set restore points, and a range of other options.
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Jonathan Burke said:
No, you mean Logos 4 does not store individual notes in discrete files.
Jonathan, I have no interest in continuing this with you. Without a discrete restore of an item, there is no backup. Leave it be OK. Logos4 does NOT provide backups. The data is stored as a sealed black box. Logos says so themselves.
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JimT said:
Without a discrete restore of an item, there is no backup.
No Jim, without a discrete restore of an item there is no selective backup of discrete notes. There is a 'global level' backup of all notes. It's important to make sure people don't get the idea that Logos somehow prevents you copying data on your own machine, or stops programs like Norton Ghost from working. It doesn't.
Some people might get concerned that if they want to backup their Logos resource folder (a step critical to one of the several re-install methods recommended by Logos technical support), what you're saying is that Logos will somehow stop them copying it to another location. That isn't true.
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For the record Jim, I also would like to be able to backup notes in discrete note files, and export them natively from Logos 4. I can live without it, but it would be nice. I'm just concerned that when members here read 'Logos 4 doesn't let you backup your data', they don't get the wrong idea, since this is precisely what technical support will tell them they can do.
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JimT said:
The data is stored as a sealed black box.
In general, users prefer to consider data a black box. They simply want the program to do the functions for which they bought it and not cause any problems. Logos has chosen to be an idiot-proof system for the general public rather than a Bible study integrated development environment for the technophile. I chafe at this when it comes to search arguments that don't work as I expect. I want to see the actual query. Then I have to remind myself that the bulk of their customers probably really don't want to see the actual query.
In fact, Logos data is anything but sealed. Any decent SQLite browser puts it at your fingertips - a fact I used to track down and report a copy & paste bug that has consequently been fixed. [No, I didn't need to muck with security.] With a backup of the databases and a little technical skill, you can recover information in manners that warms any techie's heart. However, I wouldn't want Logos to ever "admit" this because a techie-wanna-be could put themselves into very hairy situations. And, unfortunately, there are lots of techie-wanna-be who think they are full fledged techies.
P.S. I chose to blame the education system for not teaching enough logic for the lack of demand for the actual, formal query [;)]
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MJ. Smith said:
In general, users prefer to consider data a black box.
Um ... NO.
If you need an SQL browser to extract undocumented fields from undocuments tables in undocumented databases, its not a backup.
I've got nothing more to say as this is going nowhere useful. Trust me, a single blob of data as a sealed snapshot with no selective restore of an item is not a backup.
Beside, someone accused me of reverse-engineering the application, and pointed at the EULA when I commented about some portion of the data or internet traffic flows.
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JimT said:
If you need an SQL browser to extract undocumented fields from undocuments tables in undocumented databases, its not a backup.
I had very carefully crafted my response specifically to your "closed black box" statement. I supported my position with two points: (1) most people prefer a closed black box and (2) when I was motivated to do so, it was very easily made very visible. I wanted casual forum readers to understand the box is only as black and closed as you chose. I had no intention of engaging in a discussion of backup and recovery strategies.
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Let me get a 2nd opinion ...
Bob Pritchett said:Just to let you know, there are "no user serviceable parts" inside Logos 4. The system manages the files for you, and doesn't have support for them being moved or manipulated outside the software.
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JimT said:
Let me get a 2nd opinion ...
Bob Pritchett said:Just to let you know, there are "no user serviceable parts" inside Logos 4. The system manages the files for you, and doesn't have support for them being moved or manipulated outside the software.
You are correct. There are no user serviceable parts. But that is not the same as there being no backup capability. My Microsoft Money data file can be backed up in its entirety by the program, but I can't back up individual accounts' data. And I don't have user-level control of what parts of it get backed up or not. Nor can I go in and restore just one particular transaction that I accidentally deleted a few days ago. I can only restore the whole thing back to a certain point. I'm fine with that. Someone else might find it doesn't give them enough fine-tuned control. But I don't know anyone who would insist that there's no ability to do any backup. I can do backups as frequently as I want -- every two hours, every day, every week, every time I make a huge number of changes, whatever.
You are correct that you have a specific need which isn't met by Logos at this time, and we hear you. We are not trying to tell you you are wrong about that. Logos has promised they are going to be adding Export and Import capabilities for individual items such as collections and notes and such, so that people can share them. This might solve some of your problem, though perhaps not all. We understand you are unhappy, and that's a bummer. But your absolute statements that there is no ability to do any backup in Logos are simply borne of your own particular frustration and are not relevant to most other people.
So can't we just agree that we're both right. Nobody has to "win" this discussion. OK?
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Rosie Perera said:
You are correct that you have a specific need which isn't met by Logos at this time, and we hear you. We are not trying to tell you you are wrong about that. Logos has promised they are going to be adding Export and Import capabilities for individual items such as collections and notes and such, so that people can share them. This might solve some of your problem, though perhaps not all. We understand you are unhappy, and that's a bummer. But your absolute statements that there is no ability to do any backup in Logos are simply borne of your own particular frustration and are not relevant to most other people.
So can't we just agree that we're both right. Nobody has to "win" this discussion. OK?
Hi Rosie,
Actually, some here ARE saying I'm wrong. Its not up to the happy people to say that those with concerns are mistaken. Like when 50 people post that they don't get an error someone else has reported. One or two are useful, but a long list of happy people does not help the one with the error or bug report. Like the missing ESV Interlinears - it really was gone for a few days, and now fixed (thanks Logos).
Yes, an Export will be helpful and useful. But its still not a backup. One would need to export every item after every update to ensure the file-level backups were complete. Or, restore an entire "snapshot" to a different install, and export the item(s) of concern. Then import those few back into the main install. Useful, and a step forward - but not a real backup in my view. I would really like a command such as "Export Notes to dirname" that I could run as I wish. And of course the import version, but much of that is already in place I expect, as the application can already import V3 notes and other user data.
Its the "closed black box" that I have the issue with. I need an open format, or at least a control over importing select items from an older black box into the live one. In which case the box can be as closed as it wants. It can read and write whatever format it wants. I just want to pick one out if I wish. Its my data!
My position is that its not a backup if you can't restore a specific item. E.G. An old Note called "Verses about Gold" or whatever.
Yes, we can agree that we are both right from our own point of view. I'm OK with that.
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JimT said:
I do. I don't want to tinker with Logos 4 any more than I want to tinker with my iPod. I want it to just work.
JimT said:Trust me, a single blob of data as a sealed snapshot with no selective restore of an item is not a backup.
Jim that's not true. A ghosted drive image is a single blob of data with no selective restore of an item. Like me, I'm sure you used the bullet proof version of Norton Ghost back in the day when it fitted conveniently on a floppy disk. It produced one single file, a file which was a complete snapshot, a clone of an entire drive or partition. No selective item restore was available. Yet you claim this is not a backup? I honestly don't understand why.
A ghosted drive image is a backup. A snapshot is a backup. These terms are used in the data industry with these meanings. I did some contract work for this data protection company a year or so ago. They used the terms 'drive image' and 'snapshot' to refer to backups, like everyone else in the industry I know. I've never heard of anyone in the industry saying that a ghosted drive image or a snapshot wasn't a backup.
As I said before, I'm concerned about your insistence on these forums that users cannot backup Logos 4, because they are told the opposite by technical support:
[quote]* backup a full working installation ...\Logos4\ to an
external drive[quote]* backup a full working installation
...\Logos4\ to an
external drive[quote]* backup resources ...\Logos4\Data\{random}\ResourceManager\Resources
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JimT said:
I need an open format, or at least a control over
You are really asking Bob to make Logos OpenSource. And that ain't gonna happen.
JimT said:importing select items from an older black box into the live one. In which case the box can be as closed as it wants. It can read and write whatever format it wants. I just want to pick one out if I wish.
And security can be as tight as Bob wants it, so long as I can access anything I want. (that is sarcasm)
JimT said:Its my data!
And it's Logos' code!
JimT said:E.G. An old Note called "Verses about Gold" or whatever.
There is a reason everybody was kicking Strong's numbers in the other thread. It is the same reason the Early Church Fathers set is one volume shorter in digital form. WIth Logos being able to search your whole library in fractions of a second, you really don't need to be saving notes on "Verses on Gold." And if you feel you do, just don't delete them. If I was so concerned I would delete so many of my valuable notes and not need notice it for months, I'd write me a little program that would ask me everytime I typed, "Are you sure you want to do this action?" Or better yet, use a pencil, paper and a big eraser. It is hard not to notice when you rub out a whole page. It leaves little bits of graphite and rubber all over your note pad.
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Matthew,
Just leave it be please.
You have attempted to twist my words and comments in ways that are nothing like I said, and some of your comments are just plain wrong. Please just put down the keyboard and walk away OK.
I'm going to ...
P.S. Norton Ghost lets users restore an entire drive image, or pick out one tiny .txt file if they wish.
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Matthew C Jones said:JimT said:
I need an open format, or at least a control over
You are really asking Bob to make Logos OpenSource. And that ain't gonna happen.
Having an open file format has nothing to do with having open source code. RTF is a open format that can be written by Microsoft Word (proprietary code). PDF is a formerly proprietary format that is now an open format, but Adobe Acrobat is still proprietary code.
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Todd Phillips said:
Having an open file format has nothing to do with having open source code
Yes they are related (if you can long jump that far mentally.) Consider it like JimT is asking for an "all-access" pass. I am probably being unfair in assigning JimT a motive for OpenSource when he asks for more access to tinker simply because others with similar views have. I will let JimT's posts debating Bob Pritchett's speak for themself
The arguement has been posted in these forums against intellectuall property rights (in general), Bible software sales-for-profit, Bob Pritchett's wisdom or lack-thereof for "clouding" the future of Logos, and quotes from the Free Software Foundation as to the evil motives of for-profit software publishing.
Bob & crew have written a magnificent Bible software program. JimT bought a license, not the company. I have come to see the light (regarding totally cloud-based computing) through posts by JimT (thanks) Russ White and Andy Bell. JimT is probably a gifted idea man but unfortunately not also a salesman. I do not dismiss his desire for privacy or need for restore capabilities on a bit-by-bit level. I just think it majoring in minutia.
I jokingly suggested an anonymous reverse-engineering to write the "simple" 30 lines of code JimT says will fix everything. If JimT is given everything he has asked for, at considerable on-going expense to Logos, he would come back for more, and more. Somebody has to call the shots on where the limited resources will be applied. I don't think that should be done by a democracy, mob-ocracy, squeeky-wheel or ......"
Todd Phillips said:open file format has nothing to do with having open source
My comments were hyperbole. (Now I have to get back to reviewing my Carl Lewis clips.[:D])
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JimT said:
P.S. Norton Ghost lets users restore an entire drive image, or pick out one tiny .txt file if they wish.
Jim, it does now. But you can see from my post that I was talking about the very old version, which fitted on a floppy disk and which produced one single file. It did not let you pick out any files at all. It was all or nothing. You could backup and restore an entire partition, or an entire drive, but nothing smaller than that. As I've said, it's your use of standard terminology with non-standard meanings which has caused confusion.
I believe you want three things:
* An undo button to restore user files and settings you deleted accidentally within Logos (notes, collections)
* User data such as notes and clippings (and collections?), stored in discrete files rather than one single file
* The ability to export individual user data files from Logos, and/or back up/restore them discretely
That's what I see as fulfilling all the needs you've expressed. And I'd like all of that too. Until it arrives, I'll be careful when I delete files, I'll restore my notes file immediately if I accidentally delete any notes, and if I need to export something I'll copy/paste it from Logos 4 into Word.
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Matthew C Jones said:
I am probably being unfair in assigning JimT a motive for OpenSource ...
Matthew,
Many of your recent comments about me, my motives, and what you think I've asked for or want to be able to do are out of line or just plain wrong.
I have never asked Bob to go Open Source or hand over his IP for free or anything even close.
Im summary, I have asked for being able to NOT store my user-created data on his servers. I have asked to be able to export/backup/restore my data: a level of control we do not currently have.
As far as I remember, it was NOT me that claimed 30 lines of code would fix everything. I actually agree in concept with Bob when he says how that can grow into rather a lot more lines to deal with the issues. (But along with others, I still believe its important that Logos does give more control over data storage.)
I have never said selling Bible software is evil. I have said multiple times that there is much about Logos4 I like a lot. But I have also said there are some bits I'm not a fan of, and some things I disagree with Bob about. But there are other times I've written thanks and supportive comments about something he has said, done, or indicated he plans if all goes well.
My interest in the COM API is, in part, my hope I can have some better workarounds for the weakness of the current Notes functions. I also acknowledge Notes have been improving. I hope they will get better yet. I also hope I can get some other ideas I have working, using the COM API to allow me some "tools" to better extract more usage from my investment.
Its shades, not Black or White.
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Jonathan Burke said:
I believe you want three things:
* An undo button to restore user files and settings you deleted accidentally within Logos (notes, collections)
* User data such as notes and clippings (and collections?), stored in discrete files rather than one single file
* The ability to export individual user data files from Logos, and/or back up/restore them discretely
That's what I see as fulfilling all the needs you've expressed. And I'd like all of that too. Until it arrives, I'll be careful when I delete files, I'll restore my notes file immediately if I accidentally delete any notes, and if I need to export something I'll copy/paste it from Logos 4 into Word.
Jonathan,
[Calling those (1) (2) and (3) ...]
(1) I'm not too worried about UNDO. Whats there now seems to make some people happy. Its not the focus of anything I;m worries about.
(2) I'm not interested in the store being discrete files or a "large lump". I understand why having all or some of it stores in database records is important to get the markup, search and linking that Logos4 provides. Its not the operational storage I have been talking about. see (3).
(3) YES - the ability to save/backup/export to discrete files, OR having a tool to permit selective restore/import is the point. The point of backup is to get it back again if required.
If in fact we get a save-to-RTF for Notes, as we now have in the Beta for some of the user-content "files", that will be a great "down-payment" on meeting the needs of (1) (2) and (3). It will give users back more control of their own data.
It would be nice, once we have (3) as an export-to-RTF or whatever, if we could then run that from a command box, and then assign it to a shortcut icon or a link in favorites. Maybe something that the COM API could trigger: the ability to submit commands from an external script/program. Then it becomes a backup, and the exported files get protected by the normal backup software. I expect that would cover many of the requests users have been submitting re data backup, security, sharing and more besides.
I look forward to the "Team Sharing" ideas Bob has been talking about for user-content. I hope it comes with a good set of "control" rather than too automatic, and not quite making everyone happy or relaxed about their data.
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Joe Miller said:
I don't think Windows has a built-in system for backup,
"It do now", Joe.
Windows 7 is a beautifull operating system. Hard to believe the ugly worm called "Vista" could emerge from the cocoon as the almost perfect O/S. It is enough to make you switch back from Macs to PCs! And is has backup power that works.
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JimT said:
Many of your recent comments about me, my motives, and what you think I've asked for or want to be able to do are out of line or just plain wrong.
OK Jim, It is out of line for me to judge your motives or sincerity. I apologize and beg your forgiveness. I will try to reign in my hyperbole, emotions and general antagonism. I do have difficulty seeing through all the dust this issue keeps kicking up. I have probably ascribed others' statements to you & yours to others.
JimT said:it was NOT me that claimed 30 lines of code would fix everything
Jun 4, 2010 2:50 AM (this thread):
"I think Bob needs to code the very stuff above that he says is his most expensive 30 lines (or at least some of them. There must be a lesser option that the full worst-case above.)"I hope you understand at least why a flawed human like me could possibly misunderstand what you are really asking for. It seems simple enough to me.
I'm gonna go help my wife plant some flowers. I might even call it a "peace garden." At least it will take me off the forums for a couple hours. Friends, Jim? [Y]
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Please pardon the intrusion. I am not going to enter the fray of "what is a backup" and the only official response has already come from President Bob.
The forum guidelines encourage us to demonstrate the love of Christ in our exchanges. I am not suggesting anyone has crossed that line, but before the conversation gets too hot, I thought I might offer some words of wisdom from Francis Schaeffer regarding semantics and communication. Schaeffer writes:
"Communication means that an idea which I have in my mind passes through my lips (or fingers — in most art forms) and reaches the other person’s mind. Adequate communication means that when it reaches the recipient’s mind, it is substantially the same as when it left mine. This does not mean that it will be completely the same, but that he will nevertheless have substantially realized the point I wish to convey. The words that we use are only a tool for translating the ideas which we wish to communicate; we are not trying to convey merely a succession of verbal sounds.
Because we must use words in order to communicate ideas, there may be several language problems. The most obvious one arises between different language groups. If we want to speak to a man, we must first learn his language.
Another problem is that of time. In the course of history language changes in meaning; words may not have the same meaning today as they did in an earlier age. Language naturally changes its meaning as time passes, and this is uniquely true today with the great differences above and below the line of despair.
A further language barrier comes as we try to talk to people of a very different social background from ourselves for example those in the deep slums.
In none of these cases do the language problems solve themselves automatically. If we wish to communicate, then we must take time and trouble to learn our hearers’ use of language so that they understand what we intend to convey. This is particularly difficult today for us as Christians when we want to use a word like God or guilt in a strictly defined sense rather than as a connotation word, because the concepts of these words have been changed universally. In a case like this, either we must try to find a synonymous word without a false connotation, or else we have to define the word at length when we use it, so that we make sure our hearer understands as fully as possible what we are conveying. In this latter case we are no longer using the word as a technical word, in the sense that we assume a common definition.
I suggest that if the word (or phrase) we are in the habit of using is no more than an orthodox evangelical cliche which has become a technical term among Christians, then we should be willing to give it up when we step outside our own narrow circle and talk to the people around us. if, on the other hand, the word is indispensable, such as the word God, then we should talk at sufficient length to make ourselves clear. Technical words, if they are used without sufficient explanation, may mean that outsiders really do not hear the Christian message at all and that we ourselves, in our churches and missions, have become an introverted and isolated language group.
As we turn to consider in more detail how we may speak to people of the twentieth century, we must emphasize first of all that we cannot apply mechanical rules. We, of all people, should realize this, for as Christians we believe that personality really does exist and is important. We can lay down some general principles, but there can be no automatic application. If we are truly personal, as created by God, then each individual will differ from everyone else. Therefore each person must be dealt with as an individual, not as a case or statistic or machine. If we would work with these people, we cannot apply the things we have dealt with in this book mechanically. We must look to the Lord in prayer, and to the work of the Holy Spirit, for the effective use of these things."
Francis A. Schaeffer, The Complete Works of Francis A. Schaeffer : A Christian Worldview. (Westchester, Ill.: Crossway Books, 1996).
If this helps, great. If it causes more confusion or strife, I apologize ahead of time.
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Matthew C Jones said:
... I apologize and beg your forgiveness ...
Accepted and given. Thankyou.
Matthew C Jones said:I have probably ascribed others' statements to you & yours to others.
I have to be careful of this too. Its easy to mix names and ideas and "blame" one for something another said.
Matthew C Jones said:Jun 4, 2010 2:50 AM (this thread):
"I think Bob needs to code the very stuff above that he says is his most expensive 30 lines (or at least some of them. There must be a lesser option that the full worst-case above.)"Yes I said that above, but it was Bob that said the following first. I still don't think it was me that first claimed it was 30 lines of code. I'm not sure who said the first part that Bob posted in response to.
Bob Pritchett said:As for the argument that allowing people to simply turn of sync for certain document types is just 20-30 lines of code, my answer is: true. But those would be the most troublesome and expensive 20-30 lines of code in the app.
I may not think it really would be the most troublesome and expense lines of code in the app, but I agree the first 30 lines would grow a lot bigger before whatever the changes were got done.
Matthew C Jones said:Friends, Jim?
Yes please.
Whatever else anyone thinks about what I did or did not say, ask about or want, its because of the content in the Logos Bible Software applications that I have been a customer of Logos since about 1996.
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Joe Miller said:
Please pardon the intrusion ...
Hi Joe.
You must have posted that while I was writting my reply, which I took a long time on to try and get the right words and "feel".
I've not yet read your full post and reflected on it, but if the point is that words and ideas don't always transfer, its right!
Hence the different ideas of "what is a backup".
I can't go plant flowers right now: its dark, cold, Winter, and a hail storm outside, and 5 am. My transfer of about 50 GB of files between C:,
and T: has almost finished, so I can restart Logos4 and Visual Studio and go back to what I was attempting with the new COM API tools.0 -
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