New Original Language Bible Visual Filters
We had a discussion recently about a few new visual filter options (that would probably be nested under Bible Text Only) that I wanted to get your feedback on and see if you'd find them useful.
A year or so ago, we added an "Apparatus indicators" visual filter to a couple of Greek Bibles (NA28, UBS5), which allows you to hide the apparatus markers separately from other formatting (i.e., instead of having it grouped with non-Bible text).
We've talked about a few others in the Greek New Testament:
- Diacritical marks
- Punctuation
- Spaces
- ALL CAPS
On the Hebrew Bible side, we've discussed these:
- Niqqud / vowel (and consonant) points
- Cantillation / accent marks
- Punctuation
- Group as paragraphs
Cf. this, this, this, and this.
Which of these would you find useful? If we did only a couple, which ones should we do first?
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
On the Hebrew Bible side, we've discussed these:
- Niqqud / vowel (and consonant) points
- Cantillation / accent marks
- Punctuation
- Group as paragraphs
Which of these would you find useful? If we did only a couple, which ones should we do first?
It would be great to have the ability to selectively highlight (NOT hide) 2 and 3 above.
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GREEK:
4. ALL CAPS
HEBREW:
4. PARAGRAPHING
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Which of these would you find useful? If we did only a couple, which ones should we do first?
All of them would be helpful for various studies.
Hebrew & Aramaic (priority 1 & 2 for me)
- Niqqud / vowel (and consonant) points
- Cantillation / accent marks
Greek: New Testament plus LXX (priority 3)
- Diacritical marks
Visual filter idea for Hebrew is "scroll" flow (so letters flow in a tab similar to an ancient scroll).
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Hebrew: Group as paragraphs
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Don't mean to take us on a rabbit trail. I am intrigued by "group as paragraphs" in the Hebrew text. What would that be based on?
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Thanks for considering these, Phil!
My priorities would be:
- H: Paragraphing
- H: Cantillation
- H: Niqqud
FWIW, I find the Bible Text Only section a bit backwards logically. The top level checkbox turns a set of filters ON then the second level checkboxes turn individual filters back OFF. In my mind the top level should be called something like "extra-textual elements" and should be on by default (consequently all the sub level boxes would be checked by default as well).
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We've talked about a few others in the Greek New Testament:
- Diacritical marks
- Punctuation
- Spaces
- ALL CAPS
I've been using a tailor-made font doing 1. and 4. and I've been very pleased with it.
This might be off-topic, but I would like to have the ability to set resource-specific fonts: ancient fonts, and also such Latin font that looks different than the inerlinear below, also with the possibility with all caps.
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Lee said:
Don't mean to take us on a rabbit trail. I am intrigued by "group as paragraphs" in the Hebrew text. What would that be based on?
Tiny rabbit trail. Only speaking for me.
Hebrew, the preference would be run-on. But I doubt most (99%?) would like that. Paragraphing was a (much) later feature, which in many cases, demands a later interpretive layer. But we must be practical ... at least removing versification, like greek options.
Greek caps, actually, just removing case (whichever). Case also speaks to later interpretations.
Added to short rabbit trail:
In designing neural nets for hebrew, you, by necessity, have to strip sentencing, for the neural layers to more accurately find the patterns (which means the interpretive sentencing layers are significant, especially when the neural is looking for redaction layers). Not germaine to Logos, but illustrating the issue.
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Denise said:
GREEK:
4. ALL CAPS
Most helpful for the non-specialist in the house. And for Hebrew:
Hebrew:
Non-pointing
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Denise said:
GREEK:
4. ALL CAPS
HEBREW:
4. PARAGRAPHING
This is also my priority although all of the features would be wonderful to have at some point.
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Lee said:
Don't mean to take us on a rabbit trail. I am intrigued by "group as paragraphs" in the Hebrew text. What would that be based on?
BHS in print uses paragraphs rather than one verse per line.
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I've suggested several times a visual filter to transliterate text (not just in Bibles, but in all resources that have original-language material). That would be a big help for most people, especially for the less well-known languages such as Syriac.
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Mark Barnes said:
I've suggested several times a visual filter to transliterate text (not just in Bibles, but in all resources that have original-language material). That would be a big help for most people, especially for the less well-known languages such as Syriac.
I like that idea, especially in light of Syriac and Arabic.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Lee said:
Don't mean to take us on a rabbit trail. I am intrigued by "group as paragraphs" in the Hebrew text. What would that be based on?
BHS in print uses paragraphs rather than one verse per line.
Thanks for the info.
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