M1 Mac Chip Compatibility
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So I don't have much new to add but did want to point out that using Logos 9 on M1 iMac is not a joy. It is so slow compared to my several year old similarly configured laptop that I find myself using it
I do not remember reading a similar opinion. It might be good for you to trouble shoot your install.
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Good advice. . I'll do that shortly.
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The other advice given is good (to look into some trouble shooting). That being said, I would like to keep this at the attention of the Faithlife crew. It has been over a year, getting close to 18 months. For me, I have noticed an uptick in crashes lately for my Logos desktop app. It honestly isn't a big deal when it restarts quickly, but there are times when I start Logos 3 or 4 times and it keeps spinning and says, 'application not responding'. I understand that this may have other issues besides the M1 chip, but similar to what Adam is saying, Logos is by far the slowest app on my laptop when it comes to a restart.
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We're watching this space closely (performance testing and reports from users, the release of more Macs with Apple's Silicon, the adoption rate by our users in particular and the market in general, and various technology paths for getting to native support). We'll keep you updated as we learn more and our plans solidify.
Any updates on the progress of getting Logos running natively on Apple silicon (M1, future M2, etc)?
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I can concur with this on a Macbook Pro M1 Max. I have 2-4 crashes per day of Logos, and same "application not responding"
Further, fresh starts of Logos fail 1/2 of the time... So 50%, I must force quite and restart the app. At that point 3/4 start correctly, and 1/4 fails again, and I must force quit.
If I make it to a third attempt to start, Logos starts 100% of the time.
This is a 32G machine. I have an M1 ultra on the way, I will report any changes with that device.Logos can be sluggish on the M1, but the Max chip definitely runs it better.
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New 24" iMac with M1 chip.
Had a few incidents where Logos remained active after Cmd-Q. All windows closed, but Logos remained on the Menu bar. After update to 9.13 Beta 1, the problem seems to have disappeared.
Had a fe crashes, but after I cleared the Logging folder to have a clean report—and upgraded to 9.13 Beta 1—the crashes seem to have ceased.
Everything else seems to be running smoothly, roughly the same as my previous 2017 iMac—perhaps a little faster.
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I'm running Logos on M1 MBA as well with relatively no issues at the moment. Thanks!
Any updates on the progress of implementing any of the above into the next version of Logos? Logos X (M1)???
Would there be betas involved at some point?
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Would there be betas involved at some point?
Yes, but FL will not make a public announcement until the next version is close to release.
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Hi - any update?
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I can't answer the first question since I haven't upgraded from Logos 6 on my old MacBook Air 11" Mid 2011.
Second question I can answer: I bought a MacBook Pro M1 13" CTO in 2021 with 2 TB SSD and 16 GB Ram. Next Mac will be M based as Apple just released the MacStudio with the M1 Ultra and are planning on replacing the remaining Intel x86-64 processors this year: Mac Pro and Intel Mac Mini. MacRumors.com and Appleinsider.com says Apple is working on 9 different Macs with M1 successor the M2. Intel is dead in Apple's development cycle. Apple even has switched iPads to M1 processors.
Third question I can answer: the performance gain is that most Apps that are still using Rosetta are usually terrible memory hogs and cause heavy CPU activity. A native app is usually more efficient in memory use (smaller footprint) and less CPU activity.
Fourth question I really can't answer. However, I probably won't upgrade until there is an Apple Silicon native version. 90% of my apps are Apple Silicon native.
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I have joined the Apple Silicon team. A new 16" M1 Pro, thanks to an academic fellowship. Just waiting for native compatibility now. Would love to be involved with those betas.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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I have joined the Apple Silicon team. A new 16" M1 Pro, thanks to an academic fellowship. Just waiting for native compatibility now. Would love to be involved with those betas.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Greetings,
I wanted to share that my experience with a 2021 MacBook Pro M1 Max w/ 32 GB RAM is quite different. Even in Rosetta, Verbum "feels" faster than the app running natively on my 2019 Mac Pro 16-core w/ 384 GB RAM. I especially like the fact that it will happily use as many cores as it can (often reaching 850% utilization) to index.
As a result, I agree it may be worthwhile to check logs and do some troubleshooting to see if there is an incompatibility or some other issue on your machine. It should run a bit better than what you describe.
Best wishes
I use Verbum with an 8-Core Mac Pro (2013) and a MacBook Pro (2017)
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M2 MacBook Air and M2 MacBook Pro announced yesterday at WWDC. I hope ya'll were there because macOS 13 Ventura was also announced and developer beta released. Apple is eliminating support for all Macs released before 2017 and in some cases all Macs released before 2019 (MacPro). Time to get an Apple Silicon native version out. Intel x86 Mac is dying.
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M2 MacBook Air and M2 MacBook Pro announced yesterday at WWDC. I hope ya'll were there because macOS 13 Ventura was also announced and developer beta released. Apple is eliminating support for all Macs released before 2017 and in some cases all Macs released before 2019 (MacPro). Time to get an Apple Silicon native version out. Intel x86 Mac is dying.
I'm running our native ARM Mac build. We're expecting to release it later this year.
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Great to hear an update on this! If Logos 10 is released Q4 2022 I suspect ARM would be ready by then.
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This is great news for all of us that run Logos on Apple silicon. I am eagerly waiting.
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That is good news. I am glad to hear that. I still have Logos 6 on my old Mid 2011 MacBook Air, but I haven't really ran that laptop in a while except to install a new SSD, partition it, and install all the old macOS X versions. I haven't completed setting it up even. I have basically made the transition to my new MacBook Pro 13" M1. Maybe, I will have the resources to upgrade to the ARM native version after it is released. I still use the mobile iOS version on my iPhone SE (3rd ed).
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I forgot to mention in previous post that I am running Logos 6 Silver Academic. I have browsed the Logos 9 upgrades but the Academic Bundles are no longer Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Premium. What package would be a direct upgrade from Logos 6 Silver Academic? I may decide to upgrade before the ARM native version is released since I am still deployed.
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What package would be a direct upgrade from Logos 6 Silver Academic?
I don’t know the answer to that - as the details of Logos 6 Silver Academic are no longer available for comparison.
Are you aware you can upgrade to the free Logos 9 engine - https://www.logos.com/product/194909/logos-9-basic - and that this will not remove any of the existing functionality and resources you have?
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Graham gave you the most important detail: The software engine is free. There is no reason for you not to update your software now. When FL comes out with major new versions (i.e. L10), the engine will be available immediately for 1) those who have a Faithlife Connect subscription and/or 2) those who purchase a new package. Several months following the engine is made available for everyone. This is one of the advantages of FL's software model.
I am running Logos 6 Silver Academic. I have browsed the Logos 9 upgrades but the Academic Bundles are no longer Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Premium. What package would be a direct upgrade from Logos 6 Silver Academic?
Along with Graham, I can't give a comparison. However, for clarification: There is no need or reason to worry about a "direct upgrade." The fact that you have L6 Silver is really irrelevant to anything. What does matter is the resources you own in that package. When you go to make a new purchase, you will be given a discount based upon the individual resources you already own which happen to be in the new packages you are looking to purchase. The only reason someone who purchased "L6 Gold" might receive a greater discount than someone who purchased "L6 Silver" is if there were additional resources in L6 Gold that were not in L6 Silver in the new package.
FL shuffles the packages when they release new ones, so things are always changing. NOTE: when you purchase a new package, you ADD to what you already have... you never "lose" resources that you already purchased.
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What package would be a direct upgrade from Logos 6 Silver Academic?
Adding to Graham and Alabama, the easy way is just to look at the dynamic pricing for the academic packages, relative to your L6 Silver Academic. And then, see what's in them that you might want.
Keep in mind, they usually 're-package' the packages at the L10 intro likely this fall. So, that's why to look at each for your needs. Also, I don't think the L9 packages are on sale? Normally, they'd go on sale, prior to the L10 packages going on sale.
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I wasn't aware of the fact that you never "lose" resources you already purchased. I assumed that with each upgrade I would have to repurchase everything as before since I am assumed it was a package deal. The software engine being free; again I assumed that would turn off all my previous material until I purchased the entire package again and be technically a demo or trial ware situation.
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I wasn't aware of the fact that you never "lose" resources you already purchased. I assumed that with each upgrade I would have to repurchase everything as before since I am assumed it was a package deal. The software engine being free; again I assumed that would turn off all my previous material until I purchased the entire package again and be technically a demo or trial ware situation.
Hopefully we’ve been able to clarify the situation and that it gives you more options to consider.
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Thanks be to Jesus for Logos, yes wondering how one can become a beta tester (and also a C# developer for the software God willing.
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Any dates yet for native release?
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