Barnes is on the Move
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Am I the only one here who is weary of the Barnes raisers? Guys (and gals) you have made a loud noise about poor Pastor Barnes and his work. He's been languishing for years. Banging the drum hasn't worked. I would not suggest louder banging.
I suspect that most of those who would want Barnes have it in another form and don't want to pay even $30 for it. But who really knows? All we know is this CP is dead in the water.
I know I have beat the drum myself for other CP resources, but I do think this one has really been exposed unlike dozens of other CP offers. It just isn't getting traction as they say. Maybe it is time to rest a bit. Most folks aren't going to drop their bids if you back off for a few months.
I would like all of you to have Rev. Barnes, but I think you've given it your best shot for now, so maybe it is time to back off. Please?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Levi D. said:
I've been grabbing screenshots every now and then of Barne's progress:
Here is one from August 14, one month ago:
And this is today, Sept. 14th:
Hopefully Thomas' excellent blog will push Barnes over the hill and it will pick up speed!
From your screen shots I take it you raised your bid in that time period.... [:)]
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Andrew McKenzie said:
From your screen shots I take it you raised your bid in that time period....
Just a little [;)]
I spent most of my time in thinking of divine things, year after year; often walking alone in the woods and solitary places for meditation, soliloquy and prayer - Jonathan Edwards
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Maybe some cheerleading will work.Gimmie a B…..
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Gimmie an A…
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I think i saw it move. [:D]
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Abi Gail said:
I think i saw it move.
As a result of the excellent blog post lets hope it gathers interest at a more rapid rate than this thread has been gathering interest lately....
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Andrew McKenzie said:Abi Gail said:
I think i saw it move.
As a result of the excellent blog post lets hope it gathers interest at a more rapid rate than this thread has been gathering interest lately....
I would be happy if it gained interest at the same rate as this thread. [H]
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Mark A. Smith said:
Am I the only one here who is weary of the Barnes raisers?
Today's blog post, a counter point to Thomas Black, by Mark A. Smith: "Time for a Barnes Razing?"
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I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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OH NO.
This could cause an international incident. You did hear about that other radical pastor in FL. who planned a book burning?
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But he backed off that and chose the higher road. I assume that Dan will also.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Well, perhaps if an Ardent Barnes Supporter had written the post there would have been more progress. Perhaps it's expecting more than one day can bring, but it appears that Barnes has made no significant progress if any.
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Floyd Johnson said:
he backed off that and chose the higher road. I assume that Dan will also.
alas, my sense of humor cannot go much higher. [:P]
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Dan DeVilder said:
alas, my sense of humor cannot go much higher.
If this is the apex of his humor, Think what the depths might produce. Does Snidely Whiplash come to mind?
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SOMETIMES, no matter how hard you try you can't quite reach your desire, things just stall. Time for a "Stalled and Waiting for a Miracle" second level tier for CP.
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Dan
There's nothing wrong with your sense of humour. It's just like mine![:D]
Every blessing
Alan
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This is a classic case of a poor marketing strategy. A company who can sell a non-existent, unproven, prototype of a commentary to it's highly educated clientèle for $700 US, should be able to promote a highly acclaimed, tried and tested Christian classic for $30 US...If they really wanted to.
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Disagree.
This is a classic case of using two different marketing strategies. The new commentary set is something Logos has put money up front for. It will likely have a high profit margin but not a lot of volume in terms of sales because of the price and limited audience.
The Barnes thing is "we will do it if enough people want it." Remember on community pricing, they are looking to cover costs. Anything after that is mostly profit, since in this case it is PD material. It will also likely be a low-volume title, as it is older. If it gets published, I could see it being included in a collection in the future.
Another way to put it is this: Logos has a very vested interest in marketing the new commentary because if they don't do it properly, they will lose lots of money that has already been spent. They have limited interest in Barnes; they don't really care too much one way or the other if it gets done or not. That is speaking from a business perspective. I am sure there are many Logos employees that would like to have Barnes, but opinions and wants do not keep a business alive and growing. Cash flow does.
Jerry
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Well said Jerry
By all appearances the cash flow to produce Barnes isn't there. and at the glacial growth rate one wonders if it will be before the final volume of the EEC ships. (Props to Andrew)Jerry Bush said:Cash flow does.
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Thomas Black said:
By all appearances the cash flow to produce Barnes isn't there.
It seems that the $30 price point that it just takes soooo many users to cover the costs. If would be interesting to know if everyone increased their bid by ten $10 if we would send it over the top and then the last minute rush would take this back down to $30 or less anyhow.
Anyhow, it has moved a bit since your blog... we'll just have to wait I guess for the last 23% for the next couple of years. Never mind, Barnes makes a great landmark on the Logos website anyhow!
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
It seems that the $30 price point that it just takes soooo many users to cover the costs. If would be interesting to know if everyone increased their bid by ten $10 if we would send it over the top and then the last minute rush would take this back down to $30 or less anyhow.
Problem is, that $30 point on the graph is already counting all the people who have bid higher than 30. So if you want to try to raise the "sweet spot" to $40, the only people raising their bid by $10 who would affect the position of the dot at $40 would be those people who currrently have bid between $30 and $40. Those of us who've already bid more than $40 could raise our bid all we want and it wouldn't budge the dot at $40 any further. Since the dot at $30 is almost twice as high as the dot at $40, I don't think the numbers are there to cover it at $40 either, unfortunately.
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It's the under 30 crowd who would have the most impact. Bumping bids from $25 to $30 would make a significant difference.
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K.J. said:
It's the under 30 crowd who would have the most impact.
Indeed the Youth could have so much impact if only they increased their commitment [;)]
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Andrew McKenzie said:K.J. said:
It's the under 30 crowd who would have the most impact.
Indeed the Youth could have so much impact if only they increased their commitment
OK, how about a new strategy. What if everyone bids their age? What's the average age of Logos users? Logos forum users? People who have an interest in Barnes Notes? The latter group probably averages the highest number, due to Barnes being a relic from a bygone era well-loved classic.
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Rosie Perera said:
What if everyone bids their age?
As long as your age is younger than your current bid, my age is nowhere near my current bid .... I'll up the challenge and say bid double your age (and if you go off the scale, then just bid max price)
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Its those no good kids! I'll tell you what! Penny Pinchin' on Barnes gets us nowhere... now here? ...No where! Whatever.
To quote a movie from my childhood (American Tale)
"WEWESE THE SECWET WEAPON!"
*thats the que for all the CP lurkers to jump in*
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Andrew McKenzie said:
bid double your age (and if you go off the scale, then just bid max price)
I did that months ago.
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Rosie Perera said:
What if everyone bids their age?
Is that chronological or biological age? Or is it the age you feel today?
Personally, I've been in at $50 for ages.
Every blessing
Alan
BTW as Barnes has been propping up the CP page for years, what will happen if it ever goes live in pre-pub? Will the rest of the CP page just collapse?
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Alan Macgregor said:
Will the rest of the CP page just collapse?
Or maybe leave room for more offerings?
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Jack Caviness said:Andrew McKenzie said:
bid double your age (and if you go off the scale, then just bid max price)
I did that months ago.
[^] You doubled your age ?
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