Can you upgrade without buying features or books?

I have logos 9. I have purchased feature sets and book sets from older versions as I needed / wanted them. I have also bought several commentary sets and dictionary sets. I know some people have 10s of thousands of books in their libraries but I have 1800 in my logos library and i would be shocked if i ever used a quarter of them. I still have a stack of books waiting to be read and I am not really interested in buying more book sets.

I want to upgrade to 10 mainly for the new layout and the ability to add physical books. What's the cheapest way to do that? When I look at those packages I just see so many books I don't want. I am pretty happy with the library I have and the additions I would like (certain commentaries) are not included in any of the sets.

So whats the most cost effective way to upgrade to 10? Please note, I am not asking for reasons to buy bigger packages. I am not looking for reasons to buy platinum packages. I am asking if you know how to upgrade to 10 without spending money on books I will not use.

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Mark Barnes (Logos)

You can buy feature sets without any books. You'll need the full feature set to get access to Print Library Catalog: https://www.logos.com/product/228476/logos-10-full-feature-upgrade

Carl Thomas

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature.

David Wanat

I have logos 9. I have purchased feature sets and book sets from older versions as I needed / wanted them. I have also bought several commentary sets and dictionary sets. I know some people have 10s of thousands of books in their libraries but I have 1800 in my logos library and i would be shocked if i ever used a quarter of them. I still have a stack of books waiting to be read and I am not really interested in buying more book sets.

I want to upgrade to 10 mainly for the new layout and the ability to add physical books. What's the cheapest way to do that? When I look at those packages I just see so many books I don't want. I am pretty happy with the library I have and the additions I would like (certain commentaries) are not included in any of the sets.

So whats the most cost effective way to upgrade to 10? Please note, I am not asking for reasons to buy bigger packages. I am not looking for reasons to buy platinum packages. I am asking if you know how to upgrade to 10 without spending money on books I will not use.

They'll eventually bring out a basic engine for the new engine that doesn't cost, minus the books and tools. But that's always after the launch. I think a few months after.

SineNomine

Verbum Now is, to the best of my knowledge, the most cost-efficient subscription-based way for you to get access to all of the features. (Don't be put off by the "Verbum" thing; the features work just fine in Logos.)

David Medina

I am VERY, very, very disappointed with Faithlife. What a let down. This has to be the most underwhelmed new Logos in a long time and yet is the most expensive. $332.51 just to upgrade to the new features.

Have they lost their mind?

My logos 9 starter upgrade was just $14.

Bruce Dunning

I am VERY, very, very disappointed with Faithlife. What a let down. This has to be the most underwhelmed new Logos in a long time and yet is the most expensive. $332.51 just to upgrade to the new features.

Have they lost their mind?

My logos 9 starter upgrade was just $14.

I certainly don't share this view. I love Logos 10.

Are you sure that you are comparing apples to apples regarding cost? What is your cost for Logos 10 starter without features?

David Wanat

I am VERY, very, very disappointed with Faithlife. What a let down. This has to be the most underwhelmed new Logos in a long time and yet is the most expensive. $332.51 just to upgrade to the new features.

Have they lost their mind?

My logos 9 starter upgrade was just $14.

I remember at the launch of 9, Gold 8 to Gold 9 was about 350. Same for Gold 10.

Carl Thomas

For me the starter upgrade is $184. Definitely not worth it. I would like the sermon import and the offline book import but I don't want any of the added resources and to get those features I have to get one of the highest packages. Even with the feature upgrades you get loads of books or data sets I will never use.

David Medina

Good question. Thanks.

I was able to do a little digging which is not easy with the way Logos structures its upgrade.

Logos 10 Starter upgrade costs $51

Logos 9 Starter Upgrade cost me $14

After understanding the difference between the different upgrade levels I settle with the starter feature upgrade. I could have used the bronze level but I could not justify paying $110 more just for the new timeline feature.

To be fair, it is easy to understand what each level includes if you know where to look for but it isn't really easy to know where to look and no one seemed to be able to tell me when I call and did chat with sales.

David Medina

Sadly, the ability to add new books is the most expensive level and I seriously doubt they will offer that in the free version.

Carl Thomas

They aren't stupid. I'm going to see if that 50% Pastor appreciation month discount will apply to upgrades and if so I will probably get a package high enough with these features. If not, I'll probably never get it.

David Medina

Carl, I have exactly the same question. I want to upgrade but I just want the features I need.

It took me a while to figure it out. Once you do is easy to know what each upgrade level includes. But it is buried in the Logos website.

Go to this page and look under each feature. IMPORTANT: Make sure you sort by "New and improved in Logos".

https://www.logos.com/features

Under each feature, you will see a series of color squares. That tells you what Upgrade level includes that feature.

Based on my needs I chose the Logos New features Starter. It cost me $51, which depending on Dynamic Pricing it may be more or less for what I paid.

Now, if you want to add the ability to enter your print books so Logo can "search" them, you will have to go for the most expensive upgrade.

Hope that helps.

David Medina

Yes, I think the Full Upgrade is your only option if you need all those features. Do call them because you can usually get the best deal that way.

SineNomine

But it is buried in the Logos website.

Cf. https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets

Ryan

I have Verbum Now subscription and you do get most of the same features. Although with the Logos 10 release one of the features not included is the Church History Themes dataset.

https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets?productIds=228476,228483

Mikko Paavola

If you'd like to subscribe rather than to buy, you can subscribe to Faithlife Connect. With Essentials (149,90$/year) you always have all the features and get automatic upgrades to future versions + extra benefits as long as you won't cancel it. I've been a subscriber for years and I'm happy with it. My Logos was upgraded to v.10 today (and if I like I can buy a base package cheaper without paying for features).

https://connect.faithlife.com/pricing

Wolfgang Schneider

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature.

Somehow certain features that people would think of as being part of the main software (update to new version is said to be free) are for some time already declared "features" and are part of "feature packages" for purchase...

Bob

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature.

i bought the full feature set for 168. I suppose that is because of dynamic pricing. I did not want any more books.

Bob

Frank Sauer

I added a Silver Package and a Bronze, rather than just pick up the Full Feature Set. Most of the Features I wanted were in Silver, so I was able to add a few resources that had more value to me than 20 plus more interlinear versions. (I can only use so many of those at a time)

Having used the Print Library Feature during testing it was a nice feature, though the fact that it is also in some way a Marketing/Sales tool for Logos - I'd have though it would be in the base features included in any purchase. So that may be the one feature I miss from the Full Set, but it's not worth the $50 listed value, nor the almost $90 that I'd have to pay for the Full Feature Upgrade from Silver. IMHO

Mike Childs

I guess I am very blessed to be an old grouchy man. I am not interested in new features in my Bible software. I have been an avid Logos customer since 1991 or 1992 - almost from the start of Logos. It has been a long time since new features motivated me to purchase upgrades. It has always been the books that made the upgrades worthwhile for me. I do not have as gigantic a library as some, but I do have over 9,200 Logos resources. So, it is understandable that the packages do not excite me as they once did. My library has grown over the decades until I pretty much have the top commentaries sets, language tools, and resources that I need. I see very few resources in the upgrade packages that appeal me.

There are books that would excite me to upgrade my Logos package. If one of the packages included Craig Keener's four volumes on Acts, that would have caught my interest. I will probably be purchasing Keener's commentaries rather than upgrading to a Logos 10 package.

If Logos added the Bicentennial Edition of John Wesley's Works (Abingdon Press) to its resource library, that would motivate me. (Yes, I am Methodist).) If they added the New Cambridge Commentary set, that would appeal to me.

But for me this is not an upgrade that excites me. So, I will save some money.

Mike Childs

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature.

i bought the full feature set for 168. I suppose that is because of dynamic pricing. I did not want any more books.

Bob

I am just the opposite. I do not want any more features.

Nathan Parker

I guess I am very blessed to be an old grouchy man. I am not interested in new features in my Bible software. I have been an avid Logos customer since 1991 or 1992 - almost from the start of Logos. It has been a long time since new features motivated me to purchase upgrades. It has always been the books that made the upgrades worthwhile for me. I do not have as gigantic a library as some, but I do have over 9,200 Logos resources. So, it is understandable that the packages do not excite me as they once did. My library has grown over the decades until I pretty much have the top commentaries sets, language tools, and resources that I need. I see very few resources in the upgrade packages that appeal me.

There are books that would excite me to upgrade my Logos package. If one of the packages included Craig Keener's four volumes on Acts, that would have caught my interest. I will probably be purchasing Keener's commentaries rather than upgrading to a Logos 10 package.

If Logos added the Bicentennial Edition of John Wesley's Works (Abingdon Press) to its resource library, that would motivate me. (Yes, I am Methodist).) If they added the New Cambridge Commentary set, that would appeal to me.

But for me this is not an upgrade that excites me. So, I will save some money.

I mainly upgraded to ensure I had full Apple Silicon Support, but I agree I don’t need too many features in my Bible software. I’m overall disappointed in this upgrade, and if I couldn’t have gotten the FFS for less than $100 like I did, it would have been a hard pass for me.

I also have a ton of books and are more targeted in what I buy now.

What I really want is for Logos to close the Wordsearch feature gap: IVS, ZipScript, Lessonmaker, etc. I’ve already phased out Wordsearch since it doesn’t run on my Mac, and having those remaining features would be useful.