Can you upgrade without buying features or books?

Carl Thomas said:

I have logos 9. I have purchased feature sets and book sets from older versions as I needed / wanted them. I have also bought several commentary sets and dictionary sets. I know some people have 10s of thousands of books in their libraries but I have 1800 in my logos library and i would be shocked if i ever used a quarter of them. I still have a stack of books waiting to be read and I am not really interested in buying more book sets. 

I want to upgrade to 10 mainly for the new layout and the ability to add physical books. What's the cheapest way to do that? When I look at those packages I just see so many books I don't want. I am pretty happy with the library I have and the additions I would like (certain commentaries) are not included in any of the sets. 

So whats the most cost effective way to upgrade to 10? Please note, I am not asking for reasons to buy bigger packages. I am not looking for reasons to buy platinum packages. I am asking if you know how to upgrade to 10 without spending money on books I will not use. 

They'll eventually bring out a basic engine for the new engine that doesn't cost, minus the books and tools. But that's always after the launch. I think a few months after.

I am VERY, very, very disappointed with Faithlife. What a let down. This has to be the most underwhelmed new Logos in a long time and yet is the most expensive. $332.51 just to upgrade to the new features. 

Have they lost their mind?

My logos 9 starter upgrade was just $14.

David Medina said:

I am VERY, very, very disappointed with Faithlife. What a let down. This has to be the most underwhelmed new Logos in a long time and yet is the most expensive. $332.51 just to upgrade to the new features. 

Have they lost their mind?

My logos 9 starter upgrade was just $14.

I remember at the launch of 9, Gold 8 to Gold 9 was about 350. Same for Gold 10.

Good question. Thanks.

I was able to do a little digging which is not easy with the way Logos structures its upgrade.

Logos 10 Starter upgrade costs $51

Logos 9 Starter Upgrade cost me $14

After understanding the difference between the different upgrade levels I settle with the starter feature upgrade. I could have used the bronze level but I could not justify paying $110 more just for the new timeline feature. 

To be fair, it is easy to understand what each level includes if you know where to look for but it isn't really easy to know where to look and no one seemed to be able to tell me when I call and did chat with sales.

Yes, I think the Full Upgrade is your only option if you need all those features. Do call them because you can usually get the best deal that way.

I have Verbum Now subscription and you do get most of the same features. Although with the Logos 10 release one of the features not included is the Church History Themes dataset.

https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets?productIds=228476,228483

Carl Thomas said:

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature. 

Somehow certain features that people would think of as being part of the main software (update to new version is said to be free) are for some time already declared "features" and are part of "feature packages" for purchase...

I dumped Connect last year and moved to the L9 FFS since I needed to dramatically scale back on my services. I also dumped my Perks membership this year. 

I was a beta tester for L10 (I can finally say that now), so with my coupon, the L10 FFS was about $64 out of pocket. It was worth that, but I wouldn’t have paid substantially more than that for it.

Honestly, during the beta test, I’ve been a little disappointed in L10 overall. I feel like the feature set this time around was weak. It feels more like a refinement of L9 and a “Snow Leopard” release for L10. That might turn out to be a good thing if L10’s speed and stability live up to its promises. It doesn’t hurt to take a pause from major features from time to time and perform under-the-hood tweaks. The L10 packages are overpriced for my needs (I don’t need large packages of books at the moment and am more targeted in my book purchases).

I went with the FFS mainly because I’m getting an Apple Silicon Mac next year and want to be Apple Silicon ready. My biggest disappointment in L10 was no additional feature gap closing from Wordsearch. I was really hoping for at least Lessonmaker, ZipScript, or both. If L11 doesn’t have at least one of those, I may wait for L11 Basic.

On the flip side, I’ve already pre-ordered Accordance 14 since it looks pretty exciting. I was hoping for a little more of that excitement (or more) in L10.

I did enjoy the L10 launch video though. It reminded me of an Apple event and was plesant to watch. Good to see that Mark has upgraded to a full beard (which reminds me, I need to update my profile pic on here since I’ve had a beard for a little over a year now. Mine’s about the same length/style as Mark’s).

Carl Thomas said:

Worst comes to worst I cancel my subscription and I guess they roll me back to 9?

No, you would stay under L10, only you would loose the 10 FFS (Full Feature Sets) 

Carl Thomas said:

Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature. 

i bought the full feature set for 168.   I suppose that is because of dynamic pricing.  I did not want any more books.

Bob

Michel Pauw said:

Nathan Parker said:

Good to see that Mark has upgraded to a full beard (which reminds me, I need to update my profile pic on here

Please do so!

Done!

Carl Thomas said:

Nathan Parker said:

I dumped Connect last year and moved to the L9 FFS since I needed to dramatically scale back on my services. I also dumped my Perks membership this year. 

Weird that both of our comments got deleted. I went the faithlife route because it is cheaper over the next 3 years after which time there will probably be a major release. But who knows?

I can see all of our replies now. Sometimes the filters on here hide them for a bit.

I guess I am very blessed to be an old grouchy man.  I am not interested in new features in my Bible software.  I have been an avid Logos customer since 1991 or 1992 - almost from the start of Logos.  It has been a long time since new features motivated me to purchase upgrades.  It has always been the books that made the upgrades worthwhile for me.  I do not have as gigantic a library as some, but I do have over 9,200 Logos resources.  So, it is understandable that the packages do not excite me as they once did.  My library has grown over the decades until I pretty much have the top commentaries sets, language tools, and resources that I need.  I see very few resources in the upgrade packages that appeal me. 

There are books that would excite me to upgrade my Logos package. If one of the packages included Craig Keener's four volumes on Acts, that would have caught my interest.  I will probably be purchasing Keener's commentaries rather than upgrading to a Logos 10 package.

If Logos added the Bicentennial Edition of John Wesley's Works (Abingdon Press) to its resource library, that would motivate me.  (Yes, I am Methodist).)  If they added the New Cambridge Commentary set, that would appeal to me.  

But for me this is not an upgrade that excites me.  So, I will save some money.

Carl Thomas said:

Nathan Parker said:

If Logos 11 doesn’t have at least Lessonmaker or ZipScript or both (carried over from Wordsearch), it’ll likely be a hard pass for me.

I don't know what either of those are but they sound like features I could use.

ZipScript is similar to Copy Bible Verses, but worked even when Wordsearch was closed. Super handy.

Lessonmaker was a lesson building tool in Wordsearch (used to be standalone app). I wish Logos would take the features of their Lesson Builder from years ago, plus the features of Lessonmaker from Wordsearch, and integrate it all into a souped up version of the Sermon Editor that can handle lessons. That would be ideal.

UPDATE.

I initially purchase the starter upgrade for the features. I wasn't sure if I wanted or even needed all the features. 

But once I started to play with Logos 10 and studied the new features I do think this is one of the most significant upgrades in a while. And the software is FINALLY faster. 

So I called back to return my original upgrade to get the full update.  Just the new ability to add by printed book library is worth the upgrade. 

The significantly simplified search operation and snappier operation of the APP that makes using Logos a joy.

And, FINALLY, the new iPad App rocks. 

So, I was wrong, Logos 10 is a major, worthwhile, and great upgrade. 

I have the Platinum level from Logos 6 running Logos 9 so I upgraded to Logos 10 Reformed Gold upgrade. 

I don't know if this is of any help, but being shackled to the government for my total income, I have adhered to the following method of upgrading Logos.

I have the following:  Logos standard Silver and Messianic Silver.  When a new level of Logos comes out I do the following over a period of weeks or months as I can....

Upgrade the data sets only to the highest level offered - Diamond?  This gives me lots of new features of Logos 10 without all the books.
Upgrade Logos 10 Bronze - Yes, Bronze.- This takes some of the expense off of Silver.
Upgrade Messianic to Bronze 10 or Silver 10.
Upgrade Logos 10 to Silver.
Save my money and await Logos 11.

Gerry

Ron Ferguson said:

I'd have to purchase a package, which I'm not in a position to do.  

Connect gets you everything in the Logos 10 Full Feature Set.