Can you upgrade without buying features or books?

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  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    I dumped Connect last year and moved to the L9 FFS since I needed to dramatically scale back on my services. I also dumped my Perks membership this year. 

    Weird that both of our comments got deleted. I went the faithlife route because it is cheaper over the next 3 years after which time there will probably be a major release. But who knows?

    I can see all of our replies now. Sometimes the filters on here hide them for a bit.

    Dr. Nathan Parker

  • Carl Thomas
    Carl Thomas Member Posts: 71

    If Logos 11 doesn’t have at least Lessonmaker or ZipScript or both (carried over from Wordsearch), it’ll likely be a hard pass for me.

    I don't know what either of those are but they sound like features I could use.

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭

    I guess I am very blessed to be an old grouchy man.  I am not interested in new features in my Bible software.  I have been an avid Logos customer since 1991 or 1992 - almost from the start of Logos.  It has been a long time since new features motivated me to purchase upgrades.  It has always been the books that made the upgrades worthwhile for me.  I do not have as gigantic a library as some, but I do have over 9,200 Logos resources.  So, it is understandable that the packages do not excite me as they once did.  My library has grown over the decades until I pretty much have the top commentaries sets, language tools, and resources that I need.  I see very few resources in the upgrade packages that appeal me. 

    There are books that would excite me to upgrade my Logos package. If one of the packages included Craig Keener's four volumes on Acts, that would have caught my interest.  I will probably be purchasing Keener's commentaries rather than upgrading to a Logos 10 package.

    If Logos added the Bicentennial Edition of John Wesley's Works (Abingdon Press) to its resource library, that would motivate me.  (Yes, I am Methodist).)  If they added the New Cambridge Commentary set, that would appeal to me.  

    But for me this is not an upgrade that excites me.  So, I will save some money.

     


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the reply. Gonna think long and hard about $575 for that feature. 

    i bought the full feature set for 168.   I suppose that is because of dynamic pricing.  I did not want any more books.

    Bob

    I am just the opposite.  I do not want any more features.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    If Logos 11 doesn’t have at least Lessonmaker or ZipScript or both (carried over from Wordsearch), it’ll likely be a hard pass for me.

    I don't know what either of those are but they sound like features I could use.

    ZipScript is similar to Copy Bible Verses, but worked even when Wordsearch was closed. Super handy.

    Lessonmaker was a lesson building tool in Wordsearch (used to be standalone app). I wish Logos would take the features of their Lesson Builder from years ago, plus the features of Lessonmaker from Wordsearch, and integrate it all into a souped up version of the Sermon Editor that can handle lessons. That would be ideal.

    Dr. Nathan Parker

  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    I guess I am very blessed to be an old grouchy man.  I am not interested in new features in my Bible software.  I have been an avid Logos customer since 1991 or 1992 - almost from the start of Logos.  It has been a long time since new features motivated me to purchase upgrades.  It has always been the books that made the upgrades worthwhile for me.  I do not have as gigantic a library as some, but I do have over 9,200 Logos resources.  So, it is understandable that the packages do not excite me as they once did.  My library has grown over the decades until I pretty much have the top commentaries sets, language tools, and resources that I need.  I see very few resources in the upgrade packages that appeal me. 

    There are books that would excite me to upgrade my Logos package. If one of the packages included Craig Keener's four volumes on Acts, that would have caught my interest.  I will probably be purchasing Keener's commentaries rather than upgrading to a Logos 10 package.

    If Logos added the Bicentennial Edition of John Wesley's Works (Abingdon Press) to its resource library, that would motivate me.  (Yes, I am Methodist).)  If they added the New Cambridge Commentary set, that would appeal to me.  

    But for me this is not an upgrade that excites me.  So, I will save some money.

    I mainly upgraded to ensure I had full Apple Silicon Support, but I agree I don’t need too many features in my Bible software. I’m overall disappointed in this upgrade, and if I couldn’t have gotten the FFS for less than $100 like I did, it would have been a hard pass for me.

    I also have a ton of books and are more targeted in what I buy now.

    What I really want is for Logos to close the Wordsearch feature gap: IVS, ZipScript, Lessonmaker, etc. I’ve already phased out Wordsearch since it doesn’t run on my Mac, and having those remaining features would be useful.

    Dr. Nathan Parker

  • David Medina
    David Medina Member Posts: 169

    UPDATE.

    I initially purchase the starter upgrade for the features. I wasn't sure if I wanted or even needed all the features. 

    But once I started to play with Logos 10 and studied the new features I do think this is one of the most significant upgrades in a while. And the software is FINALLY faster. 

    So I called back to return my original upgrade to get the full update.  Just the new ability to add by printed book library is worth the upgrade. 

    The significantly simplified search operation and snappier operation of the APP that makes using Logos a joy.

    And, FINALLY, the new iPad App rocks. 

    So, I was wrong, Logos 10 is a major, worthwhile, and great upgrade. 

    I have the Platinum level from Logos 6 running Logos 9 so I upgraded to Logos 10 Reformed Gold upgrade. 

  • Bill Cook
    Bill Cook Member Posts: 494

    On the flip side, I’ve already pre-ordered Accordance 14 since it looks pretty exciting. I was hoping for a little more of that excitement (or more) in L10.

    I have tried Accordance before. I guess I am too dense but I cannot understand its paradigm of operation - I can't make sense of how to use it. Nothing works the way I would expect. Logos is much more intuitive for me.

  • Carl Thomas
    Carl Thomas Member Posts: 71

    On the flip side, I’ve already pre-ordered Accordance 14 since it looks pretty exciting. I was hoping for a little more of that excitement (or more) in L10.

    I have tried Accordance before. I guess I am too dense but I cannot understand its paradigm of operation - I can't make sense of how to use it. Nothing works the way I would expect. Logos is much more intuitive for me.

    I always understood it was best for studying in original languages. I am happy with my Faithlife Connect subscription

  • Nathan Parker
    Nathan Parker Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    I learned Accordance for my biblical language studies since both of my biblical language professors used Accordance, and I needed to train on the same tools they use. The rest of my seminary professors used Logos or Wordsearch (at the time) I have a large library in both Accordance and Logos, and I’m extensively trained on both. My larger library is with Logos, but I have cross-graded some of my stuff into Accordance.

    While I’ve used Logos as my primary Bible study app for years, honestly, I’ve been using Accordance more as primary and Logos for stuff that I can’t get in Accordance. I can whip out Accordance and get to and quickly search the Bible faster than I can even get Logos to open. Accordance also shines on less-than-optimal hardware (I usually have to invest multi-thousands of dollars in a system that runs Logos well). Accordance 3D Atlas and all their media content is fantastic (I wish Logos would bring back their 3D Bible Atlas, but integrated into the new Atlas). I still used Logos Timeline more than Accordance since I was used to it more.

    The other biggie for me has been support. Accordance Support has been fantastic. Logos Tech Support has really lagged during all the Faithlife church stuff. The reps seem way overworked and have to get us off the phone quickly so they can handle the influx of stuff. Logos decline in support is one of the main reasons I cancelled all of my Faithlife subscriptions and scaled back on purchases with Logos (another was I needed to scale back on services overall, but some I could have budgeted). I’m hoping with the changes in Faithlife’s strategic direction that less pressure on support reps to focus more on support just for Logos Bible Software becomes a high priority.

    Dr. Nathan Parker

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,431

    Can you upgrade without buying features or books?

    Not at present Nathan. There is usually an option to upgrade the engine some months after the release of a new version.

    I would look at subscribing to Connect for a while and seeing which Features you actually use. It will give you the chance to evaluate L10 and see if the it is worth the candle.

    tootle pip

    Mike

    How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS

  • Carl Thomas
    Carl Thomas Member Posts: 71

    Worst comes to worst I cancel my subscription and I guess they roll me back to 9?

    No, you would stay under L10, only you would loose the 10 FFS (Full Feature Sets) 

    This morning it reverted me to 9 after my 10 trial.

  • Gerald P. Swetsky
    Gerald P. Swetsky Member Posts: 296

    I don't know if this is of any help, but being shackled to the government for my total income, I have adhered to the following method of upgrading Logos.

    I have the following:  Logos standard Silver and Messianic Silver.  When a new level of Logos comes out I do the following over a period of weeks or months as I can....

    Upgrade the data sets only to the highest level offered - Diamond?  This gives me lots of new features of Logos 10 without all the books.
    Upgrade Logos 10 Bronze - Yes, Bronze.- This takes some of the expense off of Silver.
    Upgrade Messianic to Bronze 10 or Silver 10.
    Upgrade Logos 10 to Silver.
    Save my money and await Logos 11. :)

    Gerry

  • Ron Ferguson
    Ron Ferguson Member Posts: 88 ✭✭

    Mike.......I took your advice and checked into signing up for FL Connect.  It says it has full features but when I check down the list of features the Draw on screen mobile isn't a feature you get with Connect.  That is one of the features I really wanted, so unless they just forgot to list that feature, I'd have to purchase a package, which I'm not in a position to do.  

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    I'd have to purchase a package, which I'm not in a position to do.  

    Connect gets you everything in the Logos 10 Full Feature Set.

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,431

    when I check down the list of features the Draw on screen mobile isn't a feature you get with Connect.  That is one of the features I really wanted,

    I guess a phone call to Customer Service or a chat with an online agent is called for.

    tootle pip

    Mike

    How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS