Official: Thank you for your feedback on the next version of Logos
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Sean, MJ:
Perhaps something like Phil suggested above -
Phil Gons (Logos) said:We're still finalizing the details, but we're likely to have four tiers:
Tier 1 focused on personal/family use and oriented toward general lay users
Tier 2 focused on ministry use and oriented toward teachers and leaders
Tier 3 focused on pastoral use and oriented toward preachers/clergy
Tier 4 focused on academic use and oriented toward scholarship
The tiers will likely stack and get more expensive as you move up.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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I'm currently using the trial of L-Pro and plan to continue with the subscription for the time being. I like the idea of incorporating AI in specific ways. My biggest concern is not access to resources and features that I have already purchased (more accurately, purchased the licenses for). I wonder what the subscription cost will be once this is fully rolled out. I've seen vague comments about tiered subscriptions, but nothing even near concrete. I don't like the though of getting accustomed to all the new features for $9.99 per month and then finding that I have to pay $19.99 per month (or even $12.99 per month) to continue having access.
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Ive invested heavily in Logos, and purchased many of the top academic resources already. I would love access with the subscription to the 4th tier, but in also hopbig that I’m not penalized since I own already many of the resources that will likely be included in T4.
Have you guys thought about implementing dynamic pricing on subscriptions? Give the features a value, let’s say 50%, and the books another 50%. The more books you own out of the included ones, the less you pay on a monthly basis.
Pedro
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Thanks for your feedback, Hans.
Hans van den Herik said:Chat GTP etc. are banned at our university. Students must conduct independent research and find their own way into the research field. European regulations are being drafted to ensure this.
Wow. That seems shortsighted to me and destined for failure. It reminds me of conversations happening 15–20 years ago in Greek and Hebrew programs about not allowing students to use Logos until they'd memorized all the building blocks of the language. Most have now recognized that embracing technological advances and teaching students how to use them responsibly is the better path forward. IMO, the same is true with generative AI. Generative AI done right (i.e., citing its sources and encouraging digging deeper) is just a really useful information retrieval tool, not an information replacement tool. If students are still required to responsibly cite their sources, generative AI (done right) is really just an advanced kind of smart search with built-in summarization.
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I have begun my subscription and really like the results I am seeing. One question that comes to me appeared when I was perusing 'Popular Quotes.' The quotes were fabulous and when I checked a few of the sources I discovered that they were from resources that I didn't own. That's fine, I am offered the ability to buy them at the store, so it's a good selling tool. My question goes to the delimitation of sources during a Smart Search. Do you limit the automated search to my owned resources, or does this smart search go beyond what I own?
Thanks for all the good work.
Phil
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I thought the free period was to be 30 days. My subscription is showing only 7 days. I have Logos Connect for the $99.
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Phil Theis said:
My question goes to the delimitation of sources during a Smart Search. Do you limit the automated search to my owned resources, or does this smart search go beyond what I own?
In the All Search tab, we search all resources. In the Books search tab, you can control what gets searched.
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Steve Shelton said:
I thought the free period was to be 30 days. My subscription is showing only 7 days. I have Logos Connect for the $99.
The team is doing some testing to try to find the optimum trial length for maximizing conversion from free trial to paying subscriber. You must have been the in 7-day trial cohort.
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Steve Shelton said:
I thought the free period was to be 30 days. My subscription is showing only 7 days. I have Logos Connect for the $99.
A few different trial periods were offered. The trial period that was offered to you was displayed on the landing page and again during checkout.
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GregW said:
- I trust the folks at Logos that I've interacted with, and have observed since 2009 how they do seek to put things right when they go wrong, and I rather resent the "hermeneutic of suspicion" that often prevails when these announcements are made. I did cancel my Logos Now subscription when I felt it ceased to offer me value. I also bought the Libronix Sermon File add-in that one user repeatedly brings up, but also recognise we now have something far better than that. Whilst a Private Equity buyout was a concern at the time, they protect their investment by growing the customer base, and a younger market is far more attuned to the direction they are going. I know issues like the EEC saga rightly concern some users, but I don't think that things like handouts or Faithlife Assistant can really be used to demonstrate bad faith.
Since I am the user that "repeatly" mentions the Sermon File Addin.... The reason I do so is because many users REPEATEDLY tout Logos honoring their promises and guarantees which is simply not true. There are features that have been discontinued like said addin and replaced with a different feature that forced users to change their way of preparing Sermons to even come close to the same use.
There were other features from Libronix that used to exist in a list that I could not find that were never brought over - so The Sermon File Addin and any other features are NOT available forever as Logos promotes their features to be.... The Libronix engine was deprecated and no longer supported - we have the new engine but the continuity that is promoted is not always there!
You make the declaration that we have something better - that is your opinion, not definitive - as other users have commented about not using the the Sermon Editor because they prefer using a Word document or similar, rather than being forced into Logos' vision of Sermon Prep. So yes, this user will "repeatedly" acknowledge that I do NOT have the feature(s) that I used and no longer have access to use - and have not benefitted from the "upgraded" version that fits the Logos team's view of Sermon Prep....
There is also the misleading promotion of these changes that Subscription models are the only sustainable option - yet as I and others point out - features created, implemented into the engine, require no third party payment (AI) and only require a license to be activated in a users engine not being made available for purchase is nothing more than a forced subscription for access to improved function.
Many point towards secular models like Microsoft which is apples and oranges - Microsoft never promised me continual access and support for my purchases, nor does Microsoft imply that they promote Christ and the Gospel - so more ethical business accumen is expected from Logos.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Perfect answer, thank you Phil!
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Phil Gons (Logos) said:Nathanael King said:
You said we will not lose existing feature sets as you move towards subscriptions. Would that include existing feature sets that are modified/improved? For example, will we still have a robust search feature as smart search becomes more prominent? That's a key concern. I don't just want access to my library; I want robust ways to use my library without being stuck on an out-of-date version.
Generally, substantial improvements we make to existing features are separately gated and licensed. Occasionally, smaller improvements are made available to existing customers. It depends on how significant and expensive the update is.
You won't be stuck on an out-of-date version. You'll still be on the latest version of the software, but some feature improvements (along with new features) will be gated behind new licenses. Your existing licenses and features will be supported and continue to work well.
And this is one of the word play scenarios that I and others are concerned about..... The feature improvements being behind a new license.... That is just another way of saying that we will be eventually forced into a subscription if the mass of users who have made known they would prefer to own their features are ignored.
Why do I protest this so passionately? Look at the Logos 10 Features Set....
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Plus Other New Features
Dozens of tools and features included in the Full Feature Upgrade
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Simple Search Syntax
Pinpoint exactly what you’re looking for without memorizing search syntax.
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Popular Quotations
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Sermon Import
Transfer all your sermon outlines and manuscripts from Microsoft Word directly into Logos so you can find your past work quickly.
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Enhanced Favorites
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Wordplay in the Bible
That Sermon Import feature is listed as "NEW" - that is the function I had with the Sermon File Addin that was taken away.....
So AGAIN - why repeatedly bring things up - because they are ignored, looked past and many users that have been around are concerned we might be in for another misleading campaign - but.... the grace we already extended for these past failures to adhere to a promised model of business and continued support as customers is ignored by some on these forums and attitudes that calling out such failures is not being gracious....
Payiing for the same feature access that was deprecated is not good business, forcing subscriptions for features that could easily be made available as in the past is also not welcoming to a large portion of long time customers based on forum feedback - it really makes no sense at all to not acknowledge that features created and implemented into the engine that require no ongoing payment like AI can not be available to all users whether subscription or purchase. If a user wants to subscribe they can, if not purchasing is still revenue, if the purchaser wants access to the per use features like AI then yes, a subscription is obvious.... But not for feature not requiring such
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Steve Shelton said:
I thought the free period was to be 30 days. My subscription is showing only 7 days. I have Logos Connect for the $99.
A few different trial periods were offered. The trial period that was offered to you was displayed on the landing page and again during checkout.
Thanks for the quick reply
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Frank Sauer said:
So AGAIN - why repeatedly bring things up - because they are ignored, looked past and many users that have been around are concerned we might be in for another misleading campaign - but.... the grace we already extended for these past failures to adhere to a promised model of business and continued support as customers is ignored by some on these forums and attitudes that calling out such failures is not being gracious....
I can see your points. I also think the 'devil in the details' will be a problem, later on. Often usability problems get put on the 'later' list, until the feature can get several fixes ... and gated since a 'substantial' improvement. Like, maybe dark switching.
Another devil-details is gifting/willing ones Logos. Is the account stripped of features? I don't even know current practice.
We probably won't know anything for another 6 months. If FL is composed of normal humanity, most of their plan is already in place ... a few changes here and there. As a minimum, their previous business model was slowly dieing. Even though I won't subscribe (I'm also part of humanity, deciding-wise), I'd assume their plan needs to work ... not a good plan B available.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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This sounds better 👍😁👌 Thanks, Mark!
DAL
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Phil Gons (Logos) said:
We're still finalizing the details, but we're likely to have four tiers:
- Tier 1 focused on personal/family use and oriented toward general lay users
- Tier 2 focused on ministry use and oriented toward teachers and leaders
- Tier 3 focused on pastoral use and oriented toward preachers/clergy
- Tier 4 focused on academic use and oriented toward scholarship
The tiers will likely stack and get more expensive as you move up.
I'm happy in general with the direction of all of this, but I wanted to get clarification on one thing in this thread.
I would be part of the target audience for Tier 4, which is going to be the most expensive tier.
My biggest concern is:
At this point, I already own all feature sets and every book in Logos Pro, so I am getting a discount and a $9.99 monthly charge.
If books are going to be progressively stacked along with the feature sets, and I already own all of the books and resources from all of the tiers, then will I still receive a discount for the books I already own (my question is not concerning features, as I understand the cost inolved in the new features)?
OR
Are we definitely only paying for the features, with the only books being included those necessary for functionality?
That would be my only concern. If I end up paying the same for a large library of academic books that I already own as someone who doesn't own them, then that would mean I am renting books which I've already purchased, and academic books are the most expensive offered.
I think from previous discussion that the answer would be that we are only paying for features, and the only books included would be those necesarry to make the features fully functional, but I think clarification on that here would be helpful.
For instance, if I pay hundreds of dollars for the Lexham Research Commentaries, which I love by the way, and they end up offered as part of the rental of Logos Academic, then that might be hard to take.
As I'm kind of thinking (stream of consciousness) through though, I guess it wouldn't be much different than someone who purchased, say the LRC for example at launch, and then having them being offered in a base package later on at a huge discount. I wouldn't be upset by that, so I guess just some thoughts on that would be helpful.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Phil Gons (Logos) said:
- Tier 1 focused on personal/family use and oriented toward general lay users
- Tier 2 focused on ministry use and oriented toward teachers and leaders
- Tier 3 focused on pastoral use and oriented toward preachers/clergy
- Tier 4 focused on academic use and oriented toward scholarship
I'm trying to understand this. To be honest, I don't understand the need for different tiers. Are these tiers essentially optional resource add-ons to the base subscription of personal/family that primarily contains "free" resources (as explained in the previous thread)? I can't imagine different tiers would be needed for features. I thought the basic idea of the subscription is that new updates would be regularly rolled out to all subscribers. It seems unnecessarily complex if certain feature updates are only rolled out to some subscribers and not others. If these tiers are only resource-related, there would be no need for an academic who already owns all the resources he/she needs to subscribe beyond the personal/family level, which seems fair considering the sizeable investment in resources already made. Clarification on this topic would be much appreciated. Thank you!
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Clarification on this topic would be much appreciated. Thank you!
Aaron, you're not thinking 'Faithlife-logic'. The tiers REDUCE the rent you'd be charged for features you'll never use (along with books, ditto).
How often do you use 'propositional outlines'?? Or all those pesky taggings that people repeatedly ask ... what's that (you do know proparoxytone accents, I assume)? Assertive speech acts, anyone?
More seriously, it's hard to predict who would pay for what ,.. and for how long. A month of academic need? Students aren't known for wealth. A lot of subscription churn. I'm just glad Logos already has the bulk of academic features ... I can't imagine academic subscription marginal revenue would fund much.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB, perhaps you're right. And I don't have a problem with them offering different features to different tiers. I have just not heard them officially suggest this yet. As of now, all I have heard suggested is that all new feature updates would be rolled out to all subscribers. Perhaps this is the plan. Perhaps not. This is why I requested clarification.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
What are your suggestions?
I can't speak for scooter, but clearly one of his main suggestions is to not create 'haves' and 'have-nots' within the Logos subculture, even unintentionally.
I can support that, though it may be inevitable based on the model being proposed.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Frank Sauer said:
another way of saying that we will be eventually forced into a subscription if the mass of users who have made known they would prefer to own their features are ignored
This is exactly what I tried to say on the megathread only I didn't say it quite as well as you have here.
In spite of all the (generous) promises, this is a real concern. It's not a matter of not trusting the Logos folks (as Phil asked in response to my post on the other thread); it's a matter of having enough life experiences in general and with Logos to know the Law of Unintended Consequences is real and will certainly bite some of us if Mark's promises can't be honored for some (probably very legitimate) reason.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Thank you so much for your feedback on our announcement that we’ll be launching the next version of Logos as a subscription. We’ve had hundreds of comments and questions, and every single one is valuable to us.
Thank you, Mark Barnes and Phil Gons, for the time and effort you spend to listen to each one of us, where there are so much diversities of contexts and suggestions. I am no exception. I am mainly a researcher in a variety of contexts, anywhere from a lay church level, to pastoral, to mission, to organisational, to theological and to academic. I relate across formal, informal and nonformal theological education. I support a wide ranging theological education association with multiple partners that encompasses the 2/3rds world, from Turkey to New Zealand.
I have benefitted from, and need Logos' great breath and depth at all levels.
I am on an early iteration of Faithlife Connect (previously Logos Now) and a migrant from WORDSearch and Bibleworks. I understand that my subscription is rather unique and I am grateful that Faithlife/Logos has maintained the terms for me. For US$99 (current Connect subscriber) and US$100 (WORDSearch perks which enjoys a return US$100 credits) annually I get the following:
- ongoing updates and upgrades to the latest Logos feature sets* (this is crucial for what I do)
- a total of six eBooks monthly from faithlife classics(3 each from both subscription plans)
- 2 mobile ed courses annually at 180 day temporary licence
- 25% off Lexham resource per month
- Special deals on selected resources
- 2% return the following year on what I purchased
- Faithlife TV (which I do watch and have benefitted from!)
I am a supporter of AI and can see the value it will eventually add in time to come after a period of birthing pains. I am willing to continue the subcription and request that:
- There is a way not to pigeon hole the options into any kind of tier (the current arrangement I have is very suitable)
- To include the AI options with the current updates and upgrades I get
- I can live with a downsizing of the remaining options such as having 2 eBooks monthly as opposed to 6, 1 mobile ed course per year
I have over 9,000 resources. If the Lord were to ever hold me accountable for what I have and know from these extensive embarrassing riches of resources, I shall be hardpressed to do so. His grace is indeed sufficient, and His grace through Logos has been immense. I cannot tell you how grateful I am, and how many parties I have been able to help. With the nascent AI technology, I am beginning and will be able to do much more.
I thank you for your kind attention, and I thank our gracious God for you.
in Christ,
Jeannie Koh
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Hans van den Herik said:
1. Regarding the use of AI. E.g. Chat GTP etc. are banned at our university. Students must conduct independent research and find their own way into the research field. European regulations are being drafted to ensure this.
This will change at your university very soon.
As a University Provost, I have noticed a significant shift from "fight it" to "embrace it". University graduates are expected to know how to ethically use GenAI. What this means for assignments, is still not clear. But we cannot ban GenAI, nor penalize suspected use of GenAI as detection tools have many false positives.
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Thanks for the update! I am curious as to how this will turn out!
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MJ. Smith said:Christopher Esget said:
The sermon builder is geared toward a certain kind of preaching that is very divergent from my tradition.
How should sermon builder work to support your tradition? You are not alone in this complaint.
The last time I tried to use the sermon builder (it's been awhile, so perhaps this has changed, or I am missing something - always possible!), it seemed the main feature was preparing slides, and the newest feature is preparing handout questions using AI.
We are not focused on multimedia presentations, or handing out outlines/questions. The sermon for us is not primarily didactic, but proclamation/paraenesis. The sermon is fundamentally part of the liturgy. My own preparation is focused on understanding the Biblical text and what the Fathers said about it, along with my own confessional (Lutheran) tradition.
Pastor, Immanuel Evangelical-Lutheran Church (LCMS), Alexandria, VA
Vice President, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (East-Southeast Region)
Author of (Dis)ordered: Lies about Human Nature and the Truth That Sets Us Free
Personal website: Esgetology
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MJ. Smith said:Sean said:
- Average (for want of a better term) casual student of the Bible--ebooks and videos might be appropriate here
- Pastors (heavy on the sermon help tools)
- Academic (heavy on research tools & resources--NOT NECESSARILY AI)
I object
- this list assumes that sermons are the primary function of pastors ignoring their role in faith formation, counseling, ecumenical issues, social justice ... etc. It also ignore the large number of paid, non-ordained staff and lay volunteers that keep worship, Sunday School, prayer trees, and faith formation moving forward.This is a good point. As a pastor, besides preaching the top uses for Logos for me are teaching adult courses on the Scriptures, and theology courses in our parochial school. I've also been using Logos to mine devotional and prayer resources for parishioners.
Pastor, Immanuel Evangelical-Lutheran Church (LCMS), Alexandria, VA
Vice President, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (East-Southeast Region)
Author of (Dis)ordered: Lies about Human Nature and the Truth That Sets Us Free
Personal website: Esgetology
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Thanks for the update Mark. Paying a subscription for software is a "new wrinkle" for a lot of folks, myself included.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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What about doing dynamic pricing on the subscription, based on how many of the resources included with it you already own?
if features are valued at 50%, and the 400 resources at another 50% (for example), and I own half of the resources included with the sub already, I would only have to pay 75% of the subscription.
Nobody has thought of this?
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Pedro Pozo said:
What about doing dynamic pricing on the subscription, based on how many of the resources included with it you already own?
if features are valued at 50%, and the 400 resources at another 50% (for example), and I own half of the resources included with the sub already, I would only have to pay 75% of the subscription.
Mark engages with this at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221543/1289158.aspx#1289158 and https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221543/1289209.aspx#1289209
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I see. That makes sense.
Im wondering which of the tiers is the current “Logos Pro”.
I am ok moving forward with $10/month
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Pedro Pozo said:
Im wondering which of the tiers is the current “Logos Pro”.
I believe it's around tier three of the probably four tiers - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221744/1291216.aspx#1291216
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Aaron Hamilton said:
To be honest, I don't understand the need for different tiers.
Having different configurations at different tiers allows users who don't need our most powerful features to get a simpler application at a lower price.
We've always offered different feature configurations for different base packages and use cases. Currently, we offer nine different configurations: Fundamentals, Starter, Bronze, Silver, Full, Counseling, Disciple, Preaching Suite, and Academic. Plus, some Connect tiers have their own configuration.
So, four tiers represent a simplification of our current strategy.
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Phil Gons (Logos) said:
Tier 2 focused on ministry use and oriented toward teachers and leaders
My choice would be this one . I hope there would be a fair and affordable price.
Blessings in Christ.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Having different configurations at different tiers allows users who don't need our most powerful features to get a simpler application at a lower price.
I appreciate this answer; thank you. My previous understanding was that a subscription would result in immediate updates to all features. But I see now that this thinking was flawed. If I am understanding you correctly, a subscription would result in immediate updates only to the features one is subscribing to, but not all features. This does makes sense and is aligned with how the packages have been sold in the past.
I'm sure you all have tons of decisions to make regarding how all of this will be packaged and what options will be offered. In some ways it may feel like an impossible task, as pleasing everyone is surely to be impossible. In an ideal world, I would prefer to have a low monthly subscription and then purchase extra features as they become available for sale. I suppose this would look like subscribing for example at the "starter" level, hence locking in a low monthly subscription, and then making a purchase of the delayed "full" feature sets as they become available.
Thank you for your thoughts and consideration. I genuinely appreciate and value this dialogue.
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This is my first post on the topic of the new preview version of Logos. I started with Logos 1, but didn't get interested in computer bible study until Libronix. It was really hot! I'm now over 86 and ready to hang it up. I'm struggling with trying to keep up with all the tools and how to use them. I'm pretty much retired from all church ministry activities, except taking our great granddaughters to Sunday School and Awana. I almost didn't upgrade to L 10, but it seemed like a good place to end my upgrades and feature sets. I've filled out my commentary sets during MM and that should be enough to keep me occupied during my bible studies, prayer, and devotionals. So, goodbye Logos upgrades. I wish you long life and fruitful ministres. It's been many fruitful years growing with you. I've really appreciated all the help you've been and will continue to be as I use my tried and true L 10. In Christ, Dale E Heath.
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Dale E Heath said:
I'm now over 86 and ready to hang it up.
Dale, I really appreciate your comment. Caleb was 85 and still wanting more (Joshua 14:10). You sure you don't want AI? [:)]
May God bless you and your family.
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Dale E Heath said:
I'm now over 86 and ready to hang it up
Thanks, Dale, for telling us this. May God richly bless you and your family.
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I hope Logos will consider allowing multiple instances of Logos to be run for people that have multiple monitors.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
I hope Logos will consider allowing multiple instances of Logos to be run for people that have multiple monitors.
Why would you want multiple instances of Logos running with multiple monitors? You can have multiple Logos windows open with different things displayed in each window, one on each monitor, or at least that's how I do it.
I ask this purely because I don't know...but is there some advantage to having multiple instances of a single program running versus multiple windows of the same program running?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Here's how I understand it. I see three separate licenses in the "About Logos" box.
Software: 31.3.32
Feature Set: Logos Cloud
Base System Package: Logos 10 Library.
Software represents the "free" version of the software that Logos is committing to maintain with OS compatibility fixes (at a minimum).
Feature set includes previously purchased features and subscription services. Most (all?) new features will reside here.
Base System represents resources that have been purchased and will remain accessible thru all versions of the software.
Gerald
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Phil Gons (Logos) said:
We're still finalizing the details, but we're likely to have four tiers:
- Tier 1 focused on personal/family use and oriented toward general lay users
- Tier 2 focused on ministry use and oriented toward teachers and leaders
- Tier 3 focused on pastoral use and oriented toward preachers/clergy
- Tier 4 focused on academic use and oriented toward scholarship
The tiers will likely stack and get more expensive as you move up.
I think this is a great idea. Tier 2 will probably be the sweet spot for me.
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xnman said:
I hope Logos will consider allowing multiple instances of Logos to be run for people that have multiple monitors.
I doubt that will happen, but you can run Verbum and Logos side by side.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:xnman said:
I hope Logos will consider allowing multiple instances of Logos to be run for people that have multiple monitors.
I doubt that will happen, but you can run Verbum and Logos side by side.
Thanks Dave... I think you're right, sad to say, If I use Verbum and Logos the searches would have different results wouldn't they? (Verbum would have Catholic results in them, right?)
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
If I use Verbum and Logos the searches would have different results wouldn't they? (Verbum would have Catholic results in them, right?)
No, the search yields the same results in Logos and Verbum - I've run the two in parallel for many years, using one as my beta platform. As for "Catholic results", an accurate answer explaining how there is no distinction in the search between "accurate result", "Catholic result", "Eastern Orthodox result", "progressive Lutheran result", and "my neighbor's home church result" is far too long to be appropriate in the forums. Searches provide results that are only as biased or neutral as your question and your resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Can someone pin the links to the MP Seminars videos on the new Logos Pro features? I've searched around on the MP Seminars website. I couldn't find them.
The 30 Day Free Trial for Logos Pro setup well for me (so the website is working great there). Smart Search is working well (and surfacing for me content from my library that I would expect AI search to find). So far it's finding everything I've asked it. Summarize is also working well for me (I'm only "depressed" that I didn't have it when I studied for my PhD comp exam, I had to "summarize everything" the hard way). Since I'm not a pastor, I haven't done much with the AI tools for illustrations or discussion questions, but I did throw some sermon manuscripts into sermon builder I wrote during my M Div to see how well it'd do, and it did show some useful content. It looks like my Free Trial added some books that aren't on the list of included books with Pro, but they look interesting. If you could throw in a free Chick-Fil-A Spicy Deluxe per month, that would be a nice perk. :-)
I would like to see an Apple-esque option where someone could buy the L11 FFS then get two or three months free of the AI features, then if they want to keep them after the trial, subscribe (kind of like how Apple has thrown in a few months free of Apple TV+ or Apple Fitness+ with the purchase of new Apple hardware).
Dr. Nathan Parker
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You can find it under the "What's New in Logos 10" ongoing series of videos.
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Nathan Parker said:
If you could throw in a free Chick-Fil-A Spicy Deluxe per month, that would be a nice perk. :-)
This would be dangerous for me. My Chick-Fil-A go-to menu item.
Nathan Parker said:I would like to see an Apple-esque option where someone could buy the L11 FFS then get two or three months free of the AI features, then if they want to keep them after the trial, subscribe
This is not a bad idea. This may be a good way to help transition some people to the subscription model without it feeling like such a big risk or change for them.
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RE Roy: Thanks!
RE Kiyah: Mine too! :-)
Dr. Nathan Parker
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xnman said:
I hope Logos will consider allowing multiple instances of Logos to be run for people that have multiple monitors.
Were you aware that you can open up multiple Logos windows by clicking on "Float this panel" under the triple dots in any resource? (Or press CNTRL+F11). That resource is now a separate window, and you can drag that to another monitor. You can then open more books to that same window. For fun, you can open up 10 different commentaries on 3 different monitors, link them all to your Bible and watch them all scroll as you move down the page. It certainly looks impressive :-)
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My personal request would be to include videos for each tier and each feature, being in-depth guides about how to use each feature for each target audience.
Like an MP Seminars but included in the subscription.
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